Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Adam Bagni (3rd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was KEEP Adam Bagni, merge secondary articles into it. (non-admin closure) (talk→ Bwilkins / BMW ←track) 10:53, 5 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Adam Bagni

Lack of Notability. His sources are his own television station, and minor blips on local new sites. Only notable characteristic is holding the Guinness World Record for Longest Radio Quiz. The source notes that they were attempting getting the record, but there is no record of him actually officially getting it (according to a source at the university, they followed all the procedures, but never submitted the paperwork). Numerous people have removed this "fact", and had their change reverted as vandalism. I previously proposed deletion, which was also reverted as vandalism. Joe CoT (talk) 03:49, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the following related pages because they are for minor TV shows that this person is involved in, which are also not notable:

~~Speedy Delete~~ and possibly salt, CSD G4 as recreation of article previously deleted in an AFD discussion. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Adam Bagni (second nomination). Redfarmer (talk) 03:58, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Adam Bagni, as my speedy was declined. Only regional recognition. Award won was a regional award, not a major award. Being a minor crew member on some national sports programs does not constitute notability. This guy has never had an on-air spot with any national broadcaster. I can't believe we're actually thinking of keeping this article. One person below actually admitted the article was originally created as a joke while he was still in college and he hasn't done anything since that would suggest he's any the more notable. Nothing has changed in his world since the last AfD that would make him notable. No opinion on other articles as this was the only article I was commenting on when I first came here. Redfarmer (talk) 22:24, 2 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A group AfD is always difficult because each article must now be judged on its indivual merits. I will trust the closing admin to sort it all out. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 07:22, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep This article is clearly not in violation of any wikipedia policy. It contains information regarding an on-air, television personality. Do I have to list the vast amount of local and national sportcasters that are on Wikipedia? It is not a copy of a previous page 66.0.131.50 (talk) 04:16, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Please do not remove the AfD header from these nominated pages until the discussion is finished Joe CoT (talk) 04:22, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Those sportscasters would presumably be notable. If there are sportscasters with articles that are of equal or less notability as that of this person, please provide me links to those articles, so that I can also propose them for deletion. Joe CoT (talk) 05:24, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, I have declined the speedy, as while this version of the article is clearly based on the previously deleted version (some paragraphs are word for word), this version is much longer and contains additional cites. Therefore, I believe G4 is not applicable here. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 11:07, 30 January 2009 (UTC).[reply]
Keep As the creator of this article, I think it's definitely worthy of Wikipedia. Local newscasters are filled all throughout Wikipedia and they are notable folks, particularly in the communities for which they are recognizable. With all of the print journalists listed too, it just seems appropriate. To me, if you're on TV everyday, that makes you at least notable enough for Wikipedia. Revzzz (talk) 18:52, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Can you please explain how this person has become more notable than the last time the article was deleted? He's still a regional sportscaster, and he's gained no further recognition. Joe CoT (talk) 19:01, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - It was deleted in 2005 and then again in 2006. A lot has hapened in the intevening 3 years. Awards and records. Its minor and regional, but he now passes. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 07:39, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Well when we made Adam's page a couple years ago, it was kind of a joke - we were still in college and he really hadn't done anything notable yet. But now, he's been working for this ABC station as a sportscaster in Alabama's capital for over a year. With the massive amount of local news people listed on this site, I don't see why he's any differnt. Listing him certainly isn't a DETRIMENT to Wikipedia, that's for sure. Revzzz (talk) 01:51, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - WP:NOHARM. Redfarmer (talk) 22:24, 2 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 11:27, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 11:29, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Adam Bagni. Since the first appearance of this article in 2005, Adam has been a busy fellow... getting press, winning awards, and setting records. A nice set of accomplishments in the intervening 4 years that have made him now worthy of inclusion. Salt? Deletion? Naw. I did a bit of copyedit on the article. It passes. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 07:22, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- As I've said numerous times, the article cited does not say that he won the world record. It says that he attempted it. There is no mention anywhere of him actually getting the record. No matter how you shuffle the information around, he's still not notable. Joe CoT (talk) 18:54, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - Found the source and added it. Or is The Collegian now unreliable? Added it and other sources. This fellow has not sat still over the interveneing 4 years. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 06:51, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    - I see no reference that includes him getting the world record for longest radio quiz, which is the only "notable" aspect claimed. If I am missing any reference besides this FOX philly article (which says he attempted it), please let me know. Let's go through all the references, shall we?
      - Bio for Bagni, on the website of the TV Channel he works for
      - Blip on Bagni in the local paper of his home town. Take a look at the other articles that make it to the front page of their local paper.
      - four sentences in an aggregate article about new hires. His name isn't even mentioned in the title of the article.
      - WEXP award article. The awards went to lots of people. If this makes someone notable, please also add articles for Mike Petty and Andrew Neumann.
      - Article on record attempt. a) his name isn't even mentioned, b) again, no mention anywhere of them actually receiving the award.
      - Another aggregate article of new hires. It's a talent recruiting company, and bagni was a client.
    - Based on any of this criteria, please tell me how this person is notable, using any of the notability guidelines for people. If this is what passes as notable, then, since I have a blip here and here, it's a travesty that I have yet to have an article, and I'll pay a friend 20 bucks tomorrow to put one up. Joe CoT (talk) 00:02, 2 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Merge Inside the Tide and the Tigers and AUM Sports Show atubs to Adam Bagni#Career where they have utility and set redirect to the the article. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 07:37, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Question: Why is "second nomination" listed above twice? The first was way back in 2005. The second in 2006. This one, 3 years later should be 3rd. Yes? Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 07:37, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

KEEP As the Adam Bagni, I've been rightfully avoiding this discussion. It'll be interesting to see if I'm "worthy" enough for Wikipedia - I certainly hope so. But as a Wikipedia semi-buff, speaking in general about local news folks, I think it's fairly clear that we are notable. How many people do you know that appear on television nightly in front of hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of people? I certainly think my sources pass as well. To claim our station website isn't legit is really misplaced. Thank you. 66.0.131.50 (talk) 01:34, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I do not claim that your station website isn't legitimate. What I claim is that the articles of your station website and a recruiting agency you are a client of are not sufficiently independent of you to be considered evidence of notability. I have articles written about me by other members of the Ubuntu community, and other members of my team. I also believe my mother may have said nice things about me once, and I have reference letters from teachers, if you'd like to see them. While I appreciate those things, I do not consider them independent enough to make me notable.
  
  You're correct in that I do not know many people that appear on television to thousands or millions of people. Can you provide any links to ratings of your news cast, or your television program? That may also be useful for determining your notability. Joe CoT (talk) 22:57, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Redfarmer (talk) 14:15, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I've changed the article so that instead of saying Bagni was awarded the Guinness World record, it says that he participated in an attempt on the Guinness world record. The reason I have changed this is that the reference given only mentions the attempt, and I've been unable to find any source stating the Guinness actually awarded them a new record. If you are going to change the article back, please also provide a source for the actual award. I note this here, as I believe the difference between attempting and receiving the record means a great deal towards notability. Joe CoT (talk) 22:57, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Fair enough tweak. I fixed the ref format some, did a deeper search, added a few more sources, and tagged it for additional WP:RESCUE. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 05:42, 5 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note to closing Admin If the Bagni article is kept, and since I have seen no comments about the two others proposed for deletion in this multiple listing, I ask that you consider userfying Inside the Tide and the Tigers and AUM Sports Show to me at User:MichaelQSchmidt/Inside the Tide and the Tigers and User:MichaelQSchmidt/AUM Sports Show and I will be glad to do the merge. Thank you. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 06:08, 5 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- The "deletion discussion" link in the rescue box re-directs to the first nomination, instead of this discussion. How do we fix that? Revzzz (talk) 06:25, 5 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep We can keep it, but I wouldn't note that he heads internships. That doesn't seem especially notable (at least at the top of the article). Don't you agree? Although it is another source... 24.214.53.191 (talk) 06:33, 5 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In agreement that his intern stuff can/should be moved lower. Just haven't figured out where to best fit in in yet. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 09:11, 5 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.