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Tezero one editor removed a lot of material on the potential superpowers saying inappropriate material which they specially removed material but allowed other material on other potential superpower countries to stick that on another country. I think it is inappropriate for editors to remove material on one country and leave in on another as if it is there own. Referring to comments made by politicians, diplomats, scholarly publications, presidents regarding such as Russia as a superpower are appropriate and valid facts for support for countries on potential superpowers, not just one country but all countries, need your input, thanks.--198.134.105.98 (talk) 18:41, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

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Hello, Tezero. Thank you for rating Talk:Accidental gap. I had to hunt just a little a bit to find what you had edited on the page, though, since you didn't leave an edit summary. It's not a big deal, but a few seconds of your time might save many other editors a few seconds each when you edit pages on their watch lists. Thanks again for your contributions and happy editing, Cnilep (talk) 00:20, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Cnilep, that's a reasonable request in general, but if you click the diff it's pretty clear what's been changed. Tezero (talk) 00:21, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes, but that's exactly what I meant by "hunt just a little a bit" and take up "a few seconds each". What you choose to do is of course entirely up to you, but I wanted to ask you to think about dozens of people "click[ing] the diff" and compare that effort to making an edit summary. It's not a requirement, but making edit summaries is considered a good practice. Cnilep (talk) 00:29, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Fair enough, Cnilep. I didn't realize that many people paid attention to low-bit-count edits on talk pages. Tezero (talk) 01:22, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Czech language you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria.   This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Maunus -- Maunus (talk) 20:20, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

• I really don't mean to discourage you with my critique, I think it is wonderful that you are interested in improving language articles - we certainly need more editors with that interest. But I do feel a little that maybe you are not interested enough in languages and linguistics, to do the amount of research needed to work on this kind of academic topic. If you are really interested, then doing the research I think wouldn't feel as "work". It certainly doesn't to me. I understand that you are still in college and are just learning how to do research, which is why I do try to help you as much as I can with pointing you towards sources and ways of finding them. But if finding them and reading them feels like a tedious task, then it probably will never have the effect I am intending. Languages are big and complicated, and the discipline of linguistics was invented to try to make sense of them. That is why I think interest and background knowledge in linguistics and in the description of the language one writes about is indispensable. One definitely doesn't have to be a professional or an expert to get the sufficient background knowledge, but it is necessary to be willing to do the basic legwork. I hope you will keep working at it, and I am sure that you can do it if you put your mind to it. User:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 20:10, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

• Maunus, it's not that I don't enjoy reading about it. I just get frustrated when I can't really tell how far along I am or what precisely is needed. And that goes for everything, not just Wikipedia. Tezero (talk) 20:47, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

• I just responded to your recent changes to Czech language. I only just now see that you have suffered a personal loss for which I extend my condolences. As always I am not in a hurry with the review, so take the time you need. Best wishes, User:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 17:14, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the review and the passing grade. This was my first GA attempt, and it went pretty smoothly, thanks to your guidance. I appreciate it - and good luck with your future GAs! Dohn joe (talk) 21:22, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Dohn joe, you're very welcome. I encourage you to build up more GAs; WikiProject Languages definitely needs more. Oh, and your talk page is quite long; I'd recommend creating an archive of all the current messages. Tezero (talk) 23:04, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Since you commented at Wikipedia talk:Good article nominations#The State of GAC, I thought you might want to comment at Wikipedia talk:Good article nominations#Formal decision on nomination limit. Most people who commented on the initial discussion do not seem to be following this page, because the formal decision has gotten very few responses.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:48, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

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Hey, Tezero, how's it going! I was wondering if you could help me with Sleeping Dogs (video game) since I really need help with it. Ever since I joined Wiki I have been trying to tackle the article alone but I can't seem to do it by myself wit the amount of experience I have. Is there any way you could help me take it to GA? I know you usually only edit other gaming related articles, but this one is rated B class so it should be an easy thing for both of us. What do you think? Thanks for everything in advance, URDNEXT (talk) 12:33, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Hey, URDNEXT, my bad. I was working on this a while ago when you asked me, but I kinda forgot, especially since you seemed to have other editors in on it. I think it's pretty close; Gameplay needs citations, the expansions could use a bit of real-world information (such as the release information I moved there way back when), and the Post-release part of Reception needs expansion. (IIRC, I came up with basic points from the reviews along which this section could be constructed when I was last working on it - do you know where those are?) Tezero (talk) 15:47, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Here you go, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:URDNEXT&action=edit&section=10. Tezero URDNEXT (talk) 15:54, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Did I get it right? Tezero URDNEXT (talk) 15:59, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) "great open world with a ton to do, great combat and variety of satisfyingly violent attacks, decent but flawed narrative, and a few bugs" + "music/audio". That's it. Thanks, URDNEXT! Oh, and about Czech, I've very recently taken to reading online articles in it (as well as working substantially on its article, which I hope will pass GAN soon). Tezero (talk) 16:00, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

That's awesome! Hope it passes too. By the way... Do you think you'll have to start Sleeping Dogs from the ground up? Tezero URDNEXT (talk) 16:04, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

URDNEXT, the whole article? God, no. Just Post-release, probably. I'll see if I can start building a new version later today. Tezero (talk) 16:07, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Alright, thanks! Cntact me if you run into any problems! Tezero URDNEXT (talk) 16:10, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

A belated welcome back. I wanted to let you know that I appreciate the pings for giving me a heads up, even though I haven't responded to a bunch of them due to time restraints. Good to see you around czar ♔ 15:07, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Don't forget Sleeping Dogs? You told me to remind you. URDNEXT (talk) 20:59, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

I haven't forgotten, URDNEXT; I've just been doing other things today. Hey, do you own a physical copy of the game? If so, you can use its instruction manual to cite things in Gameplay. (I've never played it; I'm not much for Western open-world games.) Tezero (talk) 21:02, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Unfortunately I only have the digital copy, but I'll find one on Google. URDNEXT (talk) 21:03, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Bingo! http://www.manualplanet.com/pdf/games/square-enix/sleeping-dogs-pc-manual.pdf You're welcome! URDNEXT (talk) 21:06, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Bybthe way, are you gonna do just the Post-release section? Because this way I can avoid editing the parts you will. URDNEXT (talk) 21:14, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

URDNEXT, I've cited some things in Gameplay using the manual (thanks, by the way); I can stick to Gameplay and Post-release if that'd make it easier. Tezero (talk) 21:21, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

That would save my ass (lol). I'll take on the plot, release then. Thanks! Tezero URDNEXT (talk) 21:23, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for working on Potential superpower. I think there are some more articles that I've created or expanded and they may achieve GA status. But what you have to say? These articles include;-

• Rape in India
• Rape in Sweden
• Superpower
• Cher
• Priscilla Presley
• Sati (practice)
• Rape in Egypt

Got few more, but these few would matter enough for now. I know that they may have dead links or dailymail links but they are large/balanced enough? OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 13:03, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

OccultZone, I think Cher is the closest, followed by Rape in India (some short paragraphs, a few missing citations, inconsistent citation format), Rape in Sweden (somewhat inconsistent citation format, may need expansion), and Superpower (inconsistent citation format, some possibly unreliable sources [happytellus, heritage.org, etc.]). Consider setting up a peer review for one of them. Tezero (talk) 14:42, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Supernerd11 _{Firemind ^_^ Pokedex} 14:44, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Great job on the article. Since I assume that one of your goals is to raise awareness of the work, I thought I'd mention that I downloaded it earlier to see if it lived up to the Reception section's hype. Haven't played a Sonic game since the 2D ones, but this definitely lived up to the legacy. Very nice music, too. Thanks for helping to turn people on to a quality game. JimmyBlackwing (talk) 00:45, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

JimmyBlackwing, thank you! That's a general goal I have when getting articles to GA and FA status, one that my userpage doesn't really get into because I don't think of it consciously very often. I mean, neither of the main page FAs I've had so far has been a well-received game, but... hey, now people remember that they exist, haha! I like to think that I'm one of the crowd who doesn't like how few high-quality articles Wikipedia has on their topics of choice, but am one of the few who's broken out of the cage of inferiority and done something about it. (Wikipedia had one Sonic-related FA [which was half-Mario] and two GAs, one of which would shortly be delisted, when I started working on Sonic articles. It seemed unfair that Final Fantasy, Kingdom Hearts, and Halo, which I didn't think were any more popular than Sonic, had plenty of them.) But yeah, this is an enjoyable game and I hope you won't be the only one to check it out as a result. Tezero (talk) 00:55, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

How's it going with Sleeping Dogs? URDNEXT (talk) 12:21, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

URDNEXT, I've been reading the reviews a little more thoroughly to decide on organization for Reception. I may start actually editing there today. Tezero (talk) 13:52, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Awesome! I think Rhain will also be handling development too! Tezero URDNEXT (talk) 14:36, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

URDNEXT, how does Post-release look now? I went through every single source today and think I've represented the main points pretty well. Tezero (talk) 21:05, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

You're literally making me cry! Thanks so much, man! You don't know how much this means to me. Thanks you again! URDNEXT (talk) 21:12, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Supernerd11 _{Firemind ^_^ Pokedex} 22:48, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Hey Tezero. Since you're pretty involved in the FA reviews, can you take a look at Manila Metro Rail Transit System, which has been listed for FARC half a year ago? The discussion is here, so any input is welcomed. This nominee has been stagnant long enough, I think.--Retrohead (talk) 11:51, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, sure, I can take a look, Retrohead. Thanks for alerting. Tezero (talk) 13:47, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

What's up! Tezero! URDNEXT (talk) 13:49, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

I know, I know, I'll be there, URDNEXT. I just have to tutor someone this morning. Please be patient. Tezero (talk) 13:57, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

I was just saying what's up... Tezero. URDNEXT (talk) 13:59, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Your suggestion seems to be a misunderstanding both of what systemic bias is. Systemic bias is not the same as systematic bias. A systemic bias is a bias that is inherent in the system. It is not an individual bias for or against anything, but the fact that some topics and interests are disproportionately represented in the wikipedia system due to the way the system works. For example the fact that interests of white youngish middle class americans are disproportionately represented relative to the interests of Rwandan or Bhutanese people, simply because smaller portions of those people speak English and have access to the internet, and the expertise it takes to use wikicode, use sources etc. It is also the source of the fact that we tend to have detailed high quality articles on topics of interest mostly to young american men, and almost no coverage of topics of primary interest to women - simply because there are much fewer female editors, probably due to some bias in the way that people individually choose to contribute to wikipedia or not. The systemic bias entails this, and not any unconscious bias on the behalf of any particular individual editor. Native American topics are subject to the systemic bias because there are a much smaller portion of native american editors writing about topics of interest to them. Not because other editors discriminate (though sometimes they do), or because they are individually biased. Within native american topics there is also a systemic bias favoring North American natives over south American ones, which is a simple result again of wikipedia usage being more prevalent in some places and more accessible to certain groups relative to others. You can read al about this at WP:SYSTEMIC. I once watched an editor try to make the arguments that Jews had a conflict of interest in relation to writing about judaism and antisemitism. That argument didnt turn out pretty. Your argument suffers from the same flaws. User:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 14:07, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Maunus, I already said I'm not going back there. And for the record, "didnt turn out pretty" doesn't mean that editor was wrong; it only means the mob mentality acted up. Please don't try to re-involve me in a project that likes conflating real-life atrocities against Native Americans with biased editing for the sake of drowning out logic. Tezero (talk) 14:14, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

I am not trying to involve you in anything, but trying to tell you what systemic bias means and why your proposal was ill conceived. And for the record of course it is both wrong and stupidly so to suggest that Jews should be more careful to avoid bias than non-jews when writing about Judaism or antisemitism. As for your unpleasant experience at the talkpage I dare say that given that you were acting like a white elephant in a china shop the outcome was predictable.User:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 14:41, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, Maunus, it was predictable; I should've gone with my hunch that social-science-related WikiProjects are all trigger-happy to accuse anyone who disagrees of being racist and launch into personal attacks instead of policy-based arguments because that's the only thing they understand. It does seem your assessment of "systemic bias" is more correct than mine; I was thinking of "systematic bias". That being said, I think people of all ethnicities can be biased about them and ought to keep an eye on their own possible biases, and I don't think Wikipedia would be out of line in suggesting this. Tezero (talk) 18:38, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Of course everyone can be biased, that is exactly why we don't need to tailor messages about trying to avoid bias to any groups in specific. In anycase, no hard feelings from my part, just wanted to clear up the terminology.User:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 18:58, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Hey man, sorry if it's annoying but, thank you for your work in the Sleeping Dgs article! I wanted take this opportunity to also see if you're gonna take on the gameplay section as well. Also, apparently Rhain hasn't been active as of the past week, so I'm gonna take on the marketing and release for him. I belueve by the end of the week we can get a new GA on our hands! What do you think? URDNEXT (talk) 21:25, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Also, I read in your userpage that you suffered from depression before, and I got curious to know how everything is going. Is everything alright now? I hope so, as I know what depression is like when I suffered from it last year. It was incredibily terrifying and I lost the motivation to do everything I loved and even, to live. If there's any problems you need help with, just contact me! URDNEXT (talk) 21:32, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

You're welcome, URDNEXT; I am still planning to finish Gameplay and I can help with anything else that needs it. I do have a lot else on my plate, though: most notably, the reviewer of the Czech language article noted that the History section was severely incomplete, though it was about the best I could do with the sources I had, so he's provided me some more and I need to steadily be working on it so the GAN doesn't close as fail. There are also a couple of GANs by other users I'm tending to, and I have to prepare Sonic X for FAC and write the grammar section of the Navajo language article from the ground up. In other words, I'm busy all around on Wikipedia, but with what time I have for this, I'm more than open to keeping on going.

Also, it's nice to know you're there if I need someone. (And of course, you can hit me up if you need a shoulder.) To be honest, no, I haven't been feeling the best lately. My days are starting to run together, with little excitement in each one and little hope of picking up before college starts back up. I'm working on a long-form written piece (a fanfic, if you must know), but lately have had writer's block that's impeded me sticking to a clear schedule for ongoing readers. And I found out recently that three once-close friends (two of them dating back to elementary school) have unfriended me on Facebook and Steam within a short time for no apparent reason. At least working on articles and seeing real progress made fairly quickly still brings me pleasure. Tezero (talk) 23:12, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Tezero There's no rush to finish the gameplay section, so take your time to make the best you can. I had several people block me on facebook for no reason before too, so I know what it's like to have that. I sucks I know, but remember that your real friends are the ones that are there for you no matter ehat conditions you're under, if you're busy, if you're poor, if you're sick, or anything else. You see, I like to call this situation the piranha filter. This is where you know if someone is your real friend or just a phony. Remember to value only the people that care about you, and don't give a shit about the ones that disrespect you. If they don't want to be around you, then fuck them, you're worth more than that. I once had a bff from all the way from first grade in elementary. He was awesome and we were like brothers, but somewhere along high school, he started ignoring me. For some reason, he wouldn't pick up the phone, and when he did, he would purposefully hang up on me, and then act like it was a "technical problem". I later found out his parents (except for his dad, who's awesome) also had a grudge against me. I eventually got over it and noticed how in life, no matter what, you gotta fight for your happiness. Even if that means putting some people away from your life. Just forget them, get over it, and move on with your life, that simple. I can garantee you eventually you'll meet new people who are gonna care about you, and then you'll have new friends to replace the fake ones that came before. Know that I'm here for you too, so when you think no ones cares about you, remember the people who are here for you, either your parents, your family, you other friends, focus on them, not the people who ignore you. I remember when I went to college, (film degree by the way), I would try to make friends in the classes, and most people would ignore me. I thought that everyone in the world was a douchebag and hated me, but eventually in the 2nd year, I met some new people, and they became my friends, we still keep contact today, and sometimes we hang out when we are able to. What I learned from this is no matter what, good things are coming, that's a fact. And aldo, that we can't, no matter how hard we try, make everyone like us. I'm also a writer, and when I started around High School, I would try to make the best script in the world, something that everyone would love. Soon enough, I got my reality check when I screened a small short film in class, and half the class booed me. I almost went on a rage rampage, but then my teacher told me something I never forgot, "You can't please everyone in life, so stop trying to be accepted by everyone, because it won't work. The biggest historical figures like Beethoven, Mozart and Da Vinci, all got hated on by people back in their day, heck, even Jesus was heavily ignored by a lot of people. What would happen if Martin Luther king chose to believe in the people that ognored him? He wouldn't have never achieved nothing in his life. Neither would Lincoln, Franlkin, and Washignton. Instead of caring about the people who ignored them, they chose to be around the people who cared about them, and prove the other guys that they're wrong. So focus on the good stuff, doing that, you should be fine."

Also, as I'm a writer too (songwriter, movie, and video games, i write a lot lol), I totally understand that writer's block can be a pain in the ass. But what I learned from Bruno Mars, is that you cant fight inspiration. If it comes it comes, if it doesnt, then just do something else and wait till you can do it properly. Dn't force inspiration because it can end up harming you creativity, and you may end up with material thats not good enoguh. But there are some methods that you can try if you really want to crank a script/piece out. Fr example, when I can't write about something, and writer's block blocks me, then I just write about writers block. Of life gives you a lemon, you make lemonade. Simple as that. Writers block is just a voice in your head that keeps you from doing something. This video helped me a lot, https://youtube.com/watch?v=rcKtcXbjwD4, you should definetely give it a try! About the schedule, I think you dhould keep track of when your inspiration strikes the most, and follow that. For example, some people write better when they go for a walk, so therefore, they should go for walks more often if they wish to write stuff more. See where I'm going? I recommend you organize yourself according to the 80 over 20 approach. That means you prioritize the most important stuff, over the less imporant stuff. For example, say you are doing college, and trying to constantly put out pieces weekly. You should re arrange your schedule to finishing the most important stuff first, then when you have time, do the other stuff. I Wikipedia is getting on your way, then you should try to give t less time. What's more important, a virtual medal or your degree? Sure, Wikipedia isnt bad, but if its hirting your life, specially your social life, you should focus on the other stuff more. Maybe a wikibreak if you really need to do something else? It's up to you. Try to focus 2-4 hours a day for studies and college everyday then spend the rest of the day doing stuff you like. Say taking a walk for example, or playing videogames. Even doing wikipedia too! But I recommend you try to (if you already don't) try to go out more. Maybe get a girlfriend, or hang out with friends a a bar or something. I'm sure you can find people that share intests with you, specially since college has so many people around campus. Take this chance to be more social (again, if you already don't), and I'm sure you can get that stress out from you. Go to parties, meet new people, watch more movies, play more games online, and as long as you don't exagerate, or let it take over your whole calendar, you can make you life a lot better! Doing stuff diferrent than the usual is good to keep things fresh and interesting. I like traveling with my girlfriend to places we haven't gone before, or watching random films on netflix, just for fun! Just like the beatles once said, "don't carry the world all on your shoulder". If Wikipedia is taking over your life, you should re arrange how much time you're putting in it. And prioritize the most important stuff, like the FAC, and the articles on GA. The other stuff can wait, since they don't have the amount of commitment the GA, FAs have.

Last but not least, write a list of things that make you happy, and one about things that don't. If your current schedule makes you bored and sad, there's something wrong with it. You HAVE to focus on the things that make you happy, and leave behind the things that make you sad, just like I said before. Because if you don't live live happy to the fullest, when you're older, you can end p regretting not doing these things, just like my uncle. Who wished he would have studied more when he was younger. Ask yourself, is what I'm doing something that I imagine myself doing HAPPILY when I'm 30/40 or even 50 years old? Is this the way I want to spend my limited time on Earth? Because we have one life, and even if you don't believe it, you can't deny that we have to live it to the fullest. I can't imagine myself doing something other than music, films and games. Sure it a lot of stuff for me to handle, but its what makes me happy, and something I want to do for the rest of my life, just because I love it so much. I look at my friends and ask, are these people good influences in my life? Or are they just drunken/party people that are going nowhere in life other than drinkng, partying and doing useless stuff. Parties are fantasic, but in excess, it can easily turn bad. So do what you love, hang out wi people you love, otherwise, re arrange your life. Because nobody knows if today is the last day in your life, so you have to fix whats wrong with it. URDNEXT (talk) 00:30, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

I hope this sheds some light on your problems, Tezero! If you find any priblemd, just contact me, alright? URDNEXT (talk) 01:57, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

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I have been watching your recent edits from the sideline. I was a little uneasy with your removal of the grammar section, and now I saw the culling of the unused references. Generally linguistics editors like the article bibliography to be comprehensive, because the bibliogprahy is extremely useful for other linguists who read the article. I think a better solution than removing references because they are unused is to make sure they are used. That way you also know that you have a high quality article that represents the entire body of literature. When I write a language article, especially about little known languages, I try to make sure that every single published source is cited in the article or at least in the further reading section. The article ideally should be a comprehensive review of the literature on the language, this becomes particularly important when different linguists disagree about some aspect of the interpretation of the language. Then the article has to present both interpretations. I would never let a language article go through FAC if it does not have this degree of comprehensibility, or if it leaves out differences in interpretation of important phenomena between different linguists.User:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 00:54, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

About the grammar section, please understand that it was gigantic, about the size of the full Swedish language article (an FA). Obviously I still have to expand the section; it doesn't even talk about nouns, and there's more to be said about verbs. I was also a little uneasy about the sources, but I know I won't even be able to locate them all, let alone use them all; for now I'll put the unused ones back in the form of a "Further reading" section. How does that sound, Maunus? Tezero (talk) 00:59, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Oh, and you know the grammar section isn't entirely gone, right? It's in a separate article now. I maintain that that's much easier to navigate. Tezero (talk) 01:03, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

I dont find inability to locate central sources to be a convincing argument, not having access to the most important sources is an argument for not working on the article, not for excluding the sources. For example Hoijer's early work is indispensable (though often superceded) and Parsons Yazzie and Speas grammar, being the most recent and acclaimed is also pretty much indispensible. many of the individual articles about specific linguistic topics also have their places, either here or in the grammar article. I am not completely adverse to the culling of the grammar section, although I do consider the grammar section to be the meat of a language article. It is possible to have a grammar article and then a summary of that article in situ. But it would have to describe all the main elements of Navajo grammar, and provide the reader with an overview of the typology and grammatical structure of the language. As for the sources I think you should start by copying them to the talkpage, then as you work you can incorporate them as you go.User:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 01:05, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Maunus, something I think you don't understand is that I'm not removing these sources from use - they weren't being used. They were just there as a statement of "Here, this exists!" From that, the article can only move up; I'm not sullying it by not having access to them. I'll look for what I can. Tezero (talk) 01:09, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

No, I do understand that. But you should also understand that someone added them to the bibliography in order to help the readers and future editors looking for sources to improve the page.User:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 01:46, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

I know that, Maunus. I'm one of those editors, so I figured it was okay to move them to my sandbox so I could add them back as I found them. (I did listen when you mentioned this in the Czech article; it's just that I also thought a laundry list of sources looked unseemly, but hey.) I don't really know of any way to tell which sources are the most "important", so I'm just making do with what I can. Tezero (talk) 01:51, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

There is only one way to find out which sources are most important - reading them all and see which are mentioned most by other sources and how. That is what in science writing (including encyclopedia article writing) one would call research, and which in academia we call to do a literature review. Dont worry about it, if you think some sources are superfluosu then perhaps they are, but please preserve the information available so that other editors in the future can benefit from it. And keep in mind that a FAC needs to be comprehensive.User:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 01:55, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Maunus, I'm obviously not done with Navajo yet, but I've worked in a few of the sources and found a few others. Do you have any thoughts on my recent edits? (Or on Czech, for that matter? You haven't been over there in a while.) Tezero (talk) 03:23, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

The grammar section is becoming a section now, but it lacks examples and prose description of the way the grammar works, it is almost a bare inventory of grammatical categories. Not very helpful for someone who wants to know how the language works. Also I don't like the list format at all, I think most of this is much better presented in prose.User:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 00:23, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Maunus, I'll change it back, then. I'm trying to find illustrative examples as we speak. Tezero (talk) 00:48, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Don't move backwards. Move forwards! You're on the right track. Just needs some more meat to go with the bones.User:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 00:50, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Tezero, your wording right here makes it pretty clear that your intent was to recruit help - that's canvassing. You really cannot be advocating such things. Please do not do that anymore. Thanks. Sergecross73 msg me 02:44, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

I suppose I was being too optimistic about the neutrality of her requests. Apologies, Sergecross73. Tezero (talk) 03:01, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Good point. Your suggestion was not great, but her wording was really what made it cross the line. Don't worry about it. Sergecross73 msg me 03:18, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

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Hi, I just wanted to ask you whether the GA criteria actually require each and every sentence to be sourced? It seems a bit ambiguous here. The thing is that I am having a hard time finding a source for "In reality, the psychological test is rarely requested." There is abundance of blogs and online forums and mine and my friends' personal experience all support this, but it seems that I won't be able to source it. Thanks in advance for considering this. Cimmerian praetor (talk) 19:05, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Cimmerian praetor, it's true that not every single sentence has to be sourced. However, demands for sourcing have increased in the last few years; this has been the cause of the majority of FA and GA removals. The only things that can go without sources are blatantly obvious details, such as that the sky is blue. (While working on the Czech language article, I left uncited the statement that the name Dvořák contains the letter ř. I did, however, have to cite that this letter is rare outside Czech.) Not only is the fact that the psychological test is rarely requisted not an obvious detail; it's original research. It's perfectly okay to leave the information out if you can't find a source. Tezero (talk) 19:50, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

I have deleted/rewritten that one and added all other necessary citations. The only issue might be with:

Carrying guns in schools and campuses is not prohibited by law and there are no so called "gun-free zones".^[1]

since it is obviously next to impossible to prove that something is not, rather then proving that something is. I have added unspecific citation to the firearms act as a whole, which does not contain any such gun free zones, but feel free to delete it if you are not satisfied with it. I might add a few details here and there, but I think it is ready to go. Thank you for your care! Cimmerian praetor (talk) 16:01, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Eh, it's fine. I've passed the article; nice job, Cimmerian praetor. Tezero (talk) 19:49, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, it is good to be appreciated. Thanks a lot for the review! Cheers! Cimmerian praetor (talk) 21:29, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

But where do we start? URDNEXT (talk) 02:06, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

URDNEXT, I actually don't think there's too much more to go. There's some incorrect citation formatting (e.g. it should be Computer and Video Games [or non-italicized], not Computerandvideogames.com; there's at least one use of "Eurogamer.net"). I don't know offhand if they're recognized at WP:VG/RS, but some sources look questionable, like Metro, Techspot.com, ingame.de, and MCV Pacific. And the sections for the three individual expansions could use more real-world information. But I think those are the main ones. Tezero (talk) 03:03, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

I agree. I'll take on the lead, infobox, expannd the controversy section, and maybe development. What do you think? URDNEXT (talk) 11:21, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

@Czar To be honest, I'm a little worried that the article will quick fail because some of the sentences are copy pasted from Grand Theft Auto V, and IV. Here's the review CRA4ZE did sometime ago when I nominated the article. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Sleeping_Dogs_(video_game)/GA1 He has some points that we haven't adressed in the article yet. URDNEXT (talk) 11:45, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Oh, shoot, URDNEXT, I'd forgotten all about that. Is there some kind of plagiarism checker we can run the three pages through? Tezero (talk) 14:44, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Dupdet does two at a time. Text copied from another article is fine (cc-by-sa) as long as you cite the revision # whence the text came (attribution). czar ♔ 15:08, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

So, what now? @Czar @Tezero URDNEXT (talk) 15:31, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

It's easier to coordinate at the talk page so the notes are in one place, for posterity czar ♔ 15:37, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

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Hey Tezero, how's it going? I was reading some stuff online and stumbled upon this short film that I thought you might like! The link is on vimeo[1], so give it a chance and I'm sure you're gonna like it. See ya, URDNEXT (talk) 22:44, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

URDNEXT, thanks for thinking of me! I've only listened to Neon Bible, so I may not get this, but I'll try to give it a shot anyway. Tezero (talk) 01:38, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Tezero No problem, man. You're one of the first people who treated me well when I first got on the site, so I'm here if you need me. About the video, The Suburbs is Arcade Fire's Ok Computer. You're gonna love it. It's a lot more relatable than Neon too. URDNEXT (talk) 01:43, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Also, tell me what you think of it afterrwards! URDNEXT (talk) 01:57, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Stop encouraging another editor to violate their editing restrictions. If your advice is followed is will lead to sanctions against them (which is an undesirable outcome), and this is considered disruptive editing which can also lead to sanctions against you. Plainly said: it's in nobody's best interest. ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 01:05, 20 August 2014 (UTC) −

Yes, especially since she's taken your bad advice in the past, and then taken it in an even worse direction. Sergecross73 msg me 01:08, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Sergecross73, since my statement was this controversial I don't plan to replicate it, because I don't want to get banned or cause unnecessary stirs. That being said, why was my recommendation that she ask her WikiProjects' members to chime in on her AN "bad advice" if Salvidrim just changed her wording of it, upholding the basic format? You and he seem to get along pretty well. Tezero (talk) 04:19, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

I still think asking the WikiProjects for support was not a good idea, but there was warring over the notifications and I didn't feel like warring so I caved in and let the notifications happen, at the very least making sure they were neutrally-worded. ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 04:39, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Ye, that's pretty much exactly what I would have answered. Sergecross73 msg me 10:32, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

I'm currently rewriting the development sections, and thought it would be a good idea to consult with you on some of the progree I made. The first paragraph is:

The development of Sleeping Dogs began in 2008, a couple of months after its developer, United Front Games was founded. Initially conducted by a team of over 180 people, the game was originally designed as a new IP codenamed, "Black Lotus". It was set to feature a female protagonist modelled after actress Lucy Liu, and would tell the story of an undercover cop infiltrated in the Triads.

What do you think? URDNEXT (talk) 20:51, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

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We need a new caption for File:Leerooy Jenkinsss.jpg! Also, do you want to take this to FA after the review? URDNEXT (talk) 01:42, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

I'm fine with FAC after the review, URDNEXT, but I have one more FAC I'm about to put up tonight, so either nominate it for FA yourself with me as a major contributor, or we can just wait until this one's done.

Also, for future reference, fair-use images are prohibited anywhere on Wikipedia outside the articles they're licensed for. I think it's totally silly (I can't think of a single incident where someone who's known about their work being licensed for use on Wikipedia has cared, and if they did I think they'd demand it be removed altogether rather than just comply to "fair use", but whatever), but it's the rules. You can link to a file rather than embedding it by inserting a colon, like this: [[:File:Leerooy Jenkinsss.jpg]]

But what's wrong with the current caption? Tezero (talk) 01:51, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

It's copy paste from Grand Theft Auto V. Also, I'll nominate the article, just in a couple of weeks so we can have a little break from the article. That way it doesn't get boring and forced. URDNEXT (talk) 01:53, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Hey, I was reading the previous GA review for Sleeping Dogs, and noticed how CR4ZE talked about how the references are missing authors and the CVG/Computer and Video Games/ComputerAndVideoGames.com thing. Do you think the refs are fine now? URDNEXT (talk) 18:27, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

URDNEXT, I've just realized the date format's still inconsistent and many of them are missing authors, though I think the CVG issue's been all fixed. None of this should cause a quickfail, but it should still be done. Tezero (talk) 18:44, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Agree. Half Life 3 confirmed (talk) 19:07, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

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Is everything alright? I just saw that you said you had PTSD, so I got worried. PTSD is a very versious problem that should be treated as soon as possible. Can you can tell me what happened? Did someone you know die, or something? URDNEXT (talk) 02:36, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

URDNEXT, it's not about anyone's death. About three months ago, one of my friends gave me a marijuana joint and I... must've inhaled too hard or something, because after about five seconds of relaxation I was in for what amounted to almost a full day of paranoid delusions. Nothing felt real and in-the-moment, but rather like my memory and sanity were being erased deliberately by a world that was ganging up on me and preparing to torture me for eternity. I was immensely relieved when it finally began to subside, but about a week later I had an attack lasting about an hour while in a waiting room for jury duty (we never got called), I had another one about two weeks ago while parked near a library, and I just had another while packing for college. It's difficult for me to write about this, as it can pounce back on me at any moment and then I feel completely helpless and insane, but it tends to be triggered by thinking about realizing that one is losing one's grip on reality in any form. Thanks for your concern; it helps to know that someone cares and can keep me on earth because part of the primal fear that engulfs me during each attack is that no one is really there at all. Tezero (talk) 02:57, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

I used to have Anxiety attacks. When I had my first attack, I didn't know what anxiety attacks were, so I thought I was dying. It felt like I couldn't breath, swallow saliva, and think about stuff. But the catch is, most of these anxiety, depression, and post tramatic attacks happen because of a subconscious fear that you haven't taken care of, or in your case, a trauma. I found out that the anxiety attacks I used to have were caused because I was too worried about the deadline I had for turning in a couple of songs for a demo I was recording. Becaus of this, I spent the last 6 months procratinating, living with my parents, without making any progress on the demo. I didn't really know what to do with my life. It wasn't till last month that I got serious about my job, and started really working on it. I had to force myself to work as apparently, my body doesn't want to. I noticed that after I asked myself what the problem was, and started working it out, things got a lot better. I stopped having nightmares last week, something I had everyday since November last year. What you need to do is just what I did, ask yourself ehat could have caused this, seek help, or just try to solve it by yourself if it's possible. It sounds simple, but it works. Also, don't forget that there are a lot of people who care about you, and you're not alone in the world. You aren't the first guy in the world that had this, and you probaly won't be the last, unfortunetely. I hate quoting movie lines a lot, but this one just reminds me of this situation. "We can either stay in this dark place, or we can climb out of hell, one inch at a time. Pain is temporary, but glory/happyness lasts forever." Remember this. URDNEXT (talk) 03:19, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Also, I don't want to sound like a teacher, but AVOID DRUGS completely, as they can destroy your life. I know a lot of people whose lifes were destroyed because of drugs, and I don't want you to be one of them. I know college has a lot of this stuff, but I garentee the sooner you take care of this, the less you suffer later in life. Please do this, I want you to be happy, and drugs aren't gonna do anything about it, as they only give you short term pleasure, something you could get for free eating food, playing videogames, or something else. And I don't wanna judge anyone, but stay away from the people in your life who do drugs, because by hanging out with people, you end up getting some of their habbits for yourself. And if you stay aways from them, and they start calling you a fool/fag/or whatever for rejecting using drugs, then they're not your true friends. Exclude all the bad influences in your life, and only keep the good ones. That's how you have a happy life. URDNEXT (talk) 03:29, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Oh, believe me, URDNEXT, I have learned my lesson. It's just that that doesn't mean it'll go away. I know what my fear is when each of them starts: it's that I'm going insane. The problem is that I can't even think about it without just exacerbating the problem, and not thinking about it is difficult as the anxiety hormones are still there, reminding me of what caused them. Tezero (talk) 04:07, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

• Have you tried anxiety pills? I have a friend who took them and stopped having attacks after a week. URDNEXT (talk) 12:53, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Great work! LittleMountain5 21:28, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Congratulations, Tezero! This is huge for you! URDNEXT (talk) 21:32, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, thanks, URDNEXT! It's nice to get something like this when I haven't gotten any GAs or FAs in a while. Tezero (talk) 22:00, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

No problem, also here's another medal for you! URDNEXT (talk) 22:05, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

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• *cringes hard enough to age thirty years* Since when, TonyTheTiger? Tezero (talk) 04:18, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

URDNEXT (talk) 22:07, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

It could reasonably be a GA, though I think it needs more reception yet. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 04:47, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

New Age Retro Hippie, unfortunately I'm not finding anything not already there other than whatever sweet subjectivity can be sapped from these IGN articles. Which... isn't necessarily an obstacle. We're only required to summarize what's there. Hell, one page I started got to FA without a single "real" review. Tezero (talk) 05:33, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Our project's articles are weird like that, isn't it? GamerPro64 01:09, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Hey Tezero- I see you're intrested in Constructed Languages. I wonder if you could help me find references for the Wikipedia article on the Occidental language. I particularly am looking for source to the assertion that the Occidental language became insignifigant with the rise of Interlingua. :) Naytz (talk) 21:26, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Naytz, would either of these help? 1 2 Tezero (talk) 03:48, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

I have the feeling that Snugums is gona pick on the demo paragraoh in marketing release, which is missing a lot of information. I'm currently tackling other parts of the article, so I was wondering if you could expand the paragraph. Thanks! URDNEXT (talk) 22:31, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

URDNEXT, after a quick search I didn't find anything additional to say about it; there usually isn't. Is it even worth mentioning? Many, many games released on Steam have demos. If so, surely it could go into an existent paragraph. Tezero (talk) 04:49, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I'll just remove it. NEXT (talk) 09:50, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

  Please do not add or change content without verifying it by citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you.

Misrepresenting sources also counts as such. 174.19.209.252 (talk) 20:33, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

174.19.209.252, if you'll look at the source, you'll see that the content attributed is there: "Cell phone, for example, has a few interpretations. Some interpret it as "the thing you hold up to your ear, others, "the thing you run around and around with," and others, "the thing you run up to the top of the hill with," referring to the all too common bad reception on the reservation." If you feel this doesn't represent the source, tell me why or reword it yourself, but it's an act of vandalism to remove cited content without justification. Tezero (talk) 20:36, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

  Please stop adding unsourced content. This contravenes Wikipedia's policy on verifiability. If you continue to do so, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Quit your racist assumptions!!! 174.19.209.252 (talk) 20:39, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

What in God's name are you talking about, 174.19.209.252? The fact that the Navajo language has no single word for "cell phone" doesn't mean they're primitive; their language hasn't had wide enough recognition since cell phones have come about to develop a natural word for it. Tezero (talk) 20:41, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

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174.19.209.252, 3RRing is for a single edit or piece of content; my reverts have been for several pieces of content that you've removed or designated unacceptable without reason other than ad-hominems. Tezero (talk) 20:47, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

It's also in pretty bad taste/frowned upon to warn people of edit warring when you're the only other person reverting all of the edits, IP. Sergecross73 msg me 21:31, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Is everything alright? I was worried that you might have gotten blocked. NEXT (talk) 23:11, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, it's fine. An IP kept removing text from the Navajo language article that they felt (incorrectly, I think) was racist under the pretense that (incorrectly, I know) it was uncited. The IP also left standard warning messages on this page for my reverting actions, despite the fact that they did not violate 3RR and were not vandalism. Serge, luckily, gets it. Tezero (talk) 23:19, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

So, that means sarges message was towards you or the other guy? NEXT (talk) 23:21, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Other. Tezero (talk) 23:21, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Sorry for the confusion. Yeah, the bogus warning was from the IP, and I was talking to the IP, not Tezero. (Ironically, URDNEXT's section title for this section initially made me think Tezero hadn't gotten blocked over that stuff or something.) Sergecross73 msg me 01:23, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Oh, alright then! In other news, do you think the Dogs review will take long? NEXT (talk) 23:26, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

It depends on when the reviewer gets back, URDNEXT. I really couldn't say. Tezero (talk) 23:29, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

What do you mean by gets back? Is he on vacation or something? URDNEXT (talk) 23:30, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Well, when SNUGGUMS gets back to the article, URDNEXT. (I just accidentally visited the old GAN and almost had a heart attack.) Tezero (talk) 23:33, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Really? Why? Was it that bad? URDNEXT (talk) 23:36, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

The article Sleeping Dogs (video game) you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold  . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Sleeping Dogs (video game) for things which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of SNUGGUMS -- SNUGGUMS (talk) 04:01, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Hey Tezero! I wanted to see if you could handle the date format problems for me, since as I'm editing on my tablet, I can't open most references to change them. Most of the references are like <ref name="AutoQB-9"/>, which I'm not able to open. URDNEXT (talk) 17:23, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

URDNEXT, I'm on my iPod and can't edit anything but the smallest sections because it always crashes. I'm gonna fix them up when I get back to my laptop, though. Tezero (talk) 18:45, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Alright! I fixed all the remaining issues except for the references. URDNEXT (talk) 19:48, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

The article Sleeping Dogs (video game) you nominated as a good article has passed  ; see Talk:Sleeping Dogs (video game) for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of SNUGGUMS -- SNUGGUMS (talk) 03:02, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

WP:TFA/R is taking nominations for dates through October 14 at the moment, so I removed your nomination. You can add the nomination back later when your proposed date falls in the current range of dates being considered. Imzadi 1979 → 03:54, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, sorry, Imzadi1979, I hadn't noticed. When do you estimate that date will be, though? I wanna pounce. Tezero (talk) 03:56, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

I don't know. Bencherlite advances the date range based on how his scheduling goes. Imzadi 1979 → 03:58, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

Alright, Imzadi1979, do you think coming back around Halloween would be a good benchmark? (Not a commitment; I'm just genuinely wondering.) Tezero (talk) 04:00, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

Through the magic of templates, the date range for TFAR automatically covers the next 30 unscheduled days. I generally schedule about 2 to 3 weeks ahead, so you'll probably be able to put up your nomination sometime in early October. In the meantime, you can add it to WP:TFARP as an aide-memoire. Bencherlite^Talk 10:13, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

We did it, Tezero! Dgs passed GA and I couldn't get any happier! We have to do this more often. URDNEXT (talk) 09:34, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

Do you wanna collaborate again? I have two options that we can tackle, 1001 Spikes which is a really easy GA, or Super Mario Bros. 3 which all it needs for becoming a FA are the reception format, gameplay issues, and copy editing. URDNEXT (talk) 14:45, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

Sure, URDNEXT, I'd like to. Not to negate your options if you'd prefer those, but I was wondering if you'd rather do Super Mario Land or Super Paper Mario - massively multiplatform games can be deceptively difficult to work with, and SMB3, while still improvable, is already a GA and thus probably accessible to the majority of readers. Just a thought. Tezero (talk) 15:04, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

I prefer SMB3 for two reasons. One is because the previous editor tried to take the article to FA last year, and failed. Oh yeah, and the dude retired from the site. I kinda took over the article to finish what the other guy tried to do. And because I really wanna have an FA. URDNEXT (talk) 15:08, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

What do you say? URDNEXT (talk) 15:12, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

Why not Sleeping Dogs as our FA? You already have that undergoing a PR. Tezero (talk) 15:14, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

It would kinda take too long as I'd have to re write the entire development section, change up all the images and copy edit the entire thing. But if you can help me with my draft for develoment, I'll do it. URDNEXT (talk) 15:21, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

So, what's up! How have things been going? URDNEXT (talk) 20:57, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

Alright. I really need to get around to rewriting the grammar sections of my two language articles, which I don't want to do because it's tedious as balls, but I've also never had a GAN failed before and don't want to start now. On the bright side, my parents have recently gotten off my case about an academic issue and I can finally get reasonably excited about the rest of this semester. And tonight I'm probably gonna be showing my two best friends at college the glory that is The Room (or Troll 2; we haven't decided). Tezero (talk) 21:29, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

I recommend either Leprechaun: In the Hood or Leprechaun 4: In Space, two american classics from our times. URDNEXT (talk) 22:01, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

Also, just to mention, I updated the image used in reception for Sleeping Dogs. How do you think it looks? URDNEXT (talk) 23:01, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

I like it. I will say, though, that the resolution of the images has to be reduced to comply with fair-use guidelines. Cut each one to about 50% of its current width and height. Tezero (talk) 23:16, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

Just placed a tag for the pic; as I told you before, I browse on my tablet, so I can't edit the sizes of images. URDNEXT (talk) 23:21, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

Just a quick note to congratulate you on the promotion of Sonic: After the Sequel to FA status recently. If you would like to see this (or any other FA) appear as "Today's featured article" soon (either on a particular date or on any available date), please nominate it at the requests page. If you'd like to see an FA appear on a particular date in the next year or so, please add it to the "pending" list. In the absence of a request, the article may end up being picked at any time (although with about 1,302 articles waiting their turn at present, there's no telling how long – or short! – the wait might be). If you'd got any TFA-related questions or problems, please let me know. Bencherlite^Talk 13:59, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

So I can start working on it by the end of the week. What do you day? URDNEXT (talk) 22:27, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Go ahead, URDNEXT. I'll stop by every so often. Tezero (talk) 22:32, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Great. What we really need, and I'm not sure if you could take care of this, is take a look at the links Blackwing gave me a while ago to gather information for the reception section from back when the game was released. URDNEXT (talk) 22:34, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

I don't have a Highbeam account, so I can't view them. I think czar might, though. Tezero (talk) 22:42, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

I do—it's kind of peripheral coverage, not the main reviews czar ♔ 22:44, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Will it work though? @Czar URDNEXT (talk) 22:51, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) czar, since you're here and Highbeam is the topic of the hour, what's "incorrect" about the Highbeam citation in Sonic X? I may have turned you off with all of those tags back then, but complaints need to be actionable. Tezero (talk) 22:55, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

It's a start. Not sure if it's sufficient until I add all of it. My Labor Day's about over, though, so it might take a bit. Tez, I fixed the Highbeam cite. The page was entered as |page=p. #, which didn't need the "p" but it turns out there was other citation stuff to fix anyway. Didn't scare me away—I just dread having to do the follow-up parts of reviews because I have to set aside time to see what happened and what didn't. Rarely made easy for the reviewer, you know? czar ♔ 23:10, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, it can be a pain. I've done... most if not all of it, I think. Tezero (talk) 23:53, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

I can wait. @Czar URDNEXT (talk) 23:12, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

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I question how helpful this edit was... If you look at Point #3 (Domestic as well as foreign coverage) at WP:VG/RS I think you'll see that we are supposed to provide broad critical coverage in order to enhance reader understanding of the topic and to reduce bias. In the case of the Famitsu score I'd added to the Tony Hawk article that was not only the only Japanese source, but indeed the only source from the Eastern hemisphere of he world. It was also the only source in a language other than English. Now that you removed it we have 5 American websites, an American magazine, a British website, and a British magazine. Hardly a diverse selection. Perhaps if table space is a concern we could think about replacing one of the 5 American websites with the only Japanese source. What do you think? -Thibbs (talk) 01:53, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

You're right, Thibbs; I'll revert my own edit. For the record, I agreed from the start; it just isn't standard practice to include reviews with only a score (I couldn't find the full review), and I think the GA reviewer recommended I remove it (it was actually there before). Tezero (talk) 01:55, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

OK thanks. That's a good point about just a bare score. I'll get to work translating the review to add it to the text portion tomorrow. -Thibbs (talk) 02:12, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Oh, you have it? Nice, Thibbs! I've actually considered making this GA an FA and GAing some other Tony Hawk articles, and this would be massively helpful for the first goal. Considering how popular and high-selling the series is, it's strange that it doesn't have any other high-quality pages on Wikipedia, and it's one of my favorite series of all time. (This is the same reason I got into Sonic articles back in late '08/early '09, though needless to say I think that problem's fixed now.) Tezero (talk) 02:20, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Well I have a "30 point plus" review which is basically a 1-paragraph summary of an earlier Cross Review plus the score. But it had some potentially useful details. Since it was short I just finished translating it this evening instead of waiting for tomorrow. I'll add the relevant material to the article now. Let me know if you want a transcript (in Japanese). And yeah I'm surprised there aren't more high quality Tony Hawk games. I have fond memories of them. -Thibbs (talk) 04:26, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

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I need urgent help finishing the draft for the development section of Dogs. I'm working on the 2nd and last paragraph, but I need help with the first one, since I have no idea how to write a couple of sentences in the prose. Thanks! URDNEXT (talk) 21:15, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Sorry to bother you, by the way. @Tezero URDNEXT (talk) 22:38, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Oh, no, it's fine, URDNEXT. I'm going out to dinner with my roommate now, then we have a video game club get-together and I've got a school project to finish up, but after that I can help. Is this in the actual article or your draftspace? Tezero (talk) 22:43, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

The article. TezeroI just finished the "draft", which has a lot of inconsistencies sure but, I had to rush it because Czar said he'd quit if I didn't finish it by the weekend. Czar, if you're seein this, you can start working on the article now that I finished the draft! I have to go back to work now, so if you can, please fix the erros and tipos I made in the article. And if you could, please copy edit the first and second paragraph of Development, not design, as there are some sentences that screw up the prose. Thanks! URDNEXT (talk) 22:50, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

URDNEXT, I've copyedited the paragraphs you wanted done, but I don't understand why czar couldn't have done it himself if he was copyediting anyway. Tezero (talk) 19:07, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the c/e! Now the section finally looks ready for FA, except for the last paragraph, which I'm finishing right now. Asides from that, I've got a list of things the article is missing, mostly related to the gameplay section. With the progress we're making, I believe the article should be ready to ship to FA tomorrow night. URDNEXT (talk) 19:10, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

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You're an experienced, long term editor. So why do I need to remind you of basic concepts like BRD or "don't make edits until discussion is over"? Sergecross73 msg me 01:59, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Because I apparently need to remind you of basic concepts like BRD (because I revitalized the discussion on the talk) and "discussion is over when you stop making comments", as well as "one person does not form a consensus". Look, if you can rally support from other users to actually form a consensus or provide hard, inarguable evidence why Shadow is a spinoff, go ahead. In fact, maybe we should take this to WT:VG or WT:SEGA, provided we can represent each other's viewpoints fairly. It just seems like you've already decided how you think the template should be and are uninterested in listening to challenges, that's all. Tezero (talk) 02:46, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

We can discuss elsewhere if you want, but until then, it's been in spinoff for years and there isn't a consensus to change it. Sergecross73 msg me 03:02, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Well, I'd like to as there also isn't a consensus for it to be in "spinoffs". I'm asking now at WT:VG for the widest possible audience. Tezero (talk) 03:06, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

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Feel free to yell at me if I haven't started an FAC review for Sonic X within the week; I keep meaning to do so after you source reviewed Secret of Mana for me and then I get distracted. --PresN 23:44, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, PresN! I'll get on those vocal cord exercises tonight. You might also want to take a look at a few sources identified as potentially unreliable at WT:VG/RS; I've summarized the case for each one so I just need someone else to weigh in. In turn, feel free to yell at me if I haven't started an FLC review for the Sega console list within the week. Tezero (talk) 23:47, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

I'm sorry to hear about what happened to your grandfather, I'm sure he is in a better place now. I recently also lost one of my grandmas and it was pretty tough too. It's never easy to lose someone close to you, but know that you can count on me if ou need any help or doubts. Ps.: Don't need to worry about the FAC/GA, these things can wait. URDNEXT (talk) 09:59, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

I too am sorry to hear about your loss. I completely understand the feeling as two years ago my grandfather passed away (only 60) and he was like a father to me... anyway, hope all is well. ☠ Jaguar ☠ 10:16, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

My condolences to you and your family at this time. BOZ (talk) 12:07, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

How's it hanging? URDNEXT (talk) 00:49, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

It's going fine, URDNEXT; thanks for asking! I'd been a little sleep-deprived, but I took a two-hour nap yesterday evening followed by eleven hours of traditional slumber, so I'm quite alright now. Today I've just been shopping with my roommate for a replacement battery for his phone and a TV for us, and now he, I, and three of our other friends are settling in for some League of Legends, possibly some Team Fortress 2 (we're trying to get the others into it - I wanna play Soldier today), and maybe watching the Yu-Gi-Oh! movie. I suppose when we return to our room I'll have to study for a Japanese test on Tuesday and start knocking out the last few points of the Czech article's GAN, but for now I'm enjoying messing around. Anything of note on your own windshield? Tezero (talk) 00:55, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Good to see that you're recovering from what happened to your grandad, and that you're enjoying life more and hanging out with your friends, that's always a good thing. For me, I've been trying to write a song since yesterday, but due to procastination, I still haven't made progress in it. At least Sleeping Dogs is getting better and better with time, and hopefully, we'll be able to nominate it before the end of the week. URDNEXT (talk) 01:02, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

I've responded/changed/commented on all the issues you brought up at the FAN. Thanks for helping out!--Gen. Quon (Talk) 02:24, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

I added a paragraph to gameplay with the shooting mechanics stuff but found two problems with it. 1: It's copy pasted from GTA 5. 2: It doesn't have any citations. Is there any way you can add sources to it? I'm handling the copy paste problems roght now, and don't have an idea of what to source it to. URDNEXT (talk) 13:52, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

As far as gameplay is concerned, you'd probably be better off asking someone good at trimming, like Czar. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 23:41, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Do you watch/read Game of Thrones? URDNEXT (talk) 01:32, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Regrettably no, URDNEXT; my experience of it is limited to seeing a couple episodes at a friend's house circa 2012. The only shows I've kept up with at all during the past couple years are Breaking Bad, Kill la Kill, and for a short time Attack on Titan; I don't watch much TV. Why do you ask? Tezero (talk) 01:36, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

I was wondering if you liked the show. By the way, am I the only one who misses Breaking Bad? I hope Better Call Saul can hold its own ground. URDNEXT (talk) 09:57, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

I'd like to see it eventually, URDNEXT, but technically I never finished BB, heh. (My two closest friends last year and I only watched it when we all could together - and then more often than not we wanted to play Brawl, Sly Cooper, Sonic Colors, TF2, and stuff like that - I'm still early on in season three). It's like how I bought the seventh Harry Potter book when it came out but never actually finished it until the movie was nigh so I forced myself to read the whole thing. For now, I really dig Saul as a character. Tezero (talk) 11:26, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

I'd like to see more of his story. URDNEXT (talk) 16:14, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback on the AKB48 article on GOCE. Unfortunately, the Concept section is the one I've been trying the most to present neutrally as it contains a lot of idol business specific jargon like how the auditions, graduations, elections and other gimmicks they put together work. The musical style section I listed as presented by the journalists instead of fans. I agree the history is rather dry with the timeline like presentation, but it was even more dreadful when it included every single member change across groups and graduations as well as stats about how it's yet another number one that sold over a million singles and extended their streak to umpteen in a row, beating out some other group in some record. The article was a hotbed for some editors, so major restructuring was initially met with lots of resistance as you can see by the talk pages. -AngusWOOF (talk) 23:59, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Hey Tezero, would you kind helping me with a little thing? I'm starting Batman: Under the Red Hood from the ground up, but I'm running into problems with the voice cast section. I want the images frame in the section to look like the images frame to look exactly they do in Frozen (2013 film), but I can't seem to fix the image sizes to fit in the overall frame. My draft is at sandbox. Sorry for the typos, I'm almost asleep. URDNEXT (talk) 02:12, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

URDNEXT, it doesn't look from the Frozen article like there's any special, magical way to get them aligned; you just have to go by trial and error with the various image sizes. Unfortunately, unlike with Frozen, all of the pictures have roughly the same height-to-width ratio so it's difficult to align five without extra space. Have you considered adding a sixth picture or removing one? Tezero (talk) 02:55, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

I'll try to remove one then. By the way, do you have a method for writing critical receptions like the one you did in Sleeping Dogs? URDNEXT (talk) 09:35, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

URDNEXT, ever since Shadow the Hedgehog back in 2009, I've done it by picking the most common issues raised by reviewers, either positive or negative, and building each into a paragraph summarizing the major opinions formed about it. Of course, if one or two critics feel strongly about an issue no one else mentions, often I'll add that, too. I like this method more than the reviewer-by-reviewer organization because it's less haphazard. (Well, there's one exception I know of: Freedom Planet uses reviewer-by-reviewer, but that's because I haven't gotten word yet on which of the reviews are considered reliable, so I don't want to waste time organizing it by issue until I find that out.) Tezero (talk) 14:34, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

I'll definetely use this method. Thanks! URDNEXT (talk) 16:21, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi, Tezero. Thanks for your support of Master System for FA. Would you be willing to put your comments at Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Master_System/archive1 in a {{resolved comments}} template? Given how long this review page is already, I think it would help to keep things organized and help the FAC delegates at the end. Thank you, Red Phoenix ^{let's talk...} 15:09, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Do you have any idea of when you're gonna be available to help with the Sleeping Dogs FAC? URDNEXT (talk) 21:54, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Whenever it's open, except about October 2 to 5 (a liberal estimate) and either the 16th or the 18th (don't remember). Tezero (talk) 22:02, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Ok, screw it. Let's just nominate the article now. URDNEXT (talk) 22:03, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

It looks like Sonic X will finish up soon (basically, as soon as czar or someone else confirms the source reliability assessments and I remove the one source designated as unreliable - there are already 3 supports and an image review), so I actually may be able to co-nominate it with you if that's determined necessary, though I'm thinking of putting Tony Hawk's Underground through soon as I can't think of anything left to do there. Regarding Sleeping Dogs, has Development been attributed to all the right sources per czar's concerns? Tezero (talk) 22:12, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Yes. That's why Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Sleeping Dogs (video game)/archive1 exists. Add yourself as a nominator please. I don't know how to do it myself. URDNEXT (talk) 22:13, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

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• Congrats, and well done. There is one outstanding issue you need to fix though, the question of the Stankiewicz 1986 ref. I can't fix it since I dont have the book. Best. User:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 20:28, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Well, as long as you can write a good FUR, here you go [[File:Sleeping Dogs - Hong Kong.jpg. URDNEXT (talk) 11:24, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

• Also, can you do that ef 69, 70, 71 thing Jaguar mentioned, because I have no idea what to do with it. URDNEXT (talk) 11:26, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

Need your help at the FAC urgent! URDNEXT (talk) 21:54, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Do you know when you're gonna be available for copy editing the artcle? I'm afraid that you and Czar don't have time to work on it. URDNEXT (talk) 23:44, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Saturday might be the best. I'm pretty busy until then, although I'll sporadically be on Wikipedia still. Tezero (talk) 23:46, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Damn. I have no idea how the copy editing thing will turn out then. I have contacted some editors to see if they can help, but nothing is for certain. URDNEXT (talk) 23:51, 24 September 2014 (UTC)