Talk:List of governors of Pennsylvania

I have to quibble with the designation of Thomas Mifflin as a Federalist. He certainly was at odds with the Washington administration from about 1792 onwards; his opponent in 1790 was Arthur St Clair, who was an arch-Federalist and was the preferred candidate of a number of leading Philadelphia Federalists. Moreover, although Mifflin supported the ratification of the Federal Constitution, the Federalist/Anti-Federalist division in the ratification debate was not a party split; in Pennsylvanian politics, Mifflin was a Constitutionalist (whose supporters largely opposed ratification of the constitution.)

Democratic-Republican isn't an ideal designation, either, because the party grows somewhat and only really has a "Republican designation" in 1793/4, and even then took a while to become institutionalised, even in Pennsylvania. I suggest either making Mifflin unassigned, or "Anti-Administration", which is used to describe Congressmen elsewhere.

Superken 23:20, 1 April 2007 (UTC)SuperkenReply

No-one has come back to me on this one; I have edited the list to give Mifflin no party affiliation. I will add a further note in due course if no-one else says anything.

Superken 22:39, 9 April 2007 (UTC)SuperkenReply

I have to question whether or not Mark Single should be included on this list.

Single was only acting governor for a few months. Unlike with Ridge, Casey never really resigned. He just temporarily stepped down due to health issues.

The list of governors on the Pennsylvania Historical and Museum Commission does not include Single. Check their list of past governors at http://www.phmc.state.pa.us/bah/dam/governors/overview.asp?secid=31

I would think that would be a good argument for not including him here.

WayneNight 04:12, 16 March 2006 (UTC)Reply

Because no one responded to my post on the discussion page, I removed Single from the list of governors. I made note of Single serving as acting governor with Casey in the same way that the List of Governors of Maryland page notes that Blair Lee III served as acting governor for Marvin Mandel. Please notice that the Maryland Governors list does not include Lee, even though he served as acting governor of Maryland for a longer period of time than Single served as acting governor of Pennsylvania. Also take note of the fact that the Pennsylvania Democratic Party webpage does not include Single on its own list of former Democratic governors. For proof of this, go to: http://www.padems.com/index1024.html, click on "features" and then look at their list of former governors. WayneNight 20:35, 26 March 2006 (UTC)Reply

Souled In (talk) 00:52, 4 November 2019 (UTC)Sorry. I do not know how to correctly comment. I wanted to say though, that you have listed no criteria for defining the duration of being in a "acting" position to be included in a list, and your duration listed as "a few months" is not very clear or using any defined criteria. When I look at the Secretary of Air Force list, all acting members, sometimes several in a row, are included. All three sources you have linked to are not working. Lastly, you misspelled the name. It is Singel. -SouledInReply

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How come there is not a section on Colonial Governors (and their deputies)? Are they not Governors of Pennsylvania? For example: William Penn and one of his deputies Samuel Carpenter How did this get missed? Having information going back to the founding of Pennsylvania is required for this article. Jrcrin001 (talk) 01:38, 11 July 2009 (UTC)Reply

The other governor lists focus on the state governors and, if applicable, the territorial governors. They only go back as far as the region was part of the United States, though. The pre-United States governors of California, Hawaii, Alaska, Louisiana, etc. are contained in separate articles from their governor lists. With the 13 colonies, that rule was continued, going only as far back as the independent government, rather than when it was a British holding. The pre-statehood governors of Pennsylvania are contained in another article which is linked from this article. --Golbez (talk) 04:30, 11 July 2009 (UTC)Reply

Cool! I missed that link and this article is "First Class! List of colonial governors of Pennsylvania

Jrcrin001 (talk) 07:42, 23 July 2009 (UTC)Reply

We have a page United States Senate election in Pennsylvania, 2010, but not a "Governor of Pennsylvania election in Pennsylvania, 2010". Why not?--DThomsen8 (talk) 16:56, 18 February 2010 (UTC)Reply

Because you looked for the wrong name. Pennsylvania gubernatorial election, 2010 --Golbez (talk) 17:03, 18 February 2010 (UTC)Reply

Thank you for that explanation. I have added a link in the "See also" section of this article, for those like me looking for that article. --DThomsen8 (talk) 21:02, 18 February 2010 (UTC)Reply

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Why is that?Arglebargle79 (talk) 20:03, 24 November 2019 (UTC)Reply

List of governors of Pennsylvania § The Governor's Residence appears to have been added in Special:Diff/678160356 by User:Pa-governor at 18:44 UTC, 27 August 2015, as a direct quotation of the whole of the body text of a page [1] of a website named "Pennsylvania Politicals" that has a footer that says Copyright [...] All rights reserved.

In the following two revisions of the article, Pa-governor (in Special:Diff/678162272 at 18:58 and then fixing syntax in Special:Diff/678168723 at 19:39) added the in-text attribution Courtesy of Pennsylvania Politicals: and then (in Special:Diff/678175101 at 20:21) added the more specific (though less clear about the linked page being the source) See Also Governor's Residence via Pennsylvania Politicals; between these revisions, Pa-governor tweaked the wording of the section (Special:Diff/678169148 at 19:42 and Special:Diff/678169359 at 19:43, turning it from a direct quotation into a close paraphrase), added more external links to Pennsylvania Politicals in the sections "See also" (Special:Diff/678174774 at 20:19) and "External links" (Special:Diff/678174894 at 20:20), and changed Courtesy of to From (Special:Diff/678173139 at 20:09).

User:InternetArchiveBot changed the external link in the See Also attribution to an archival version [2] in Special:Diff/838859697 (19:07, 29 April 2018) and likewise changed the link in the From attribution to [3] in Special:Diff/944767169 (20:24, 9 March 2020). The last working, non-usurped archived version of the Pennsylvania Politicals website appears to be [4] from 2017.

I'm deleting the section "The Governor's Residence" under WP:COPYVIO. Of course, the section is not necessarily a copyright violation, as it is possible that Pa-governor is the author of the text on the late Pennsylvania Politicals website; I note Pa-governor's repeated insertion of external links to Pennsylvania Politicals, both as aforementioned and in revisions such as Special:Diff/678155719 and Special:Diff/678156763.

For this article to have a section on the governor's residence seems anyway redundant with the article Pennsylvania Governor's Residence, which is linked from this article's infobox. However, it may be reasonable to expand Pennsylvania Governor's Residence with the information from Pennsylvania Politicals (citing it in the proper way).

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I don't think I've handled COPYVIO before... should I really request revdel of almost six years of edit history...? —2d37 (talk) 09:10, 28 June 2021 (UTC)Reply

@Golbez: You may recall, we had a recent RFC to delete trivial info from 'list of office' pages. However an IP here, refuses to abide by the result of that RFC. GoodDay (talk) 17:01, 11 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

Most likely the same individual who was causing trouble over at the List of governors of Oregon pages. I believe eventually, a range block will be required. GoodDay (talk) 17:57, 11 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

Yep. I'm sure someone else will clean this up at some point, but I'm terminally over it. I'll just keep reverting til someone stops one of us. --Golbez (talk) 18:48, 11 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

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