For characters from the games, the character must have made a substantial (e.g. non cameo) appearance in at leasttwoSonic games. Because Sonic has such a large cast of characters, this list is primarily dedicated to major ones. One-off or minor characters are considered out of this list's scope and should be covered within their respective game's article rather than here.
An example of a character who meets this criteria is Ray the Flying Squirrel, who makes substantial appearances in SegaSonic the Hedgehog and Sonic Mania Plus. This is the minimum required for a character to be considered noteworthy for this list.
An example of a character who does not meet this criteria is Princess Elise, whose only substantial appearance is in Sonic the Hedgehog (2006). Unless she makes another non-cameo appearance in the future, she fails the inclusion criteria.
For characters from other media (TV shows, movies, and comics), the character must have made a substantial appearance in at leasttwo different forms of media. Because Sonic is primarily a video game franchise and there are too many Sonic characters exclusive to non-video game media to be listed here, a separate criteria exists to determine if a non-game character can be listed.
An example of a character who meets this criteria is Princess Sally, who made substantial appearances in the Saturday morning Sonic cartoon and the Archie Comics Sonic the Hedgehog series. Therefore, she can be listed, even though she has never made a substantial appearance in a Sonic game.
An example of a character who does not meet this criteria is Geoffrey St. John, who, while a fairly significant character within the Archie Comics Sonic series, never appeared outside it. Thus, unless he makes an appearance in another form of media in the future, he fails the inclusion criteria.
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Any discussions regarding splitting character entries from this list must happen on this talk page before any action is taken, to determine if the character has received enough coverage in reliable sources to be notable enough to stand as their own article.
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While they are separate characters, it would probably work better as a sub-mention in Metal for now unless reliable sources give it some more weight for its own section.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 17:23, 31 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
That sounds unencyclopedic to me. Even if people find them similar enough (and get them mixed up at times), they're officially considered separate characters with no ties to each other besides being Eggman creations. They've even occasionally appeared in the same game together, and Mecha predates Metal. Endianer (talk) 06:21, 1 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
Part of the problem is content to discuss: outside of the recent appearance in the comics, Mecha has very little to discuss and is more notable as a precursor design to Metal. Additionally keep in mind Wikipedia is not meant to be a documentation of everything.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 07:02, 1 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
That one is easy. He has made substantial appearances in at least two Sonic games: Sonic 2 and Sonic & Knuckles as important boss battles near the end. The Game Gear version is also a whole different game from the Genesis game (completely different story and levels), and he was in it as well, making that at least 3 games. Endianer (talk) 17:58, 1 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
Substantial is probably an oversell, but yes, he made appearances. But reliable sources are the most crucial part, you still havent provided any of that. Sergecross73msg me18:44, 1 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
Latest comment: 24 days ago4 comments2 people in discussion
Should G.U.N. and the Commander (Abraham Tower) be added to the character page now (or at the very least G.U.N.)? As they've been a major part of the Sonic franchise since SA2 now with G.U.N. being in many games & are a major part of the live-action films and Commander Tower has been in at least two games (Shadow & Chronicles), is in the Dark Beginnings web series (where his name was revealed too) and has a loose adaption in the films with Commander Walters.
Also whilst she can maybe be added once she has a full fledged appearance, but Professor Victoria could later be added too under the GUN section, with her having cameoed in two episodes of TailsTube, having a cameo in Sonic Movie 3 and being confirmed to have written Gerald Robotnik's diary for Shadow Generations (through the Japanese translation). Tribal-Mand0 (talk) 16:14, 6 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
If the sources can be supplied for them, then sure, I'd say that seems sound.
One thing that I think is possibly worth noting is that the name "Abraham Tower" originates from the version of the character presented in the Archie Comics Sonic series, where Ian Flynn gave him that name after making him a major character in some storylines. Flynn wrote this name into the mainline games canon after being brought on to write Shadow Generations and its tie-in prequel animation.
This is mentioned on the Sonic wiki, but only sourced to a forum post on Flynn's website, which obviously wouldn't be admissable here. It seems doubtful that we would find a secondary source confirming this fact, so it probably is out of scope to mention here, but on the off chance that a secondary source does exist, I think a brief acknowledgement of that fact in a section on G.U.N. could be worthwhile. silviaASH(inquire within)22:08, 6 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
I guess my only other comment is, unless there's a pretty darn substantial amount of coverage on Professor Victoria, I don't think she deserves a mention. There's not really much to write about her in this particular context at the moment; she's got more fan theories about her than actual official content to cover. (And also her existing appearances don't count towards the list requirement since they're all cameos.) We should wait till she actually appears, but even then coverage about her is probably going to be limited to the standalone article on whatever game or other media she's in. silviaASH(inquire within)22:20, 6 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
With the Abraham Tower thing, that was something Ian Flynn asked about and SEGA allowed to become canon, so it definitely is his official full name now. But yeah if I (or someone else) writes the sections, it should definitely be included in the Commander's with another source talking about it. Tribal-Mand0 (talk) 23:08, 6 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
Latest comment: 12 days ago26 comments6 people in discussion
Hello. Wondering why Amy Rose doesn't have an article here, I found this, and can't believe that Amy doesn't have enough secondary sources to prove notability while Shadow has as Amy was created way before Shadow and she is featured way more widely in medias than him. Even if the existing sources were not enough for proving notability, I think such a popular and widely featured character should have many other secondary sources.
Do you have other sources, and what do you think about this? (I'm currently not proposing seperation as I didn't investigate the existing sources deeply and search for new sources, but asking for sources and comments.) RuzDD (talk) 16:34, 12 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
It's been discussed at length, and the consensus that keeps coming up is that she doesn't have enough dedicated, significant coverage. I believe someone was working on a draft, so you could try collaborating with them and seeing what you come up with. Sergecross73msg me16:50, 12 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
While I found some mistakes in them ("computer-generated image series" and "five main characters") (both) and think Cindy Robinson's photo would be better than Shannon Chan-Kent's as Shannon voiced Amy only in Sonic Prime (yours), I feel like probably both but at least one of these drafts is/are completely acceptable for the main namespace, though I'm not certain and don't have an opinion to which one is better as I didn't inspect them deeply (I also don't think I'm good at determining quality). RuzDD (talk) 22:58, 12 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
I'd wait before publishing either, this is one that is going to fall under a lot of scrutiny because it's been discussed so many times. Neither draft parties seemed to think they were ready to publish either... Sergecross73msg me23:10, 12 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
I find the idea that the Eggman, Tails, Knuckles, Shadow (especially given that I wrote this one, don't know how the hell anyone could read it, look at the sourcing, and question its notability), and Eggman articles be merged ludicrous. The coverage at those articles is far better than the coverage Amy and Chao had (and there seems to be a rough consensus that the Chao Garden is notable, Chao as a species just aren't), and there's plenty of coverage regarding the film versions of the characters that hasn't been implemented. I don't have time to present sources right now, but I'll add them to the individual articles' talk pages when I get the chance. JOEBRO6423:32, 12 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
For what it's worth, I also find it ludicrous. But let me present my "devil's advocate" case by comparing Amy and Tails. I'd like to call this the "Tails test". Look at the reflist for Tails (Sonic the Hedgehog). What you'll find is shockingly bad - the only sources that focus on Tails specifically are Valnet sources. It's otherwise sourced to listicles, primary sources, and reviews for the games, nothing specifically about the character. Now compare that to User:Red Phoenix/sandbox/Amy Rose and its reflist. Are they any different?
No, they're not.
I removed the primary sources, for the most part, and tried to reduce how many Valnet sources were used, but they're otherwise no different - in fact the Amy draft includes some academic publishing as well on her impact in video games as a whole, and that's still not enough to change the consensus.
So where do we draw the line? I argue - legitimately - that Amy's demonstrated notability in our articles is at least equivalent to Tails. Knuckles is only marginally better in large part because he was meme'd as "Ugandan Knuckles". Doctor Eggman at least has this, but it otherwise looks much the same. Don't misunderstand me; I don't think any of them should be merged. But I now think that if this is what we're comparing Amy to, then I've at least created a draft that puts her on that standard. WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS and all that, yeah, but we're comparing similar characters on the same notability standards. And if we're reiterating the discussion at WT:VGCHAR about this and they were to be merged, then I don't want to live on this planet anymore. Red Phoenixtalk02:47, 13 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
I didn't understand why that's still not enough to change the consensus while I looked there, and I didn't see a new consensus anywhere. Considering these, I think proposing seperation might not be a bad idea. RuzDD (talk) 14:56, 13 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
I don't mean to be rude but...you haven't even made an argument for notability yet, only that you don't understand the problem. What reasoning are you operating on? Sergecross73msg me15:09, 13 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
Sketchy comparisons with articles. And, I never said that I think they are suitable for the main namespace or that I think proposing seperation isn't a bad idea (there are nuances). RuzDD (talk) 15:32, 13 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
Right, but I mean, when you say things like "I feel like probably both but at least one of these drafts is/are completely acceptable for the main namespace" or that you "didn't understand why that's still not enough to change the consensus", what do you mean? What standards or criteria are you operating off of to make these statements? Sergecross73msg me15:57, 13 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
Sketchy comparisons with articles. As for the second, I didn't see a consensus for not moving it into the main namespace in that page. RuzDD (talk) 19:07, 13 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
The most recent in-depth discussion is here, where there is very much so a consensus against recreating Amy Roses's article. There were multiple merge discussions prior to that which caused it to be merged in the first place. I'm sure you can find them if you search through the talk page archives. Or I can help if you need it.
In a general sense, basically we are looking for the WP:GNG to be met, and the points of WP:MERGEREASON to be avoided. What this means, for a video game character article, is loosely outlined at WP:NVGC. You'll want to make sure it fits that sort of description. If you simply say it looks comparable to other articles, you're bound to get hit with WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS counter-points - essentially, that just because you observe something somewhere on Wikipedia does not mean its necessarily correct or desirable. Sergecross73msg me19:35, 13 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
I believe the correct course of action here would be to evaluate the notability of Tails, Knuckles, and Eggman, and improve their articles if there's room to do so (Of which there's a high possibility to do so). That way we have a baseline we can compare a potential Amy article off of.
I believe at this point, Amy isn't notable, primarily moreso due to a lack of coverage than a lack of actual notability. I'm hoping Sonic 4 will turn that around, so she's a subject worth keeping an eye on. For the time being, I believe she should be re-evaluated once the other Sonic character articles are worked on.
I believe it may also be worth putting some work into Shadow- much of his Reception is outdated and rather barebones, and the Year of Shadow + all that comes with it is bound to have given him a lot more coverage we can use to improve the article. It may also be worth looking into Chao Garden at some point, per the AfD.
I didn't see this, thanks. I compared it with my general observation so I thought this wouldn't apply (I knew it and it was already linked) but that's not important now because looking at the sources supported this sense. I saw four sources that go deeply about her in @Red Phoenix's version (I inspected it less sketchily) (1234) and there is probably more as I didn't inspect it very deeply. The sources given in that discussion which resulted in denial were significantly worse than these, at least to me. RuzDD (talk) 00:34, 14 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
As far as I understood from this page, the first one is unreliable, but the others are reliable (for proving notability at least), which is enough. (Addition: I also didn't look at all sources, so probably there's more.) RuzDD (talk) 14:34, 14 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
I just added refideas to the talk pages of each article from a quick Google search. I'll do some deeper looking over the next few days (the CSE seems to be busted at the moment and google news just gives me Screen Rant crap) but what I was able to find fairly quickly was good. JOEBRO6415:16, 13 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
Been doing more refidea additions—I think what I've found definitely demonstrates the characters' notability. I was able to find some scholarly discussion of Eggman and Knuckles; looks like some might exist for Tails but I'll have to do some deeper looking (mostly to get around paywalls) JOEBRO6415:17, 14 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
I would like to note that I agree with @Red Phoenix: that Amy Rose has roughly equal notability as Tails. I'm full support of her having an article, especially after the additional coverage she's gotten since making a cameo in the Sonic 3 movie.
I was heavily involved in the 2022 discussion. I admit, I relied a lot on Valnet sites back then. Though to be fair, this was before the current consensus that the Valnets don't contribute to notability.
I had a draft a couple years back, as well. Red Phoenix's draft is admittingly much better than mine. I'll be adding some sources in there soon.
Latest comment: 2 hours ago6 comments2 people in discussion
@Chance997; if you want to discuss the viability of adding Longclaw or any other character to this list, you might want to do so here. Keep in mind the inclusion criteria noted at the top of this talk page (characters must have substantive (non cameo) appearances either in two games, or in at least two separate forms of Sonic media, and must also have some substantial coverage in reliable sources). I'm not sure Longclaw meets this criteria, but if you've got a case that she does, feel free to argue that here. silviaASH(inquire within)10:06, 31 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
Can you specify which other Sonic media she is in? I can't recall if she's been in anything else, and the Sonic wiki suggests that her only other appearances after the first movie (and its novelization) are mentions, cameos (in which she's posthumously shown in flashbacks and pictures), and promotions in the Sonic mobile games. I might be missing something, and the Sonic wiki isn't necessarily complete, but still, don't see how this would qualify her. silviaASH(inquire within)14:13, 31 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
Well, since these appearances are entirely within the film series and she doesn't appear in any other forms of Sonic media in any significant capacity, that isn't enough to qualify her for inclusion. Keep in mind that even if you do know of any further appearances, we still also need some reliablesecondary sources of significant coverage. We don't want the page to get too long and potentially be unduly balanced in the interests of fans. silviaASH(inquire within)14:27, 31 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
