Talk:Ash's Staraptor

It used Gust, and that is it. We could say that Gust was really supposed to be Defog or whatever. We could say ANYTHING, because this error was present in the original version as well. Keep it plz. D: TinaTheKirlia ♥ 18:03, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

I just watched One Big Happiny Family, and this time Ash told Staravia to do Whirlwind. Pokemaniac102 16:25, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

I watched Throwing the Track Switch this morning and I believe Ash said Gust!--User:Kuki

Staravia's "Wing Attack"

Couldn't Staravia's Wing Attack be Steel Wing cause it's wings glow white when it uses it.

No, Ash tells Staravia to use Wing Attack, not Steel Wing. --Theryguy512 11:57, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Well I kow that, but the english dub could have gotten it wrong.

Ash says Wing Attack in the Japanese version too... --FabuVinny ^T-C-S 22:08, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Protection?

Yeah, I saw Staraptor in DP066's preview... so I'm wodering, would it be a good idea to protect this and DP066 until next week just in case? Even though we see no "whoo, white glow on Staravia" like before with Aipom... TTEchidna^G_SDS! 22:26, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Well it was also rumored that Paul was batteling with a Honchcrow, so maybe his Murkrow evolved with Staravia. I say that both pages should be protected. --Theryguy512 23:47, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Ash's Staravia is STILL Staravia. Turns out that Staraptor is Reiji's Staraptor. Ej92 12:12, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Please tell us more about DP066.-Billy4b2004 12:18, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

New Attack?

The Staraptor shown in the preview shows Staraptor coming out of a blue aura like light. That could mean it learns Brave Bird or Close Combat. What do you think?

Can you get me a link to the preview off Youtube or something? --Theryguy512 11:50, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Yeah here it is. You'll see it at 00:21 or 22 http://youtube.com/watch?v=vOnompLPwlU

If it know's Close Combat, it defiently belongs to Maylene....--Theryguy512 22:18, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

How's that prove anything? TTEchidna^G_SDS! 23:33, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Well I was just saying that if it knows a Fighting move, it probably belongs to Maylene.....--Theryguy512 00:07, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

That's like thinking Buneary once was Candice's because it knows Ice Beam... TTEchidna^G_SDS! 00:42, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

No, I'm just saying that since there's a Staraptor in the picture and we don't know whose it is, I'm just making an {probably incorrect) assumption. --Theryguy512 02:41, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

All Staraptor can learn close combat......-Billy4b2004 05:20, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Im pretty sure it was Brave Bird, because Paul's older brother had a Staraptor that used the same move. He probably helped Ash learn it just like the famous trainer in Hoenn who taught Ash's Swellow aerial ace.

Staravia has NOT evolved in DP066

The Staraptor in DP066 turns out to be Reiji's Ej92 12:00, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, however it seems that Ash wants Reiji to help him teach his Staravia Brave Bird. Staravia has will evolved someday because each of Ash's flying-types have evolve to its last stage, and there will be no reason for Staravia to be any different. Kikibabygirl28 19:21, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Real personality? WTF?

"*Staravia has become quite popular for being the first bird Pokémon to have a real personality, having shown quirky and surprising behaviour on more than one occasion."

I erased it. This bird has a personality? I don't think so. Personal opinion doesn't count here. Greysky 00:34, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Yeah but when Ash said he wasn't going to use Staravia in his gim battle it jumped up with a shocked look and began to cry.

Okay...so Pidgeot's desire to protect the clan isn't a personality??? It's the Θρtιmαtum♏_Talk|Links11:47 29 Jun 2008

Gender

Shouldn't it be listed as "unknown" because it's not 100% confirmed (--<font color=#EED55E>^●</font>[[User:GT4GTR|<font color=#4F506D>'''GT4GTR'''</font>]] <small>[[User talk:GT4GTR|<font color=#D6282C>''/ talk /''</font>]]</small> 11:40, 9 April 2008 (UTC))

Yes it should...Crystal Lucario 12:03, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

But Staravia have gander differences, therefore we can assume it's gender. Big Spot = Male; Little Spot = Female... TESHIGIGAS 13:08, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

i concur! KPF 18:39, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, if we took the gender differences into account, then it's safe to say that Dawn's Pachirisu is male. The gender differences on Pachirisu is on the head stripes, and Dawn's Pachirisu's stripes are consistent with those of male Pachirisu.

Of course, this would probably anger the fans who believe the outfits Dawn's Pachirisu wore in DP061 is clear proof of it being female. As far as we know, that outfit is Dawn's preference, not Pachirisu's. --Shiningpikablu252 20:15, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Well the maid outfits weren't Ash, Turtwig, and Pikachu's preferences... They seemed pretty embarrassed. TTEchidna 21:12, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

In dp03 ash says "this is Starly, he helped me find you".--Davidaipom 11:40, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

That's in the dub. I can NEVER understand why in the original, -kun can mean either gender...It's the Θρtιmαtum♏_Talk|Links11:49 29 Jun 2008

I am currently watching When Pokémon Worlds Collide. n the scene where Ash and Pikachu clib through the wreckage, aipom dances with pikachu and ash says:

"This Is Starly, He's My New Pokémon" I 100% sure becuase I thought this the last time i seen it.--Davidaipom 13:47, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Regarding the most recent Episode, DP103, Staravia like falls in love with a robot Staravia that is undoubtedly female seeing how it has a bow in it's hair. Is this not sufficient enough to claim it male?

A bow is definatly mot enough information. ^Maverick_Nate 23:45, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

True, but its trainer saying its gender is un-deniable proof. ^Chocolate 23:46, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Not really, since most characters refer to their Pokémon as a "he". Notably Ash with about 90 percent of his. --^Psychic_Rider^☮ 23:47, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

But that was in the dub only. It was never stated in the original. Similar to Buneary. Therefore we need a disclaimer. And they don't say "he" 90% of the time. They say "it" mostly.--ケンジのガール 23:49, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Except, I just checked it. Ash says nothing about gender or anything that implies it: "Pikachu, you're okay! Right, you haven't met yet. I want you to meet Starly, who's my very first Pokémon buddy from Sinnoh and who helped me find ya." That has no male inclination what-so-ever. Gender not confirmed. ^Maverick_Nate 23:51, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Well then there ya go. --ケンジのガール 23:58, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Ok, so with DP103 airing, is it safe to say that Staravia is male?--Boywonder01 08:01, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

It's confirmed as Male (Dub-Only)--デビッド Aipom (Speaks To Me):] 秘密の通信 10:56, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

English VA?

I've been trying to figure out Staravia's english VA for a while now. The only thing known conclusively is that it's the same person who voiced Skarmory in the first Pokemon Mystery Dungeon special. I was the one who said it was Emily Jenness (Dawn's VA), only because of the process of elimination of the main cast; it definately wasn't Kayzie Rogers (Jamie Peacock), and Sarah Natochenny had said she'd only voiced Medicham and baby Kangaskahn. However, when speaking with Jenness through her MySpace, she said she hadn't played Skarmory or Staravia, either. Now recently, the 11th season credits for "Tears for Fears" included additional VAs such as Kayzie Rogers (Wobbuffet/Mime Jr.) and Emily Williams (Jenny/Zoey), even though no other humans besides the main group and Paul were in that episode. This may indicate that Williams was voicing one of the Pokemon, and the only one unaccounted for is Staravia. I don't think either of her normal characters appear in the next episode with Staravia, either, so if she's still there, it may be as good evidence as anything of her involvement. As for why she wasn't credited in season 10, it could be they just didn't bother with crediting Pokemon voices, as it was mostly the main cast and original JPN voices providing them.

Long story short, I think Emily Williams is the only reasonably possible person who could be voicing Staravia. Is it okay if I change it? Shift 00:12, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Only one problem, William's voice sounds nothing like Staravia's. --☆ケンジガール 00:29, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

I think Michele Knotz might be voicing Staravia because as Starly it sounded like Torchic/Piplup Livinlarge18 21:13, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Can you ask her who did play Staravia? I know she may not answer, but it's worth a try. --PAK Man ^Talk 15:06, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Her website still is under construction and I'm not starting a voice 123 profile Livinlarge18 02:36, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I think it's gotta be Knotz; in "Luxray Vision", the voice Jessie put on in the cop disguise seemed ver similar, and had the same kind of warble as Staravia and the Skarmory from the MD special. Whoever edited it in, good on ya! Shift 06:41, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! Funny thing is, I think I did put its voice actress as Michele Knotz after DP002 aired but someone changed it to Emily Jenness. Turns out I was right. --☆ケンジガール 06:46, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Actually I put in Michele Knotz let me tell you someone should have never changed it since its voice as Starly sounds similar to Nurse Joy's Chansey,Dawn's Piplup and Torchic Livinlarge18 15:41, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

do this on the trivia

Ash's method of training Starly to learn Aerial Ace is almost the same as when he taught it to Swellow.Lindsayoris15 04:36, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Since when did Ash teach Starly/Staravia Aerial Ace? I'm sure it wasn't in any of the episodes.. I thought it had just learned it w/o teaching. - _spontaneousCombusken 05:02, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

No. He was teaching it how to do in in DP013. --☆ケンジガール 05:05, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

I better go rewatch that episode. =/ Edit: I guess it's similar, but then Starly didn't have the rope or the target... Well, it does have a target, but not one to hit. Bleh. I guess you could add that... Why ask here, is the page protected? - _spontaneousCombusken 05:06, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Just Like to say

Nice new Picture!Its Much Better--Davidaipom 10:59, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Contradiction

It says in the move list that Gust is "dub only" but in the trivia it says it was also present in the original.--Dman dustin 18:36, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Final warning

If one more person puts "Male" in the box, it's getting protected. No one said he so it's unconfirmed. The spot on its head changes sizes in different scenes so it's too hard to determine. And the female robot Staravia doesn't mean anything either. --ケンジのガール 22:27, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Uh, it kinda does, otherwise, Charizard is a lesbian again along with Croagunk. These pages are precedents, if Staravia falling in love with a fairly obviously female Staravia, isn't it safe to call it a him? Aura-Knight 01:05, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Not to mention the dot on the robotic Staravia's head is obviously smaller than Ash's Staravia. --Dman dustin 08:05, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

He's right, watching that scene it is clear as day that Staravia's dot is larger than the robot's. Aura-Knight 19:48, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Really? Cause it's not clear to me. There dots looked the same. If you notice, Staravia's spot changes throughout the episode. It can't be determined. End of discussion. What if Charizard and Staravia are female? And don't give me "that wouldn't happen in a kids show" crap. Japanese culture is different from ours. Sailor Moon was a children's cartoon, yet it had two lesbian Sailor Soldiers. It could happen, though admittedly, the probability is extremely low. It stays unknown until someone says "he". --ケンジのガール 06:17, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Just pointing out, and i dont know if anime follows game logic, but lets all asume the nice, Christian answer that with "breeding" comes love. Therefore If it falls in love, by game logic, its a member of the opposite gender recieving the love.DCM_{((曲奇饼妖怪Spy on My Edits))}

That may be. But we still have to go with the benefit-of-the-doubt. --ケンジのガール 06:25, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

But has game logic been proven wrong? Has their been a gay or lesbian character proved Gay or Lesbian? Isnt it safe to assume based off the fact that they still havent called a character gay or straight they wont include it, like levels in anime?DCM_{((曲奇饼妖怪Spy on My Edits))}

Sorry to do this but...

Where in those pictures are the dots the same size?--Dman dustin 05:28, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

I guess those pictures prove that Staravia is definately male. Dilophosaurus Rex 12:17, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Why does everything have to be spelled out via dialouge? Seriously isn't enough that this robot Staravia has a ribbon, and a small dot compared to Ash's Staravia? I mean obviously the animators didn't nilly willy make a female robot Staravia, just to let the audience members assume one way or the other. They did it to definately prove something the correct way. --Dman dustin 05:57, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

That looks more like an artificial Sweet Scent. The Dark Fiddler - Nos hablamos? 20:00, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

..Sorry for posting on an almost 2 months old topic,but maybe it should be put as Male Dub Only,like some of the other Pokemon. People do say Ash called it a "he" in the dub Lovely Rose 01:44, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Oddly, I could've swore I've heard Dawn refer to Staravia as "She" once or twice... lol. I just can't imagine Staravia as being male with the voice it has >_< Myzou 13:55, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Ehh, you forgot that his Japanese voice actor is Kiyotaka Furushima, the voice actor of Paul.. ►Ҝəυzø8 14:37, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Since It's Now Protected . . .

. . . can an admin change this mistake I found in the trivia? ". . . judging whether it "dot" is larger than others or not." That should be changed to 'its'. Thank you. シンジ_ShinjiLover,Edits 03:04, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Worry about it after it's unprotected. Seriously... ^ht14 11:40, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Sheesh, I can't just point out a mistake? =/ Its not like you needed to get all over my ass about this. SL-sama^contribs 11:42, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm not trying to be mean. You can also store it someplace else and worry about it later. ^ht14 02:30, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Ash's Staraptor

Hi guys it is finally confirmed that Staravia is going to evolve in Pokemon DP 118. It was finalized in the preview of DP 118. --♫♪Adyniz♪♫ 14:07, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

"Wait 'til it airs" The Dark Fiddler - 10% Satisfaction Guaranteed! 14:08, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

By your reasoning, it was "finalized" in the DP034 preview that Ash would capture Buizel in the episode. What happened in the episode itself didn't happen as the preview implied. Trust me, previews can be decieving, and it should be assumed that the DP118 preview is also decieving unless the episode itself proves otherwise. --Shiningpikablu252 17:14, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

A Staravia glows and evolves, that's not the same as a Poke ball rolling around. Unless of course you argue the B-button arguement, but then Staraptor's eye pretty much negates that point. I agree with wait until it airs, but that Buizel analogy was a pretty bad one, considering you don't actually see the ball "chime." in the preview. Evolutions on the other hand aren't as "vague." --Dman dustin 18:04, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, the evolution is likely confirmed, so serebii e.g. has already changed Ash's biography. But we should really wait and not discuss. :D --×Impoleon xy× 20:44, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

OK, evolution's happened, but I can't move the page, because Ash's Staraptor is protected against creation. I'm Missingno. Master. See my new and improved user page, and comment on it! 10:41, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Picture Suggestion?

Could I suggest any picture where Staraptor is next to Ash, because Ash's Staraptor is almost as tall as Ash, and I think it would demonstrate it's height as opposed to a standalone picture with only Staraptor in it. --Dman dustin 11:16, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

As long as it's png, and who the heck put a gif file there? Θρtιmαtum_Talk 11:54, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Emerald Sohma. Let's just wait until someone add a better pic. The episode has just aired a few hours ago, so we can't expect much. ►Ҝəυzø8 11:57, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Interesting... _*tc26_* 12:00, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

You're images are great, I must say. =D ►Ҝəυzø8 12:03, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Staraptor is Ash's only Pokémon that can be in a game spot

That is technically wrong. (look at the trivia, near the bottom) What about Pikachu? You can get pikachu in the game like that, can't you? Anyway, it doesn't even give an example of pikachu, let alone name it!

Pikachu doesn't count (at least in my opinion) because it was obtained prior to the Sinnoh Region. So it doesn't matter where you can find Pikachu. And in order for that trivia to be true, Ash would've had to gotten Pikachu at Mr. Backlots, the only place (as far as I know) where one can find wild Pikachu. Which is obviously not true. --Dman dustin 14:09, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Trivia

here a triva was can add, Staraptor is ash only flying type he caught when it was a Starly then Staravia and now Staraptor to have reach it 3th and final stage. ash did not catch Pidgeotto when it was a Pidgey. get it? Lindsayoris15 15:26, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

no i dont get it wtf are you saying? speak english please; but from what I gather your saying its ashs only flying type to reach its final form that he actually caught in its first form, is that right?Happizelpom 18:29, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

It sounds like that's what she was trying to say. And she may have been onto something, if not for Taillow. . SL-sama^contribs 18:31, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

It should be first three-stage flying type to do so. Ash's Swellow was the first to go from first evolution to final but was only two-stages. Either that or it doesn't need to be added at all.Ryuartyi 23:53, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

It also depends if you count Butterfree & Charizard for gaining the Flying-type when they evolved to Stage 2. Staraptor is the only 3-stage Flying-type that Ash has caught to go from Basic to Stage 2, to keep the same type combination through all stages. (But there's only 3 evolution families that even share that trait) - Kogoro | Talk to me - 00:02, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

• Staraptor is Ash's second flying type to reach its third evolution first was Pidgeot (even know it was caught as a Pidgeotto). its also Ash's only flying type to reach third evolution that he actually caught in its first evolution.Lindsayoris15 00:34, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

it isnt worth noting, let it go. -- MAGNEDETH 00:38, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Sorry. But its not that trivial because Butterfree and Charizard are flying types as well.--Clarky13 00:39, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

did ash first caught them when they were a Butterfree and Charizard no. - unsigned comment from Lindsayoris15 (talk • contribs)

Yeah, but he did catch them at their primary forms, Caterpie & Charmander - Kogoro | Talk to me - 00:44, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, exactly as Kogoro said. This "discussion" is getting a bit long. Posting it to the forum is much easier and smarter. And besides, half the page is trivia anyway.--Clarky13 00:46, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Voice Actor!!!

It is still unknown that who will be the Staraptor's Voice Actor. Then i want to know that in the first four lines (introduction) of the article why it is written that Staraptor is voiced by Sarah Natochenny.

--♫♪Adyniz♪♫ 07:56, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

All done. ^^ ►Ҝəυzø8 07:59, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

What do you mean by all done? Explain it please. --♫♪Adyniz♪♫ 08:02, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Look at the difference. — THE TROM — 08:03, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Okay now it looks better. --♫♪Adyniz♪♫ 08:07, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Sarah Natochenny has voiced every other Staraptor in the series, that's why. --HoennMaster 08:13, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Still guessing though. What's to say Sarah Natochenny is hit by a train before they make the dub? — THE TROM — 08:17, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Train's too harsh.. Maybe an airplane crash. D= Furushima also voices Staraptor in Japanese, yet he was not chosen to voice Ash's. ►Ҝəυzø8 08:19, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Sorry to disturb you guys again, but i want to suggest you that it would be better to remove that trivia in which it is written that "Staraptor is Ash's only Pokémon who shares an English voice actress with him" as we know that the voice actor of Ash's Staraptor is still unknown.I can also remove it but i thought that you guys are much experienced than me and you can decide it very well. --♫♪Adyniz♪♫ 08:49, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Go ahead. Since we don't know yet who will voice Staraptor, let's just get rid off it for a while to be safe. If ever Natochenny will voice him again (which I doubt, since Staraptor needs masculine voice), we can just add it back. ►Ҝəυzø8 08:53, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Thank you very much for helping me. --♫♪Adyniz♪♫ 08:56, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

True that Sarah may not voice Staraptor, but the English dub usually doesn't have more then one voice actor for Pokémon (besides the VA switch). --HoennMaster 03:29, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Well, Tyler's Pippy had a different voice to Dawn's Piplup, so you never know. Torngentleman2 19:04, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

That's why I said usually. --HoennMaster 03:55, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Finally, the voice actor is confirmed. I watched today's episode and it was sarah natochenny. --♫♪Adyniz♪♫ 16:27, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Ability?

Why is its ability unknown? Staraptor can only have Intimidate. Dilophosaurus Rex 14:53, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Has Staraptor ever been seen using Intimidate and/or referenced as having used Intimidate? Didn't think so. If no ability's been confirmed to have been used, we leave it as unknown, even if the Pokémon has only one possible ability at the present time. For all we know, Staraptor'll get a new ability in Generation V and Prof. Oak'll call Ash sometime after beating a Dark-type gym in the country where Generation V takes place and reveal that he's studied Staraptor using that new ability. Simply put, if it's not used, it's left as unknown, simple as that. --Shiningpikablu252 15:04, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Streak

I saw this in Ash's Swellow trivia: "Swellow has won at least once in every battle it has been used in except against Morrison where it tied with his Gligar, and as a Taillow, it lost to Brawly's Machop upon Ash's first challenge, and against Drew's Roselia in Now That's Flower Power!. " If I'm not wrong, this is also true for staraptor, since it evolved into staravia, he has won at least once in every battle before being knocked out. And as a Staraptor he hasn't broken the streak Luord 20:55, 29 April 2010 (UTC)Luord

Personally I think that trivia is a bit contrived, but ignoring that, it would have to note the loss to Gardenia in Eterna Forest in DP031.

Also, just a note, when you sign you don't need to type your username after the tildes. Werdnae (talk) 22:17, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

I'm personally of the belief that if a trivial point says "... except for..." then it's not a very good trivia point. —darklordtrom 22:23, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Yep, I forgot that battle with Gardenia, but as a Staraptor i think it has kept the streak, unless I'm missing somethingLuord 23:38, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

DP186

Doesn't Staraptor's involvement in the battle sound weird? I mean how it's posted.RBK 01:17, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Only one?

Just watched DP002, and is Staraptor (as a Starly) the only Pokémon Ash caught without the presence of Pikachu? ^tc²₆tc₂₆ 03:56, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Well there is Palpitoad (Pikachu was sick) but Starly might be the first. Looking at the Pokemon I think it's debatable but there is Krabby as a possibility. But Starly might have been the first no question. --Dman dustin 04:25, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Trivia and move table

The trivia point says the dub left it as gust until the first episode it apparently used Gust in (according to the move table). And the trivia point also states that even the Original Japanese version called it Gust instead of whirlwind? Can someone explain why to me please because it doesn't really make sense, especially if you follow the trivia point--Ditto51/Tom (My Talk Page) 09:08, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Gender difference

Forehead patch doesn't go beyond eyes, it's female?

I've already edited it three times, it's time to discuss it. This is one of minor differences which we can't use as proof.--Rocket Grunt 12:40, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Do we have any other instance where its gender was mentioned, directly or indirectly, besides DP103 and the visual differences? Adil — Talk page 00:43, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

After assessing Staraptor's case, we have come to the conclusion that its gender should be changed to Unknown. The solitary evidence that supports it being male is DP103, where James uses the decoy Staravia and an artificial method/attract-like scent to lure Ash's, there is nothing outright addressed in both Japanese and English versions that confirms its gender besides said artificial method. I want to rectify a previous comment of mine, where I said the Staravia decoy was called 'princess staravia trap number 5', which was incorrect. The correct dialogue is 'Now a spritz of Staravia Attract Number Five!'. So, my apologies if it caused further confusion. The head bow on the decoy, with whom Ash's Staravia got infatuated, doesn't count as acceptable evidence as we have addressed this several times before that the gender stereotypes are not enough to verify genders in the anime. There was also a previous claim that it was confirmed male in the English dub (episode 4), but I checked and didn't find anything.

As for the visual differences, it's super ambiguous to be honest. Unless the anime actually wants to address size/minor shape differences (e.g. Goh's Raichu's tail, where they intentionally make an effort to point out the difference, as it plays a role in the plot), in general it can often be very inconsistent about such things. Especially in Staraptor's case, the size of the dots is definitely not enough to confirm its gender, because it is not immediately evident or distinct enough to judge the difference. Therefore, again, it has been decided that its gender will be changed to Unknown. If there is something else we have missed or overlooked, please let us know. Adil — Talk page 05:08, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

Gender

It looks like Ash's Staraptor is confirmed to be Male internationally because of his forehead's spot being visibly big (like in the games, and don't throw in the "games=/=anime" argument because his Staraptor clearly has the Male spot), and because his page already is peppered with male pronouns.
Gallade User 03:24 4 May 2021 (UTC)

First, you were replying to a section that was over twelve years ago. Second, look at the most recent section prior to this one, the animators aren't consistent with how big the forehead spot should be as shown from the image there.Animaltamer7 (talk) 05:25, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

The patch is drawn inconsistently, and it definitely imply female in the image above.--Rocket Grunt 10:24, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Pink bow

Clearly I'm misunderstood here. I didn't write that wearing pink bow makes this Staravia female, but that it IMPLIES it's supposed to be female, also I didn't write it as a proof, but as a trivia.--Rocket Grunt 17:05, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

Doesn't matter. Just because it had a bow, doesn't mean it's meant to imply that it's female. Putting a bow on something does not mean it's suddenly of a specific gender.--ForceFire 17:08, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

Of course it does, it's obvious. That's cultural implication, there is no other reason to do that. The show is made for children, so they are supposed to understand it.--Rocket Grunt 23:25, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

People can come to their own conclusions, sure. It's obvious, sure. But it doesn't mean we're going to put it on the site. Cultural implications is not a good reason to add it, especially in this day and age.--ForceFire 05:38, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

Why not? Because that just seems like a gatekeeping, filtering facts we don't like.--Rocket Grunt 14:41, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

Because the clothing doesn't determine ones gender? A pink bow doesn't automatically make it female.--ForceFire 15:25, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

That's what I'm saying. It's not determined, it's implied, so it will only appear as trivia. Also, in the episode "EP124:Snubbull Snobbery" Brock says that pink bows on Snubbull make her a girl, so it's even stated for the children.--Rocket Grunt 19:34, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

That's still different, in the sense that it was stated. We can say that about Snubbull because we have something verbal to go off of. If it weren't stated, then it'd be speculation based on gender stereotypes, and that is not what we want.--ForceFire 05:07, 9 June 2021 (UTC)