Talk:Lionel Messi/Archive 28

I am not a CR7 fan or a person showing bias, but hasn't Messi only won 3 UCLS? The 2005/06 UEFA Champions League campaign does not count since he was not on the Champions League squad 2406:3003:2002:2D79:F85A:96C:9190:1DD7 (talk) 07:46, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Yes but this was recently discussed and people came to the consensus that he should be listed with 4 CLs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Lionel_Messi/Archive_27#New_Note_on_CL_honours_section --FMSky (talk) 18:15, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

It wouldn't be too difficult to note that he did not play in the 2005-06 final, surely? Black Kite (talk) 18:34, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Was also discussed in above discussion and apparently it should not be mentioned --FMSky (talk) 18:35, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Hmph. It would actually be more accurate to mention it (even if only in the stats section at the bottom of the page), regardless of what the fanboys think. This is not a Messi fanpage. Black Kite (talk) 18:40, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Agree --FMSky (talk) 18:40, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

There are a lot of players who didn't play in the final. For example, Pele played two matches at the 1962 World Cup, he was injured in the match against Czechoslovakia and had to sit out the rest of the tournament.

Why do we mention it here and ignore other players? Annh07 (talk) 18:55, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

That wasnt in the CL though. UEFA apparently has these rules about CL titles. A note should actually be added to every player that fits this criteria --FMSky (talk) 18:56, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

If those are UEFA rules can you provide the source? The source you provided in the last discussion is just a statistic.

Can you list all the players that fit this criteria? Can you guarantee that there will be no errors? The number of players is huge because Champions League has gone through seven decades.

In addition, there is no guarantee that there will be no controversy when adding notes to players' articles. Most articles are not protected, anyone can remove notes at any time. Annh07 (talk) 19:39, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

It wouldn't be difficult to do, but would come across as amazingly petty and mean spirited. You get players who have league title medals, who barely start a game all season. That's because it's a team/squad sport. And where does it end - suddenly Roy Keane and Paul Scholes have an Asterix against their name because they never played in the final? And it would also have to be applied to all sports. People do didn't appear in the Superbowl, and the NBA finals and son on 147.161.143.72 (talk) 14:09, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Messi is the Most decorated player in the history of football. 103.177.122.234 (talk) 03:56, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Add filmography Messi's World Cup The rise of a legend Apple Tv+ 4 part documentary series with imdb rating 8.4/10 2409:408D:485:17CC:DBAA:6A2A:903F:43BA (talk) 11:03, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Messi is the first top footballer to openly support a memecoin by promoting Watercoin on his Instagram page, which supports social projects for gaining clean drinking water in developing countries. 185.46.130.220 (talk) 19:16, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Just change the international goals from 108 to 109 since he scored against Canada. That’s all 173.2.216.251 (talk) 02:14, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

  Done Annh07 (talk) 02:23, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Change “108 international appearances” at the top of the page to “109 international appearances.” I don’t know how the editor missed that part — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leopavon02 (talk • contribs) 03:37, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

  Done Annh07 (talk) 03:47, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Messi is the first top footballer to openly support a memecoin by promoting Watercoin on his Instagram page, which supports social projects for gaining clean drinking water in developing countries. 185.46.130.220 (talk) 19:10, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

  Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Ligaturama (talk) 17:24, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Update 43 trophies to 44 as he has just won the Copa America again FloridaMan21 (talk) 04:41, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

  Done Annh07 (talk) 04:52, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

2600:1006:B047:4C0C:0:69:29AA:1C01 (talk) 20:20, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

MLS All-Star 2024

  Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Charliehdb (talk) 07:18, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

The sentence "At the 2022 FIFA World Cup, Messi led Argentina to its first World Cup victory." is incorrect. It was the 3rd world cup Argentina won 136.62.48.117 (talk) 23:53, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

  Done Mazewaxie (talk • contribs) 09:44, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

2601:641:8000:2AF0:FBC4:33D1:125F:3292 (talk) 02:50, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

change the names of the section from Paris Saint-Germain This section is empty. You can help by adding to it. (July 2024) to Paris Saint-Germain, Inter Miami This section is empty. You can help by adding to it. (July 2024) to I Inter Miami, and International career This section is empty. You can help by adding to it. (July 2024) to International career

  Done Mazewaxie (talk • contribs) 09:46, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi. I have started this discussion regarding Lionel Messi's career trophies. I'm pinging some users here Black Kite, GiantSnowman, Guyrichtheman, Idiosincrático, Joseph2302, MatthewNewHouse, Muur, Oahid, PeeJay, Sadsadas, Stevie fae Scotland, 750h+, AirshipJungleman29, Jtbobwaysf, Yotrages, Annh07, and Mediocre Legacy. Mazewaxie (talk • contribs) 07:17, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Look at Lionel Messi#Honours for the Supercopa de España note, he also won the 2005 Supercopa de España. However, this particular trophy is not credited here since Messi was out of the squad and did not feature in any of the two games against Real Betis, and therefore did not receive a medal. Guyrichtheman (talk) 07:31, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

I wrote the note myself... my point is that according to this article published on 13 August 2005 (the day of the first leg of the final) by Mundo Deportivo, Messi was in fact called up for the game, making him eligible to receive a medal. Mazewaxie (talk • contribs) 07:59, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Why have I been pinged? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:37, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Ditto??? GiantSnowman 19:52, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

GiantSnowman and AirshipJungleman29 I pinged some users active on this page to get you involved. I'm sorry if that was inappropriate. Mazewaxie (talk • contribs) 06:31, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

I made two comments on this page in January. See WP:INAPPNOTE—excessive pings are Wikipedia's equivalent of spam emails. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:28, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Me three. I also think this subject is a bit of naval gazing and OR focused. Just let it be. Jtbobwaysf (talk) 21:48, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

I don't se why this would be OR, since Mundo Deportivo is one of the most reputable sports newspaper in Spain. In the article I linked it mentions Messi as a substitute in the match, and it even shows a picture of Messi travelling with the team for the first leg in Sevilla. Mazewaxie (talk • contribs) 06:34, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

You shouldn't have pinged us though, that's useless. Guyrichtheman (talk) 06:46, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

This again? Messi was not a substitute in either match, per the official Barcelona website. [1] [2] (and every other contemporary report). Black Kite (talk) 10:42, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

@Black Kite: Addendum: the Royal Spanish Football Federation, the governing body of football in Spain and the organising body of the Supercopa de España, officially states that "Lionel Messi is the competition's all-time leading scorer and most successful player with eight titles". Mazewaxie (talk • contribs) 08:11, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

That doesn't make sense. Remember, for those who are in the squad for the 2005 Supercopa de España will get the medal, Messi was not in the squad either. Even though you wrote the note why do you think he has 45 trophies? Guyrichtheman (talk) 09:06, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

I don't think he has 45 trophies. I think he has 44 that are 100% sure, and the 2005 Supercopa de España remains a foggy subject. He was on the bench according to Mundo Deportivo, and the newspaper even shows a picture of him and Deco travelling to Sevilla for the first leg. I mean, FC Barcelona, Inter Miami, Major League Soccer and most importantly FIFA and the Royal Spanish Football Federation (the latter assigns the trophy), all attribute it to him. We can't ignore all that, especially the Royal Spanish Football Federation. Who better than them could know how many trophies should be attributed to a player? Mazewaxie (talk • contribs) 09:22, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

You will note that Mundo Deportivo gives 8 substitutes for each team when only 7 were allowed. Miguel Angel appears on their list for Betis but was not on the bench. I suspect each club took one extra player in case someone got injured in the warm-up (for example), and I wouldn't be surprised if it is this that has caused so much confusion. It's not really a "foggy subject" - he didn't play, but FCB decided in their wisdom that for some reason he should be credited with it even if he didn't get a medal, and all the other sources that you mention have followed. Black Kite (talk) 09:49, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

I agree that most media outlets followed FCB, but the Royal Spanish Football Federation is a whole another story. How could that be explained? Mazewaxie (talk • contribs) 10:01, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

Occam's Razor suggests the most likely reason is that they got their information from FCB (or a media organization parroting them) as well. Black Kite (talk) 10:51, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

It could be, but it would be unlikely in my opinion. It would be useful to find another document by the RFEF that mentions how many supercups Messi has won, if it's out there. Mazewaxie (talk • contribs) 12:07, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

I request that the editors add the number of each type of trophy inside brackets under the Honours section.

For example, changing:

La Liga: 2004–05, 2005–06, 2008–09, 2009–10, 2010–11, 2012–13, 2014–15, 2015–16, 2017–18, 2018–19

to

La Liga (10): 2004–05, 2005–06, 2008–09, 2009–10, 2010–11, 2012–13, 2014–15, 2015–16, 2017–18, 2018–19

Could you do this for every type of trophy so it is easier to count the total? 81.104.80.12 (talk) 16:04, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Who needs to put the amount of each type of trophy inside brackets anyway? If you cannot count the total of trophies it will be your problem. Guyrichtheman (talk) 06:50, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

  Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit extended-protected}} template. Left guide (talk) 00:20, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

In June of 13 of 2009 messi played with a athletic Madrid kit for a charity match and idk if that counts like a game and if I does count that means tha he played for athletic Madrid 2A02:587:2D10:B300:A454:A04E:BFC6:FC95 (talk) 14:26, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

It was a charity match, so it does not count. Mazewaxie (talk • contribs) 10:58, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello everyone, main image on the English Wiki page of Lionel Messi has a very low resolution. (cropped)

Please

Change: Lionel-Messi-Argentina-2022-FIFA-World-Cup (cropped).jpg

To: Lionel-Messi-Argentina-2022-FIFA-World-Cup sharpness.jpg

• both are the same image but with different resolutions* THIAGOW13 (talk) 21:53, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

  Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit extended-protected}} template. From what I can see, you just upscaled the image using AI. I think "lower-quality but accurate" is better than "less accurate but higher-quality" here. Bsoyka (t • c • g) 01:23, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Should be mentioned in the lead 2A02:14F:17B:50D1:942:1155:F2E7:D18B (talk) 20:31, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Messi did not play in the 05-06 UCL final, this should be noted in the Honours section. Jaboiiiee (talk) 03:16, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

The lead should include the markable achievement of Messi as the only player in history to "complete football" by winning every major team and individual title with both club and country. 2A02:14F:17B:50D1:942:1155:F2E7:D18B (talk) 20:36, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

There is no such thing as “completing football”

Even if there were..

-He has not won the Bundesliga, Premier League, etc at club level

-He has not won the Puskas Award

-He never won the Confederations Cup with Argentina.

That is without even touching the “only” portion of your assertion. Jaboiiiee (talk) 03:30, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Messi in the year 2023 won the Copa America leading Argentina to the feat. 103.184.87.56 (talk) 12:42, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

it is 2021 it is written accidentally 2023 103.184.87.56 (talk) 12:44, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

  Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. It's possible the request has already been completed - I couldn't see that text, but it's a large article – macaddct1984 ^{(talk | contribs)} 13:49, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Messi has won the Champions League three times – in 2009, 2011 and 2015 (all with Barcelona). He was also a regular for the Spanish club when they won the trophy in 2006 but was not part of their squad for the final. Here is the source👇

https://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/news/0242-0e97e0ac1cb3-eef786ff788c-1000--lionel-messi-what-records-does-he-hold/ Sikho 2005 (talk) 18:49, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Playing in the final is not relevant in receiving a medal. Stop this nonsense. Mazewaxie (talk • contribs) 11:10, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

It is not me but UEFA rules nonsense. 105.245.172.249 (talk) 13:24, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Read this article in the link 105.245.172.249 (talk) 13:25, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Add Information About The Messi Experience World Tour Ventures 2409:408D:116:6811:CE97:832B:2CD5:715F (talk) 04:01, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

The main picture in the page is from 2022 which is a lot of time ago and is not good enough, an inter miami pic will fix it יהונתן סמט (talk) 04:16, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

The international section needs to be updated properly after yesterday's appearance and goals. The attempted edit was botched and the table now doesn't congrue. Volound (talk) 04:38, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

The page summary still lists 45 team trophies. He has 46(the most recent one being the Supporters Shield with Inter Miami 2024. https://www.marca.com/en/football/mls/2024/10/17/67114a96e2704e02a38b4590.html https://apnews.com/article/lionel-messi-mls-miami-columbus-0fcdbeab716cb05dcf99a76dc235dccc 173.14.184.237 (talk) 22:12, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Change tax fraud for Legal issues. In the articles of other athletes with tax problems it says "Legal issues" It's unfair, just because Messi's case has been more popular. For example, Cristiano Ronaldo's article says "Legal issues" and the sentence was higher. I propose changing to Legal issues. FrancoFernandez833 (talk) 18:11, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

  Not done for now: The case between section titling varies among Wikipedia pages. In Cristiano_Ronaldo#Legal_issues, that section not only provides information on tax evasion but also rape allegations. On the other hand, Lionel_Messi#Tax_fraud is accurate, as it describes the only legal issue currently recorded on this Wikipedia page, which is tax fraud. Should substantial coverage reflect on other issues, then the subtopic’s title can be changed to Legal issues. 𝚈𝚘𝚟𝚝 (𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔𝚟𝚝) 18:41, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

According to the note, indeed, his full name is LIONEL ANDRÉS MESSI CUCCITINI. Why it not added to the article? Fikri Nurfadillah Rahma (talk) 05:45, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Please provide a source for your proposed change. Britmax (talk) 22:09, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Change: "It was speculated that he failed to be signed into River Plate due to his ill health, however in a 2019 interview, Messi revealed that the club had offered to pay for his medical treatment despite ultimately rejecting him."

To: "It was speculated that he failed to sign with River Plate due to his ill health; however, in a 2019 interview, Messi revealed that River Plate had offered to pay for his medical treatment after he impressed at a trial by scoring four goals. River wanted to sign him, but Newell's Old Boys, who had refused to pay for his treatment, also refused to release his player card, preventing the transfer."

Reason: The current statement is incorrect. In the 2019 interview with Fox Sports Argentina, Messi clearly stated that River Plate wanted him, offered to pay for his treatment, and asked him to bring his player card to finalize the transfer. However, the transfer did not occur because Newell's Old Boys refused to release his player card, as they didn’t want to lose Messi to River Plate. While the article referenced (Reference #34) is correctly cited in the Wikipedia page, the information currently presented does not accurately reflect what is said in the article. This is discussed in the Sports Illustrated article (Reference #34): https://www.si.com/soccer/2019/06/02/leo-messi-revelo-el-motivo-por-el-que-no-ficho-por-river-plate. DEC182022 (talk) 22:35, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

• Request moved from archive for further consideration -OXYLYPSE (talk) 23:49, 10 November 2024 (UTC)