Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hand of Frog

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Republic of Ireland vs France (2010 FIFA World Cup Play-Off). Brandon (talk) 07:52, 26 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This is NOT the main article about the France v Ireland game. Voting here is only a vote about the term 'Hand of Frog'. The main match article is here, which is also up for deletion here

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This event does not merit a article. The name is nothing but WP:NEO. Refereeing mistakes happen. We can't create a article for every one of them. chandler 09:22, 19 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete, event was on Nov 18. Possible speediable under {{db-attack}}. Abductive (reasoning) 09:41, 19 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Firstly, the term "Hand of Frog" only seems to be used by one single newspaper - "Hend of God" and L'Hand of God" are other such imaginative titles being used here in Britain - so "Hand of Frog" is an inappropriate title at best. Secondly, the nominator has it spot on - refereeing mistakes happen all the time, and not all of them warrant an article (in fact, very few of them do). This incident isn't really isn't as high profile as the 1986 Hand of God goal and it's obvious to me this will all die down in a couple of days. Bettia (talk) 09:42, 19 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, per Bettia. -Reconsider the static (talk) 09:43, 19 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. Bettia (talk) 09:44, 19 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• (Could be considered a sister Afd of "Republic of Ireland vs France (2010 FIFA World Cup Play-Off)") chandler 13:53, 19 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge. We've got a pretty good precedent with Hand of God goal. Nfitz (talk) 19:05, 21 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - one of a multitude of refereeing blunders that plagues modern football on a weekly basis, no reason why this is notable. GiantSnowman 14:19, 19 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as per Bettia. (Notice how we don't have a separate article for the Australia-Croatia game in the 2006 World Cup, where the referee booked one Croatian player three times before getting sent off.) DitzyNizzy (aka Jess)|(talk to me)|(What I've done) 14:28, 19 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete One day, an academic somewhere will publish a paper on the evolution of impotent rage from letters to the editor of the local paper to creation of (sub-)encyclopaedic articles. Kevin McE (talk) 17:33, 19 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: Ive merged it to Republic of Ireland vs France (2010 FIFA World Cup Play-Off), there is no point having an article on just the phrase. The redirect can go to Rfd if necessary, but it seems a valid search term currently. MickMacNee (talk) 19:13, 19 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  124.184.96.26 has undone this, I think he hasn't noticed the other article, but I'm not going to start edit warring over it. Whatever. Everyone please note that everything in this article is in the other one, if anybody notices people adding stuff here and not there, please add it there also. MickMacNee (talk) 00:01, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - Very notable event which gained worldwide media attention, ministerial level response in both Ireland and France and is the subject on ongoing controversy. 124.184.96.26 (talk) 21:50, 19 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge with Republic of Ireland vs France (2010 FIFA World Cup Play-Off) and keep this one. Barraki (talk) 22:00, 19 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Per WP:NEO. Joe Chill (talk) 01:06, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - Funny, and potentially iconic —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.8.104.80 (talk) 11:51, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: This incident will be remembered for decades to come and will be one of the main things to define Henry's career. Chrismccarthy (talk) 12:25, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong delete - It is already mentioned in other articles, and I don't see the advantage in starting to use racist abuse as titles of Wikipedia articles.Jeppiz (talk) 15:22, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - as per Betttia, DitzyNizzy and Joe Chill. Snappy (talk) 16:27, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, not even worth redirecting. - Mailer Diablo 18:17, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - if this article is kept (but I see no reason for that), it should absolutely be renamed or redirected to the appropriately titled article with the same content per MickMacNee. Jogurney (talk) 22:22, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong delete. It can be mentioned in other articles. --Dpr 71.111.194.50 (talk) 23:02, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete WP:NEO that can be covered substantially (and with better quality) in another article. Grsz¹¹ 23:51, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to Republic of Ireland vs France (2010 FIFA World Cup Play-Off), which should be kept based on the sources that have accumulated. Not much to merge, given the already extensive coverage there. Savidan 01:04, 22 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete not notable
• Delete While this incident is currently enjoying much publicity, it will be a footnote in footballing history at best. It's not as if Henry even handled the ball into the back of the net as Maradona did in the incident this has been frequently compared to. The xenophobic epithet in the title does nothing to help this article's standing. Fieldday-sunday (talk) 02:34, 22 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete not independently notable of the game in which it occurred, also falls seriosuly foul of NPOV and is not a widely used term.--Jackyd101 (talk) 03:07, 22 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to Republic of Ireland vs France (2010 FIFA World Cup Play-Off). If that is eventually deleted, this would be a speedy delete anyway. WFCforLife (talk) 13:35, 22 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete it seems from above that article content is elsewhere, and also the title of the article is inappropriate/can't be said to be universally used. Eldumpo (talk) 14:18, 22 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete nn. This is heaps less notable than tons of flagrant dives (by C Ronaldo everyweek) and the rugby tackles that happen in the odd match and go unspotted, like Aus v Croatia in 2006 YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 04:50, 23 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to Republic of Ireland vs France (2010 FIFA World Cup Play-Off) GainLine ♠ _♥ 16:24, 23 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - While this incident has received a significant amount of media coverage in the last few days, it remains to be seen whether such coverage will continue to such an extent that the subject is deemed "notable". – PeeJay 01:34, 24 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete or Merge into the AfD purposing Republic of Ireland vs France (2010 FIFA World Cup Play-Off). Well, Hand of God merged, why this one have to be created? Nonsense. Raymond "Giggs" Ko 04:30, 24 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge The fact that the Hand of God goal doesnt have its own article means its pretty hard to give this one an article. Although its a definate notable event and should be merged. Portillo (talk) 10:28, 24 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge to main article. Deletion is not needed here. -- Banjeboi 13:22, 24 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge. Has some decent sources, and could be used to expand/cite the other article. --Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 21:48, 24 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. There are already too many articles on this topic. Disagree with those who cry about this article because you can't have an article on every bad refereeing decision. This one ignited a global controversy like none since Maradonas hand of god goal in 1986, and this one led to a FIFA emergency meeting which will in turn likely lead to some rule changes, so this one has significance and deserves it's own article. Unfortunately, it has 50 already and this is among the least useful.. --Laurencedunne - 12:48, 25 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Non-notable event. GlassCobra 01:39, 26 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.