Talk:Ariana Grande

This section has been split from Talk:Ariana_Grande/Archive_8#Lead update and more for readability/accessibility. Aoi (青い) (talk) 02:45, 28 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Ben0006 Please don't forget to add the information above. Also, Grande has now 18 songs with a billion streams. Update it. + Grande has relesed 18 fragrances so far. Four were released this year. https://tribune.com.pk/story/2486699/ariana-grande-unveils-global-fragrance-line-lovenotes Mirrored7 (talk) 20:45, 31 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Ben0006 Why have you removed the information of her having all her albums achieving platinum status from the lead?

For the third time, please add, that she was with her dancer Ricky Alvarez. They both were in a relationship for over a year. She even mentioned him in her single "Thank U, Next". Mirrored7 (talk) 03:48, 1 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

Don't you think that line is a little redundant for an already somewhat long last paragraph?

I think that having it stated and sourced in the prose/body of the article is more than enough, alluding it to being something significant. But considering the size and stature of name/artist Grande is, that information does not feel as important/worth mentioning in the article's lead. Artists like Taylor Swift, Rihanna, Beyoncé, and Nicki Minaj also have all of their albums certified platinum status or higher, but when you look over at their article leads, that is not mentioned.

Maybe once Eternal Sunshine and Positions are certified double (or higher) platinum—the latter which has been eligible for higher since nearly two years now—the line can be readded that all of her albums are certified "multiplatinum" or higher.

Ben | he/him (talk) 10:22, 1 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Ben0006 For the top: Describing "Wicked" as only musical fantasy is a bit unspecific. Let's rephrase it to "the film adaptation of the fantasy musical Wicked (2024)". Mirrored7 (talk) 21:20, 4 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

Would the (2024) be after:

Wicked (2024) (which would link to the musical) or after film adaptation (2024)?

Also, is it better "returned to acting with Don't Look Up and [Wicked mention]" or should it be "and starred as Glinda in [Wicked mention]", since she already returned to acting in 2021?

Ben | he/him (talk) 22:44, 4 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

After film adaptation (2024).

"She returned to acting with the political satire Don't Look Up (2021) and starred as Glinda in the film adapation of the fantasy musical Wicked (2024)." @Ben0006

Also, please remove Fergie as one of the artists, Grande was inspired by. The article is over ten years ago, she only mentions the song specifically, not her as an artist. There are also no other sources other than that one, I could find. Mirrored7 (talk) 08:09, 12 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Ben0006 Edit: I rephrased again.

"...and starred as Glinda in the musical fantasy film Wicked (2024)." People will eventually know, that this is a film adaptation of the broadway musical.

Again, remove Fergie from her influences section. She only mentions the song "Clumsy", not the singer specifically.

Thanks. Mirrored7 (talk) 14:35, 12 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

@PHShanghai While I appreciate your recent changes. Why you removed genres like Pop & EDM? After her debut album, she clearly experimented with more genres than R&B. Also "Into You" wasn't as big as the others songs globally. No need to mention that. The mention of the number one debuts, was better before, as it puts in retroperspective. The record will be clearly be broken sooner or later. Mirrored7 (talk) 09:41, 16 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

Pop and R&B have been and will continue to be her main genres for almost every single album she's put out. The only time she ever deviated from a traditional Pop & R&B album was Sweetener andTUN, and that was only because she included more trap influences while still keeping her urban pop sound. "Into You" was a pretty big global hit imo, but if you want to replace it with something else from the Dangerous Woman era, go ahead.

Additionally, she still holds the record for the most number one debuts for a female artist. If that will be broken by someone else then we will change it; otherwise, if she's currently holding the record for most number one debuts, then she should keep it per WP:CRYSTALBALL rule. PHShanghai | they/them (talk) 11:44, 16 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

She still experimented with other music generes on her albums. This should be pointed out in the lead.

She holds the record in general in general, not only for female artists. Mirrored7 (talk) 13:16, 16 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Ben0006

(There was nothing wrong with the first paragraph, please revert):

Grande's debut studio album, Yours Truly (2013), incorporated retro-pop and R&B elements and yielded the successful single "The Way". My Everything (2014), her second album, experimented with EDM and contained the internationally successful singles "Problem", "Break Free", and the RIAA diamond-certified "Bang Bang". Grande further explored pop and R&B with her third album Dangerous Woman (2016), which solidified her critical and commercial success.

...and made Grande the first solo artist to simultaneously occupy the top three positions on the chart ALONG with "Break Up with Your Girlfriend, I'm Bored".

She broke the record for the most number-one debuts in Hot 100 history

(She broke the record in general, not only for women).

After a musical hiatus, Grande ventured into dance music on her seventh album. Mirrored7 (talk) 10:35, 16 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

The first paragraph was fine but the condensation and bringing of two albums into joint material stated together is much easier to read and comprehend, imo.

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About the musicality of those two albums is included, and the sentence about the Dangerous Woman album does feel pretty redundant, in a manner that it stretches the paragraph, due to the "further explored [genres]" and "solidified her success" line. The latter was added to the new sentence and the old version seemed like that was just stated for the sake of having something to say about the album, when there isn't much to say about it in the lead, worth mentioning seperately, unless it's something about its role in her artistry, musical composition, or any records or awards.

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In regard to the mention of dance music, there needs to be an explicit mention of that in some source, or it can be replaced with a mention of the album containing dance elements and influences, rather than being a primarily dance-oriented body itself. Maybe that line can be rephrased. Let me know if you have any ideas.

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Ben | he/him (talk) 20:11, 16 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Ben0006

Grande continued to blend pop, dance, and R&B influences on her next albums, My Everything (2014), and Dangerous Woman (2016), solidifying her critical and commercial success. How is that?

Don't forget to add "along" before "Break Up with Your Girlfriend, I'm Bored".

Also PLEASE remove Mac Miller. Remove Into You, and put Side to Side after Bang Bang. Thanks! Mirrored7 (talk) 21:00, 16 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

1. After a musical hiatus, Grande released her dance-influenced, Eternal Sunshine (2024), which received critical acclaim and...

2. Also remove "Into You". It's not known, as the other songs. Mirrored7 (talk) 07:59, 18 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Ben0006 Don't forget to remove "Into You" from the lead. The other songs peaked all in the top five in countries like US, UK and Australia, while "Into You" didn't. It's a fan favourite, but not one of her biggest songs. Mirrored7 (talk) 18:01, 19 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

"One Last Time" was a hit in many European markets, could it replace "Into You" in the lead?

And should synth-pop be added to the dance influence part?

Ben | he/him (talk) 20:11, 19 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Bluesatellite Can you revert "the rose to fame" part? The word "appear" is already mentioned a sentence before. It's redundant. Mirrored7 (talk) 22:41, 22 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

Also, "Die For You" and "Save Your Tears" weren't number one debuts.

1. Remove Mac Miller. All the songs that have features, are not mentioned. That shouldn't be too.

2. Maybe combine the genres for both two albums, EDM, Pop, R&B. "...experimented or explored with EDM, Pop and R&B. Remove "Into You", as it didn't reach top ten in either US or UK. Also "Side to Side" came after "Bang Bang".

3. ...the top three positions on the chart ALONG with "Break Up with Your Girlfriend, I'm Bored".

(It reads better with the along, add it again)

4. She broke the number one debut record in general, not just for a woman.

Also link the articles to the genres. You forgot too add it for: retro-pop, EDM, dance music Mirrored7 (talk) 20:26, 16 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Mirrored7: Not everything should be mentioned on the lead section, which has been quite bloated. You had played ownership on this article for such long time, just let go now. Those Grammy nominations and Billboard Hot 100 trivia could be mentioned on the lead sections of awards article, discography article, or their respective albums and songs. Thank you. Bluesatellite (talk) 01:38, 23 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Bluesatellite Have you seen Beyonce's and Miley Cyrus lead? This is quite bloated. How you can have such double standard? In the last days, a huge chunk of Ariana Grande's lead has been removed, unnecessary too. How much do you want to remove already? Her breaking a record 60 year old chart record or having her only AOTY nomination is NOT just "everything". Mirrored7 (talk) 01:47, 23 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

Don't look up to worse articles. Please take notes from WP:FA articles such as Taylor Swift, Katy Perry, or Lady Gaga. Taylor has many many Hot 100 chart records and they are not mentioned on her lead section either. Per MOS:INTRO, opening paragraphs should briefly summarize the most important points. Bluesatellite (talk) 01:57, 23 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Bluesatellite

Well, I understand that.

However, someone like Taylor Swift had a much successful and longer career, so it's not that comparable.

Still, can you at least add that part with the Billboard record and the AOTY nod. You can also phrased it differently.

Also, the singles with the Weeknd, didn't debut at number one. Mirrored7 (talk) 02:20, 23 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Ben0006

1. Re-add "Grande began her career at age 15" by appearing in the Broadway musical 13 (2008), and "as well as" to "rose to prominence as Cat Valentine in the Nickelodeon television series...

2. remove "streaming" from "broke several records".

3. remove "top 50" and re-add "among" in the Rolling Stone mention. Change "top 10" to "top ten" in the Billboard mention.

4. also remove "...both the highest for any artist emerging since the 2010s." and re-add "Grande was named Woman of the Year (2018) and the most successful female artist to emerge in the 2010s" right after Instagram mention. Mirrored7 (talk) 00:17, 23 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Bluesatellite First of all, great work! Can you re-add that part "while the latter was nominated for Album of the Year, breaking several records. Grande became the first solo artist to occupy the top three spots on the U.S. chart with the aforementioned songs along with "Break Up with Your Girlfriend, I'm Bored".

Grande only was once nominated for AOTY and the Billboard record was very important to her career. It should be mentioned in the lead. Mirrored7 (talk) 01:31, 23 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Ben0006

1. Replace "Grande began her acting career by appearing in the Broadway musical 13 (2008), as well as the Nickelodeon television series Victorious (2010–2013) and its spin-off series Sam & Cat (2013–2014)" to "Grande began her career by appearing in the Broadway musical 13 (2008), and to rose to prominence as Cat Valentine in the Nickelodeon television series Victorious (2010–2013) and its spin-off series Sam & Cat (2013–2014)"

2. remove "top 50" in the Rolling Stone mention. Change "top 10" to "top ten" in the Billboard mention.

3. also remove "...both the highest for any artist emerging since the 2010s" and re-add "Grande was named Woman of the Year (2018) and the most successful female artist to emerge in the 2010s" right after Instagram mention.

4. re-add ..." Grande became the first solo artist to occupy the top three spots on the U.S. chart with the aforementioned songs, right after mention of "Thank U, Next" and "7 Rings". Mirrored7 (talk) 11:43, 23 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Ben0006 Thanks! Also remove "streaming" from "several records", maybe "breaking several chart records; she became the first solo artist to occupy the top three spots on the U.S. chart with the aforementioned songs." Mirrored7 (talk) 12:24, 23 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Mirrored7:, this is not a comment on the merit of your suggested edits. However, it would be much more constructive if you engaged directly with Bluesatellite instead of directing another editor to revert Bluesatellite's edits on your behalf to get around your page ban. Aoi (青い) (talk) 14:13, 23 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Ben0006 Please: Re-add that part, after breaking several records; "Grande became the first solo artist to simultaneously occupy the top three spots on the U.S. chart with the aforementioned songs."

It's a significant record, that hasn't been broken since the Beatles.

Also remove "streaming" from breaking several records, to stay conistent, with no mention of streaming in the lead. Mirrored7 (talk) 19:05, 25 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Ben0006

Please don't forget fo add the Billboard record. It's a historical record, the same as Katy Perry has her 5 #1s record on her lead.

Update the number of Billboard nominations in "Awards and recognition". She has 42 now.

Remove Fergie as the source of influence. 1. There's only one source that states that. 2. Grande hasn't mention her as influence in years. Also the source is not recent and from a decade ago. Mirrored7 (talk) 15:50, 27 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Ben0006 Update “positive reviews” to “critical acclaim" from critics” in her career section. Also, remove the worldwide gross. It's not the total yet and it's predicted to finish in 700 to 800 million range. Mirrored7 (talk) 14:16, 2 December 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Ben0006 also change journalists to critics. there's a difference to both. Mirrored7 (talk) 16:32, 2 December 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Ben0006 Update to more recent image:

File:Ariana Grande (Wicked Premiere in LA).jpg Mirrored7 (talk) 07:51, 12 December 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Ben0006 Add "She also has a large social media following, being the sixth-most-followed individual on Instagram" at the very end of the lead. Suits more. Mirrored7 (talk) 13:50, 16 December 2024 (UTC)Reply

Add a section for "Controversies." To include in this section: Grande has been accused of cultural appropriation^[1][2]. Grande is ethnically Italian-American, and commentators have remarked upon her skin color appearing to change dramatically, altering her hair color and hairstyles, and adopting different vernacular and slang, in manners that make her appear ethnically ambiguous. ^[3] Grande has been accused of "Blackfishing," in which "individuals often use makeup, Photoshop and cosmetic surgery to change their natural appearance" to look Black when they are not racially or ethnically black.^[4] At the 2018 Billboard Women in Music Awards, Grande also stated to fans, "thank you so much for coming to my Quinceanñra," despite not being Latino or Hispanic and never having a Quinceañera. ^[5]Grande has also more recently been accused of "Asianfishing" after sharing photos of herself "her makeup seemingly imitating Asian features."^[6]

Of course, please edit as you see fit. Thank you! Allbirdy (talk) 10:43, 25 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

Per WP:CRITS, which is admittedly an essay, not an official policy, "Controversies" is not a recommended section title. Rather the title should address the specific issue at hand (such as "Allegations of cultural appropriation.") if it is determined to be WP:DUE under the WP:BLP policy. PianoDan (talk) 19:01, 26 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

  Not done for now: There are a number of issues with this request. First, there currently isn't a "controversies" section in this article (nor should there necessarily be one per PianoDan's comment). If there is another part of the article that you think this material would fit within, please let us know.

In addition, there are sourcing issues with this content. First, there are concerns about the reliability of Newsweek (see WP:NEWSWEEK), and I'm honestly not comfortable supporting its use in a WP:BLP article. There is also no consensus on whether Vice is a reliable source. The Billboard article supports the statement that Grande said, "thank you so much for coming to my Quinceañera" but doesn't mention anything about controversy coming from that statement.

I haven't assessed the other sources, but ideally this content should be discussed before it's added to the article. Aoi (青い) (talk) 03:02, 28 November 2024 (UTC) Aoi (青い) (talk) 03:02, 28 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

Grande used to have an impact section, however for some reason it was removed and merged into a different section. I see it has been said on here already that someone planned on reinstating it, but it hasn’t been done yet. Grande has had a massive impact, whereas Selena Gomez, who obviously has had impact but not to the scale of Grande’s, has an impact section on her page. I would appreciate it if the impact section is reinstated, especially now with the release of Wicked and with Grande’s recognition from Billboard as the 9th best pop-star of the 21st century and the only performer who debuted in the 2010’s to make an appearance in the top 10 TIA :) Olivergrandeee (talk) 13:05, 28 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Olivergrandeee: Just be bold and reinstate it yourself. You don't typically need to ask permission to add content unless someone else reverts you. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:01, 28 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

The phonetic pronunciation of her name is given as /ˌɑːriˈɑːnə ˈɡrɑːndeɪ bjʊˈtɛərə/ AR-ee-AH-nə GRAHN-day byuu-TAIR-ə. I think there are several problems here. Most importantly, the IPAC-en pronunciation does not match the Respell. /bjʊˈtɛərə/ would be byuu-TAI-əRə, and I don't believe that extra schwa is needed. I haven't found a video of Grande pronouncing the last part of the name, but in this interview (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lo8HesXmO8&t=168s) the interviewer pronounces it without the glide after the initial B and with a more english EH vowel as opposed to the more Spanish pronunciation: buu-TER-ə. I would note that he Spanish pronunciation would not have the glide either. Lastly her normal pronunciation of her first name is more anglicized /ˌɑːreɪˈɑːnə/ AR-ay-AH-nə with the close-mid front unrounded vowel rather than the close front unrounded vowel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Close_front_unrounded_vowel). This can be heard over and over here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Skglkez7QgI (Try 1/2 or 1/4 speed.) I cannot edit the article but I think someone should fix this. Mgolden (talk) 20:41, 7 December 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hi guys, so it's been a while but it's unfair that Ariana Grande's impact section was removed, i don't know what happened, I would re-instate but i can't do it so someone has to, because Ariana definitely has impacted the industry, last article revisions corrobored it, in fact, I helped to make it, so please, cand somebody re-instate impact section? 2800:BF0:60:F22:B41A:3235:9050:2EBF (talk) 23:37, 9 December 2024 (UTC)Reply

A line mentions that a nutritionist working with Grande has “got her to . . .”

Grammatically, this should be “gotten her to . . .” or the sentence should be rewritten to say something like “encouraged her to . . .” CERy1 (talk) 05:02, 24 December 2024 (UTC)Reply

Done... - Adolphus79 (talk) 17:36, 24 December 2024 (UTC)Reply

Add "Right after, she was ranked as Billboard's 6th greatest pop star of 2024" right after "In October 2024, Billboard ranked Grande as the ninth-greatest pop star, out of 25 artists, of the 21st century" in the 'Awards and recognition' section. Elapiedra (talk) 17:28, 24 December 2024 (UTC)Reply

Do you have a reliable source to cite? - Adolphus79 (talk) 17:36, 24 December 2024 (UTC)Reply