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People from Achaea

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The result of the discussion was: merge, except not Category:People from Kleitoria. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:18, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT. This concerns categorization by 3rd and 4th level administrative divisions of Greece, leading to a endless series of single-article or few-article categories. The proposal is to merge all to 2nd level administrative division, except cities and larger towns, so in this case we keep subcategories for: Patras (171,000 people), Aigio (26,000 people) and Kalavryta (6,000 people). Marcocapelle (talk) 20:54, 7 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Made exception based on update below that Category:People from Kleitoria reached 5 articles. - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:49, 15 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Please stop lying. Most of these articles were in the category for half a year now, and weren't added during the nomination. The others were recently added by me, as I indicated above ("now has 5 articles"), and it's proof that these categories do actually grow quite fast. You also emptied Category:People from Boeotia, which was populated mostly by articles from the recently upmerged categories. If you have a problem with "People from" categories and the way articles are added in them in general, please bring it up in an actual discussion, and don't remove targeted articles to achieve a desired result in a nomination.
Now, about the specifics: The article you mention is indeed a stub, and you can see how it can be expanded by translating from the Greek Wikipedia. I don't see how this is relevant. I also don't know where you found that story about the Ottoman Empire or if you made it up, but I have no idea what you are talking about. Mazeika is an old name for Kleitoria. Both names are Greek. --Antondimak (talk) 22:16, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Did you hope we wouldn't click on the links? The last one was a random edit, not about Kleitoria and unrelated to what you were writing. As I said the majority of articles, 3 of them, were there since August. --Antondimak (talk) 07:08, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Underpopulated Stub Categories

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The result of the discussion was: delete those with fewer than 30 articles in it. I have upmerged the contents of the deleted ones to the appropriate parent categories (usually "FOOian football biography stubs" and "CONTINENT women's football biography stubs"). Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:54, 21 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 12:51, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:United States Army Air Service pilots of World War I

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The result of the discussion was: do not rename. There was support for creating Category:United States Army Air Service personnel of World War I as a parent category. I won't do that as part of this close, but it can be done by any editor. Good Ol’factory (talk) 06:14, 15 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Not all of the people in this category actually were pilots. We should change it to "personnel" to be more inclusive with the members of the category. Lettlerhello • contribs 15:42, 7 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Hong Kong people of Fujianese descent

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:21, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: delete, non-defining (some articles do even not mention Fujian descent) and trivial intersection. Fujian and Guangdong are provinces of China relatively close to Hong Kong, so this is comparable to Category:Washington DC people of North Carolinian descent. The three next categories are about cities in Guangdong. Finally, Xinhui District and Shunde District are districts of cities in Guangdong. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:48, 7 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I will agree that some of these categories should be deleted, however I ask that you and other users please stop using misleading false equivalencies in your arguments. See Ancestral home (China) and Chinese kin for an overview on how Chinese ancestral identity is incorporated in a way that makes it distinct from western conceptions of place and origin. Additionally, Hong Kong was a separate country (British Overseas Territories) for many years, and today retains a separate passport, another reason why this analogy is not apt. (I've brought up this notion with this user in the past, and he appears to continue to ignore this evidence). Also, the issue of certain articles not citing a source that the person belongs in the category is an issue with the article itself and not one for CFD (applies to the other HK descent discussion as well).--Prisencolin (talk) 04:47, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hong Kong people of Fujianese descent now exists as a standalone article. It's just a stub but unless it's deleted through the deletion process I don't see how the associated category can't exist per WP:EGRS as well as WP:NOTDUPE: "Dedicated group-subject subcategories, such as Category:LGBT writers or Category:African-American musicians, should be created only where that combination is itself recognized as a distinct and unique cultural topic in its own right. If a substantial and encyclopedic head article (not just a list) cannot be written for such a category, then the category should not be created. Please note that this does not mean that the head article must already exist before a category can be created, but that it must at least be possible to create one."--Prisencolin (talk) 03:41, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Feel free to start subsections in the discussion, for every nominated category separately. There are only six, so subsections will work out fine. The word "trivial" originates from WP:TRIVIALCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:51, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • The burden is on the nominator to prove why the topics should be bundled together. Otherwise you are misleading others into assuming they are fundamentally the same, and you should know for the fact that the two users who have already cast a vote will vote for deletion no matter what. WP:IDL admonishes against labeling something is "trivial" in a discussion. On a random aside I put up WP:TRIVIAL for RFD as I wasn't sure where it would point me.--Prisencolin (talk) 04:00, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
If a group nomination has categories that are not similar in a single nomination, the CFD process normally takes care of itself with a "no consensus" result. That then puts the burden of future smaller nomininations on the original submitter. - RevelationDirect (talk) 18:06, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People convicted of carrying a concealed weapon

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:45, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEF. User:Namiba 14:13, 7 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It does seem to be WP:SMALLCAT as well. (only 2 entries)--Prisencolin (talk) 06:10, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Mayors of places in Armenia

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:44, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, only 1 article in the categories of Goris and Gymri. After these two mergers Category:Mayors by city in Armenia is left with only one subcategory (for Yerevan), hence the third nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:54, 7 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People associated with the International Committee on Intellectual Cooperation

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The result of the discussion was: delete. For those who wish to listify, a list of the category contents is found on the talk page. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:43, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: As per WP:OCASSOC. Kj cheetham (talk) 10:50, 7 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:P. LEAGUE+

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:35, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: "League", although stylized as "LEAGUE", should be lowercased per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (capitalization). --Neo-Jay (talk) 09:59, 7 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The official name is P. LEAGUE+. (all caps ,proper name) --寒吉 (talk) 06:55, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"LEAGUE" is just a stylized version. Even if it is the official stylized version, it should not be used in the title per Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Trademarks (1."Follow standard English text formatting and capitalization practices, even if the trademark owner considers nonstandard formatting "official", as long as this is a style already in widespread use, rather than inventing a new one"; 2. "In the article about a trademark, it is conventional to give the normal English spelling in the lead section, followed by a note, such as "(stylized as ...)" (or "(stylised as ...)" depending on the article's variety of English), with the stylized version (which may include simple stylization, like capitalization changes, decorative characters, or superscripting, but not colorization, attempts to emulate font choices, or other elaborate effects), then resume using an alternative that follows the usual rules of spelling and punctuation, for the remainder of the article. In other articles that mention the subject, use only the normal English spelling, not the stylization."). For example, Time magazine's official name is "TIME", but Wikipedia uses "Time" as its title. --Neo-Jay (talk) 07:24, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
....The Chinese community will never have such restrictions. I agree to renaming.--寒吉 (talk) 07:51, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Galician Literature Day

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:35, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:PERFCAT, WP:OVERLAPCAT, WP:OCAWARD)
Galician Literature Day is an annual festival celebrating Galician culture since 1963. Each year a different deceased Galician-language writer is picked and public readings are made of their work. This category contains those deceased authors and, if these headliners were living writers, this would clearly be a performance category. Since English Wikipedia doesn't have a ton of articles on Galician-language writers, this category significantly overlaps with Category:Galician-language writers. The category contents are already listified right here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 04:18, 7 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Zvane Črnja Award winners

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:33, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:OCAWARD) and per WP:G7, author request (see below)
Zvane Črnja Award is a Croatian literary award established in 2007 that is given out each year at the Pula Days of Essays festival. The vast majority of winners don't have an article on English Wikipedia yet and the few that do just mention this award in passing and it doesn't seem defining. We have a Catch-22 where, when the award is defining enough for a category, the winners aren't notable enough for an article and, when they're notable enough for an article, the category is no longer defining. The category contents are already listified right here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 04:18, 7 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Eligible for Speedy Since the author created the category on Wednesday and now supports deletion, WP:G7 can apply. (Or we can let this CFD play out.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 10:46, 7 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Songs about elves

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:32, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:OCAT. Has only one song listed, is unlikely to be expanded. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 04:04, 7 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Now to the 3 entries we have in the category at present.
  1. Elfenlied opens with ‘Elfenlied is the conventional title of a 1780 poem by Goethe, and is correctly categorised as Category:German poems, Category:Poetry by Johann Wolfgang von Goethe. So quite clearly it does not belong in a nominated category about songs. It might belong in Poems about elves.
  2. Tomten och haren fails to mention elves, so should not be in the nominated category.
  3. Elveskud finally mentions elves in the summary (not the lead, where one would expect it if it was a defining attribute) in the English translation of the lyrics, where we find the song is still not about elves, but is about Sir Olof and how he faces temptation, which in itself maybe a parable.
Because supporters of ‘songs about’ categories will add any old rubbish without any concern for WP guidelines the problems of maintenance of the category far outweigh any benefits for the reader, as patently shown by the addition of a song and a poem as pointed out above --Richhoncho (talk) 13:36, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:1990s platform video games

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:31, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Wikipedia:Triple intersection and overcategorization for deletion per the last discussion: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 January 16#Category:Superhero video games by decade. Already covered by existing categories Category:Video games by year and Category:Platform video games. czar 02:56, 7 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Czechoslovak musical groups

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The result of the discussion was: keep. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:30, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Category is empty and unnecessary; Czechoslovak musical groups are already separated into Czech and Slovak categories. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 02:49, 7 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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  1. ^ "Seven-Veiled Ethnicity: A Hong Kong Chinese Folk Model".
  2. ^ https://www.jstor.org/stable/469278?seq=1
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