Talk:Boar–pig hybrid
Latest comment: 5 years ago by StraussInTheHouse in topic Requested move 6 December 2018
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edit{{db-nonsense}} ? It makes absolutely no sense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lunakeet (talk • contribs) 17:29, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
- Kinda verging on it. The real topic here is pig–boar hybrids, which exist in various places in Europe and Asia, and places where Europeans brought both animals, including Australia and North America (e.g., in the US they're often called razorbacks, and have a higher domesticated bloodline percentage than is suggested for the Australian population, though it's hard to say without better sourcing). What's happened at this page is some breeder club (probably verging on "backyard breeders" has invented a silly marketing name for their pig–boar hybrids, and they're using Wikipedia to try to promote it. This article basically needs to be inverted, to present the general idea and fact of boar × pig interbreeding, then maybe mention "Iron Age pig" and attempts to establish an actual "back-bred" breed, if (and only if) independent sourcing for this can be found. It can't come only from primary sourcing connected to those promoting their pigs under such a name. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 14:53, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
Requested move 6 December 2018
edit- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the move request was: moved - @SMcCandlish: I have left both emboldened in the first line per MOS:BOLDTITLE, please feel free to alter or use a hatnote if desired. (closed by non-admin page mover) SITH (talk) 12:28, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
Iron Age pig → Boar–pig hybrid – WP:UNDUE use of promotional term from one particular breeder group in one area for something that is a global topic and more often pertains to natural hybridization not "backyard breeder" experiments. Also for WP:CONSISTENCY with Dingo–dog hybrid, Jackal–dog hybrid, Polecat–ferret hybrid, Polecat–mink hybrid, Grizzly–polar bear hybrid, Sheep–goat hybrid, Sheep–goat chimera. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 03:20, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
- In more detail: The general pattern seems to be to prefer wild–domestic order, when applicable (also found in fully-fused compounds like wolfdog and coydog, though an exception is beefalo). There, of course, inconsistencies in the naming patterns, but they are all special cases that do not apply here: 1) widely-accepted unique names found across reliable sources, often for 100+ years (mule, lyger, wolfdog, beefalo, zebroid, huarizo); 2) standardized breeds that are part hybrid and which consistently named across major breeder organizations (Bengal cat, Hybridmaster cattle; and 3) names that pre-date genetic discovery of any hybridization (Congolese spotted lion, Eastern coyote).
We also have far more general articles, covering usually an entire genus or family, like Canid hybrid, Bovid hybrid, Ursid hybrid, Macropod hybrid, Hybrid camel. It's vaguely possible something like this could be written here ("suine hybrid" or "suid hybrid"), but absent any reliable sources on crosses between pigs and boars on the one hand and, on the other, more distant relatives like warthogs and javelinas, we should presume that an article on boar–pig hybrids is exactly what we need. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 03:20, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
- Support, as nominator. To provide some "where this is going" rationale: For WP:FAITACCOMPLI reasons, I have refrained from rewriting this article completely (as mentioned in the thread above) to be about the general topic, and to mention "Iron Age pig" as a breeding-experiment subtopic only if it can be reliably sourced in multiple independent sources (not just breeder websites, which we're fortunately not advertising I mean "citing" right now). But that rewrite needs to happen. It's apparent in seconds that this article opening with a breeder marketing term and talking about speciality livestock available in Europe is inappropriate. An "Iron Age pig" mongrel developed for pork connoisseurs in Russia after they lost their Australian supply due to meat export law changes isn't an encyclopedia topic. Hybrid pigs, which are an invasive species on three continents, is (though it's hard to tease apart the hybrid pigs and feral domestic pigs in some of the source material, especially when the regulatory agencies don't care to distinguish much). The first para of the lead needs to move to a subsection, if it's kept at all. We also need some stuff on natural hybridization in Eurasia, where this happened more often and for millennia longer. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 03:20, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
- Support under WP:PRECISION. I was hoping to find out about some ancient battle-porker, and was then most disappointed by what I found. William Harris • (talk) • 10:52, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
- Support. I was expecting an article on pig iron from the iron age. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 06:22, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
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