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Next papal conclave

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Fails WP:TOOSOON and WP:CRYSTAL. I am making this discussion in response to a challenged ProD, which four editors, including myself, endorsed. I believe that this article is too speculative; this page essentially details the next papal conclave, which we don't know when it will happen. Additionally, I believe this page was created because of the reports that states that Pope Francis was in critical condition, which I believe contributes to the speculative nature of this article. Kaito-san (talk/contribs) 01:53, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Events, Politics, Christianity, and Europe. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 02:16, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: per nom. ~Darth Stabro^{Talk • Contribs} 02:37, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Clearly fails WP:CRYSTAL. Esolo5002 (talk) 02:45, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify. Might as well get a start on it. Hyperbolick (talk) 09:49, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep in general, the next election for the next head of state of a country is something which usually has an article because it is known for certain that it will happen, even if it is not known when. There are more than enough reliable sources covering it to justify an article. Chessrat ^{(talk, contributions)} 16:18, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep there are more than enough sources for it. I don't think TOOSOON or CRYSTAL applies here, bcs next does not necessarily mean 2025. Draftify as an alternative, bcs speculation has a small chance of not been sustained if and when the pope recovers. DWF91 (talk) 16:30, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify (or delete). While this subject will sadly probably be notable at sometime in the foreseeable future, at this point it's all just speculation. Once official announcements are made and we can write something more substantial it can have a page. ArtemisiaGentileschiFan (talk) 18:41, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Per Chessrat, it's usual for unscheduled elections to have pages, e.g. Libya, Sudan, Palestine and Ukraine. As for an election triggered when the incumbent dies, the only one I can think of is Iran's Supreme Leader. The page has enough reliable sources and I think it should exist regardless of the Pope's condition. Khronicle I (talk) 20:27, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Sources clearly indicate a WP:GNG pass now, and it corresponds with similar pages on upcoming expected elections and so passes the WP:NOPAGE test of GNG. This conclave will take place, provided (as they say in my part of the world) "the good Lord tarries and the creek don't rise." It's not WP:TOOSOON because reliable and independent sources are already talking about it in significant depth. Dclemens1971 (talk) 02:42, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep An event that is expected and has GNG coverage does not violate WP:CRYSTAL. There is information about the voters and how the conclave will be organized. --Enos733 (talk) 04:35, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - When the papacy becomes vacant? this article can easily be recreated, with the year included in the title. Until then? there's no need for it. GoodDay (talk) 05:32, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom and GoodDay above. Article can easily be recreated under a more plausible title, unlike the current one which is speculative and unhelpful. CycloneYoris ^talk! 09:49, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. We have both a critical health episode that would be certainly be present in the eventual episode and we have sources naming papabile, however distasteful that may be, so TOOSOON and CRYSTAL would not apply here. The threshold of certainty and verifiable information that we would want has crossed into the zone where an article can be created. At the very least, the article should be kept as a draft. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 19:54, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Chessrat, Khronicle I, and Patar knight. Even before pope Francis' illness we should probably have had an article on the next conclave, given the importance of the papacy and the wealth of other articles we have about upcoming elections without a set date. WP:CRYSTAL says that "future events should be included only if the event is notable and almost certain to take place" and that if preparation "is not already in progress, speculation about it must be well documented", both of which this article seem to pass. Morbid as the cause of those new sources may be, they are emerging left and right, which only solidifies it to me that the time has come for this article. 87.49.44.28 (talk) 21:11, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I'm not sure this does pass GNG - the only sources are "here's how a conclave will work." SportingFlyer T·C 01:27, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Just wait for the Pope to die. This isn't comparable to "next election" articles because the Pope's death doesn't happen on a regular schedule. The equivalent would be having an article titled "Next coronation of the King of the United Kingdom". Like others have said, the article can easily be recreated with a more precise title once the Pope dies. Keeping this as a redirect after that article is made is more justifiable but in my opinion not preferable as the redirect will be way "too soon" right after the next conclave is complete. Yue🌙 01:46, 4 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify because it is better to have something for when an article is needed imo. Alexeyperlov (Complain) 14:34, 5 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 18:11, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify - my initial reaction was that of Yue and WP:THISISMORBID. But upon further reflection, the stoic and/or Christian would say, be ready. Memento mori. Genesis 3:19 (NRSVA) says, "By the sweat of your face you shall eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken; you are dust, and to dust you shall return." Bearian (talk) 09:32, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. This may be a morbid thought, but it's well been established that the Pope is not in good health, that the many sources indicate at it passing WP:GNG, and that a Conclave will happen upon his death. The next Papal Conclave is in effect what Khronicle I said, an unscheduled election. Frank_{(has DemoCracy DeprivaTion)} 05:21, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]