Talk:OSCE Minsk Group
 | This article is rated Start-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Unreferenced
editThe text needs a reference and citations --Philip Baird Shearer 08:56, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- Hi. I provided references for the info used in the article. Regards, Grandmaster 09:18, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Relevancy
editSince the 44 day Karabakh war which ended with Russia's mediation and resulted in liberation of most of occupied territories, the relevancy of OSCE Minsk Group has gone under the question, within the region and conflicting parties. I suggest this article need to address this fact. Zaman (talk) 08:14, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
- I suggest keeping the language neutral in discussions as well (it may be "liberation" in Azerbaijan, but not for the other side of the conflict or international community). I understand after president Aliyev's speech a few days ago the impression in Azerbaijan is that the the group no longer is alive but it is unilateral view which a Wikipedia article cannot adhere to. --Armatura (talk) 19:54, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
eating well and living in hotels trivia for criticism
editGrandmaster, you reverted my edit without opening a discussion thread. What's the "importance" of the one of the Group co-chair's memoirs of eating well in restaurants and sleeping well in nice hotels that you are so keen to keep? It's clearly a trivia (as if there is any politician who eats poorly and sleeps in the street), and it does nothing but artificially throwing dirt on peace group's reputation using a politicised language (something Azerbaijani government-sponsored media does methodically on daily basis). How does your addition speak in NPOV language or meet Wikivoice? Shall we go in other trivia of the politicians of the group, maybe family lives or sexual lives?? --Armatura (talk) 19:50, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
- It is an important point made by a former Minsk Group co-chair, and not just by someone from outside. It is not throwing dirt or anything, it is pretty much commonly admitted now that this group was a total failure. 30 years of mediation with no results whatsoever. In Wikipedia we do not censor information, even if it does not show a certain organization in good light. Grandmaster 09:17, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
- no WP:CPUSH please. it is mud throwing, and if it is done by former disillusioned member who no does not give a dime now, it does not mean that that mud is wide consensus or notable to include. For active organisations, we have to be as careful as with bios of living persons, just remember how you were defending Eurovision Azerbaijan 2021 representative Efendi from anything that could besmirch her reputation (even though verifiable) and you will understand, unless double standards are used. Removed the emotional "living well" UNDUE phrase (as if there is any politician who lives poorly), leaving the little accomplished in place, which is what's really relevant --Armatura (talk) 00:14, 20 January 2022 (UTC).
- It is not mud throwing, it is an important insight by a co-chair, not some guy on the street. I suggest we ask a third opinion. Grandmaster 09:29, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
- no WP:CPUSH please. it is mud throwing, and if it is done by former disillusioned member who no does not give a dime now, it does not mean that that mud is wide consensus or notable to include. For active organisations, we have to be as careful as with bios of living persons, just remember how you were defending Eurovision Azerbaijan 2021 representative Efendi from anything that could besmirch her reputation (even though verifiable) and you will understand, unless double standards are used. Removed the emotional "living well" UNDUE phrase (as if there is any politician who lives poorly), leaving the little accomplished in place, which is what's really relevant --Armatura (talk) 00:14, 20 January 2022 (UTC).
The OSCE Minsk Group is effectively defunct
editAfter the rest of Nagorno-Karabakh was taken over by Azerbaijan in late September/early October of 2023, the OSCE Minsk Group, which was established to solve the conflict, has been rendered defunct. One could argue that it became defunct after the end of the Second Nagorno-Karabakh War with the ceasefire and provisions agreed by Azerbaijan, Armenia, Russia. That the OSCE Minsk Group is for all purposes dead, needs to be mentioned in the article. Multituberculata (talk) 07:34, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
- While MG did not make any official declarations on ceasing to exist, it has been inactive since 2020 war, and after Russia's invasion of Ukraine the co-chairs stopped any communication among themselves (i.e. USA and France have no communication with Russia and vice versa). The Russian foreign minister openly stated that the MG was dead. And well-known analysts like Paul Goble talk about "suspension, if not complete collapse" of the MG [1]. Also, Azerbaijan stated that it is not interested in any negotiations in this format. So I agree that the MG is pretty much dead, and we could probably cite the opinions of analysts who consider the MG to be defunct, and say the MG is believed by analysts to be suspended/inactive, etc. Grandmaster 10:04, 2 January 2024 (UTC)