Talk:Hammerton Killick

Here are three book sources that discuss Killick:

• Liberty, Fraternity, Exile: Haiti and Jamaica after Emancipation
• From Dessalines to Duvalier: Race, Colour, and National Independence in Haiti
• Haiti: The Aftershocks of History

I hope these are helpful. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:25, 30 January 2015 (UTC)Reply

The info box says July 23, 1902, but Venezuelan crisis of 1902–03 pegs the incident that lead to his death in September of 1902, as does SMS Panther. So; um; yeah. He can't have died on July 23. But those other two articles don't have specific dates in September. So, when did he die?~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 16:07, 30 January 2015 (UTC)Reply

The source that has been cited for basically the entire article pegs it at September 6th, so I've changed the infobox. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 16:14, 30 January 2015 (UTC)Reply

Thank you User:ONUnicorn ! I guess I put that down wrong =D. 16:48, 30 January 2015 (UTC)Reply

So, someone should wander off somewhere with old issues of the New York Times on microfilm; or someone with a NYT subscription could check these out. I can only see the first paragraph for free, but these look like good sources to expand this article still further.

• September 26, 1943 entitled "HAITI STAMP FOR DEFIER OF GERMANS" about Haiti honoring Killick with a postage stamp. [1]
• September 9, 1902, "GERMAN ACT IN HAITI PERHAPS UNJUSTIFIED; But Is Not Likely to Lead to a Dispute with This Country. Official Reports of the Sinking of the Crete-a-Pierrot by the German Gunboat Panther." [2]
• September 11, 1902 "'Admiral' Killick" [3]
• September 11, 1902 "KILLICK WENT DOWN WITH HIS WARSHIP; He Fired the Crete-a-Pierrot's After Magazine." [4]
• Article from several years before his death that may shed some light on his earlier life - July 3, 1898 "ADMIRAL KILLICK RETURNS.; Absent Nineteen Days on a Voyage to the Island of Navassa." [5]
• May 15, 1902 "BATTLE IN HAITI EXPECTED.; Engagement Between Northern and Southern Forces May Be Fought Today -- Alarm Among Foreigners." [6]
• July 13, 1902 "SITUATION IN HAITI.; Admiral Loses His Commission for Disobeying the New Government." [7]
• July 7, 1902 "The acting President has sent a communication to the Diplomatic Corps declaring that Admiral Killick is a pirate and asking that the naval vessels of foreign countries capture him wherever found." [8]
• August 3, 1902 "ON THE EVE OF REVOLUTION; The Preliminary Fighting in the Streets of Port-au-Prince -- Fusillades of Musketry from Soldiers of Contending Parties -- Cabinet Minister Who Attends a Voodoo Church -- Admiral Killick Runs Off with the Navy -- How He Defied the Authorities." [9]
• August 6, 1902 "ANOTHER HAITIAN GOVERNMENT; Firmin Proclaims Himself President and Forms a Ministry -- The Machias to Stay at Cape Haitien." [10]

There are several more, but those look to be the most promising. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 17:13, 31 January 2015 (UTC)Reply

I'm going to check this book out of the library when I get a chance. Killick is discussed on pages 291, 307-310, 328, 329, 332. Heinl, Robert Debs (1996). Written in blood : the story of the Haitian people, 1492-1995. Lanham : University Press of America. pp. 291, 307–310, 328, 329, 332. ISBN 0761802290. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 18:22, 8 February 2015 (UTC)Reply

Another book to look for in libraries: Laguerre, Michael (April 1993). The Military and Society in Haiti. University of Tennessee Press. ISBN 9780870497735. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 16:43, 6 May 2015 (UTC)Reply

So I'm having trouble finding a whole lot about his earlier life. He must have done something before 1902 or they wouldn't have made him an admiral. Moreover, there's that fragment of a NYT article from 1898 - I don't have access to the whole thing but the part I do have access to basically says he went on vacation with two friends, was overdue returning by 19 days, and caused a bit of a panic before returning safely. This indicates that he was considered important enough for the NYT to take note of well before his rebellion and death, so there must be something out there.

I stumbled upon this. It's an e-mail discussion from an ancestry tracing website. Apparently Killick's great grandson was trying to trace the family back further than England, with thoughts that there may be roots in Poland. Although this is not a WP:RS it does tell me that 1)Killick had children, and 2)Killick's father's name was James.

Blah. Why is stuff so hard to find? ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 17:31, 17 February 2015 (UTC)Reply

Haha! Alternate spelling of his name used in this NYT article from 1894! Admiral Kellick; maybe there's more under that name.

Apparently the Natalie (ship) was an American Yacht that went missing in March of 1894 and was presumed lost. It turned up somewhere near Jamaica(?), with 2 Haitian ships hearby. Killick was there in a ship called the Dessalines (ship) with $25,000 in American gold to purchase the Natalie, which was then retrofitted and added to the Haitian Navy, such as it was.

"THE STORY OF THE NATALIE.; Triumph of Haitian Diplomacy Over the Revolutionary Cause". New York Times. March 14, 1894. Retrieved 17 February 2015.

~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 18:44, 17 February 2015 (UTC)Reply

This book looks useful. Plopping it here for later.

• Congressional Serial Set. U.S. Government Printing Office. 1903. Retrieved 18 February 2015.

None of these discusses his earlier life; they are additional newspaper sources about the disputed election and the rebellion. Most of them provide no new information about Killick that's not already in this article, but they do provide information that can be used to expand other related articles, like the ones on Sam, Fermin, etc. Plopping them here so I can find them easily again.

• "Swarms of 'Em: Stone Cannot be Thrown in Haiti Without Hitting a Dictator". The Minneapolis journal. May 14, 1902. Retrieved 12 May 2015.
• "Haytians Seek Presidency. General Fermin Gains the Support of the Navy". The St. Louis Republic. May 15, 1902. Retrieved 12 May 2015.
• "Want to Have Peace: Citizens of Hayti Make Offer of Mediation". Evening Star. May 15, 1902. Retrieved 12 May 2015.
• "Haiti's Revolution: Warships Will Back the Claims of General Fermin". Barre Evening Telegram. May 15, 1902. Retrieved 12 May 2015.
• "Town Bombarded: Cape Haitien Attacked by Admiral Killick's Vessles". The Indianapolis Journal. June 30, 1902. Retrieved 12 May 2015.
• "Peace at Cape Haytien: Admiral Killick Orders his Marines to Re-embark". Evening Star. June 30, 1902. Retrieved 12 May 2015.
• "Burgertrieg auf Haiti". Der Deutsche correspondent. June 30, 1902. Retrieved 12 May 2015.(in German)
• I've gotten through the second row on page 2.