Talk:Duryodhana

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there's no evidence duryodhan was ever called suyodhan. Either cite a source or delete this. 2607:FEA8:79D8:5700:3C87:CA3F:F019:31EA (talk) 05:39, 30 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

Not a hoax, Suyodhana used as an epithet multiple times in the Mahabharata, see [1], [2] (highlighted in search within Mahabharata) Seyamar_(245CMR)^💬📜 16:29, 30 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

So you found a random BS source written by some random author and are citing it as authoritative? If I come up with a random version of Iliad would you change the name of characters in the book based on my publication? This is a hoax. Suyodhan literally means 'Easy to conquer'. Who'd name their son that? Literally the opposite of Duryodhan, the actual name of the character as written by ved vyasa. Do some research. (Smh) 2607:FEA8:79D8:5700:9D7A:FA40:9B07:9B2F (talk) 18:11, 30 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

And no. Suyodhan was NEVER USED IN original Mahabharat. So please don't BS. 2607:FEA8:79D8:5700:9D7A:FA40:9B07:9B2F (talk) 18:12, 30 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

Update: Your source is decent but the information in the source itself is likely wrong. I will search more and update. Thanks. 2607:FEA8:79D8:5700:9D7A:FA40:9B07:9B2F (talk) 18:37, 30 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

@[[User talk:2607:FEA8:79D8:5700:9D7A:FA40:9B07:9B2F Check the source again, it is contains the original translated text from the Mahabharata itself, not written by some author. Also who do you think yourself to be? Learn some basic manners to talk. Since you wont be able to comprehend, let me quote some verses from Mahabharata:

'Having acquired immense wealth by his native prowess, that best of kings and foremost of Kurus, Duryodhana, O monarch, is celebrating a sacrifice. Thither are going from various directions the kings and the Brahmanas. O king, I have been sent by the high-souled Kaurava. That king and lord of men, Dhritarashtra’s son, invites you. It behoves you, therefore, to witness the delightful sacrifice of that monarch.'

"Hearing these words of the messenger, that tiger among kings, the royal Yudhishthira, said,

'By good luck it is that that enhancer of the glory of his ancestors, king Suyodhana is celebrating this best of sacrifices. We should certainly repair thither; but we cannot do now; for till (the completion of) the thirteenth year, we shall have to observe our vow.'

— SECTION CCLIV, Ghosha-yatra Parva

Vaisampayana continued, "Hearing these words of the great ascetic, Suyodhana felt himself to be … And having said this to Suyodhana, that great Brahmana, Durvasa, went away in the very same state in … And Suyodhana regarded himself to have attained all the objects of his desire.

— Section CCLX [Ghosha-yatra Parva]

The Kauravas, with Suyodhana at their head, will today behold my prowess, when this division of Mlecchas … Hearing the loud wails of the Kaurava host, today, mangled and broken by me in battle Suyodhana will … While I shall slay in wrath the foremost of Kuru warriors, Suyodhana will today behold to count two Arjunas

— Section CXVIII < [Jayadratha-Vadha Parva]

"Vaisampayana said, Having addressed Suyodhana thus, the highly blessed and wise Dhritarashtra again … You shouldest also, O Sanjaya, say this, in the presence of all kings, unto Suyodhana-that foremost of

— Section LXVI < [Sanatsujata Parva]

speak you first words fraught with mildness and then those fraught with threats, so that the wicked Suyodhana … They will solicit that ruler of men, Dhritarashtra and Suyodhana of sinful disposition, with his counsellors

— Section LXXX < [Bhagavat-Yana Parva]

At the time of the gambling, O Dhananjaya, Bhima vowed to break the thighs of Suyodhana with his mace … Suyodhana is accomplished, he is a hero; he is again firmly resolved. … This Suyodhana had broken and fled. All his troops had been killed.

— Section 58 < [Shalya Parva]

Seyamar_(245CMR)^💬📜 18:38, 30 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

Actually translations are never good and cannot be relied upon. However, the Sanskrit verses in Agni Puran are good enough and in fact a better source. Ideally the source from Mahabharat should also come from Sanskrit. And yes I have read those verses in English but that wasn't the point.

But I really think you should cite the agni puran source directly from wisdom tree. Sanskrit will be better. You currently have it in your secondary source.

I stand corrected. Thanks and apologies. 2607:FEA8:79D8:5700:9D7A:FA40:9B07:9B2F (talk) 18:55, 30 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

Sanskrit verse from agni puran confirming Suyodhana.

https://www.wisdomlib.org/hinduism/book/agni-purana-sanskrit/d/doc1227073.html

Regards

-OP 2607:FEA8:79D8:5700:9D7A:FA40:9B07:9B2F (talk) 19:05, 30 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

I understand, but as per Wikipedia policy WP:Verifiability#Non-English sources, English sources are preferred if they are available. Seyamar_(245CMR)^💬📜 19:11, 30 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

Ok fair. Thank you again for adding the sources. 2607:FEA8:79D8:5700:9D7A:FA40:9B07:9B2F (talk) 19:14, 30 August 2024 (UTC)Reply