Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/James Moyle (treasurer)

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The result was delete‎. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 15:32, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

James Moyle (treasurer) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)

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Biography of a politician, not properly sourced as passing WP:NPOL. The attempted notability claim here is that he held office at the local municipal level, in an area that's part of the major city of Toronto now, but was only a small, rural township at the time he held office -- which means that he does not get to claim "inherent" notability on global city grounds the way a contemporary Toronto city councillor would usually get, and instead would have to pass NPOL #2 on his sourceability just the same as any other municipal-level politician in a non-metropolitan town or city.
But one of the two footnotes here is a primary source (the municipal council's own self-published records) that isn't support for notability at all, while the other is a book which briefly namechecks James Moyle on one page without being about him in any non-trivial sense, which means it would be fine for use as one of several sources in a well-referenced article but doesn't represent enough coverage to secure the notability of a smalltown local officeholder all by itself if it's the only non-primary source he has.
There's just nothing here that would be "inherently" notable enough to exempt him from having to have much, much more and better coverage than this. Bearcat (talk) 15:25, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politicians and Canada. Bearcat (talk) 15:25, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Crime, Finance, and Ireland. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 20:36, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. A clerk who was convicted for embezzling doesn't have the sourcing required. Clarityfiend (talk) 03:56, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. No indication that WP:NPOL or WP:NCRIMINAL are met (being a town treasurer, including one convicted of a crime, doesn't automatically make one notable - and that appears to be the main claim to notability here). In terms of WP:GNG and WP:ANYBIO, my own WP:BEFORE hasn't returned any more than the thin/passing mention sources we find in the article. (Directory-style entries in council records and a single passing mention in someone's diary.) That we have to rely on OR and SYNTH to make vague "guesses" about event the basic facts (birth, early life, place/date of death, etc) is very telling - as it indicates that there are no in-depth biographical sources available. As there don't seem to have sufficient sources to support even the scant text that we have, not to mind support a claim to SIGCOV/notability, I don't see how advocate for anything other than deletion... Guliolopez (talk) 10:12, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nomination. BottleOfChocolateMilk (talk) 19:36, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. AllTheUsernamesAreInUse (talk) 06:18, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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