Talk:Execution of Oleksandr Matsievskyi

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The result of the move request was: Moved to Early 2023 execution of a Ukrainian prisoner of war. Super Ψ Dro 19:17, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Execution of Tymofii Shadura → Execution of Oleksandr Matsievskyi – NOTE: The video came to light three days ago. It would be ideal if this discussion was not extended to the usual seven days. Many readers are getting into this article now that it is recent and as an encyclopedia we should make sure we provide users the best information as quick as possible.

It appears it's been confirmed the victim was Oleksandr Matsievskyi and not Tymofii Shadura. We have sources talking about this, including Ukrinform, a Ukrainian state media outlet [2] [3]. The move should be in theory uncontroversial but a RM will raise more awareness, needed as the article is now missing information and needs work to adapt to this finding. Super Ψ Dro 15:20, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: The Guardian article you linked doesn't say that it was confirmed to be Matsievskyi, it says that it's disputed who it is. I also think that it's probably Matsievskyi, but I'd want to see a clearer consensus among sources before moving. In the meantime, I would support a move to some sort of more ambiguous title that doesn't say the name of the victim, seeing how there seems to be uncertainty. HappyWith (talk) 17:22, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

>The captured Ukrainian who was allegedly shot after saying "Glory to Ukraine!" is named Alexander Matsiyevsky. This was the claim made by the 119th Brigade of Territorial Defense of the Chernihiv region

>Earlier another name was called - Timofei Shadura

https://twitter.com/SvobodaRadio/status/1633779150577102849

>According to colleagues, the prisoner was recognized on the video by the military personnel of the Matsievsky unit, the son and mother. He spoke with her by phone on December 29 and allegedly said that he would never surrender.

>The bodies of the dead were handed over to the Ukrainian side. Matsievsky was identified by his relatives and on February 14, 2023, he was buried in Nizhyn, according to the brigade's Facebook page.

Earlier, in the armed forces of Ukraine, another name was given to the prisoner. The brigade named after Prince Konstantin Ostrozhsky reported that Timofei Shadura was on the video footage. He was also identified by relatives and colleagues. According to them, the serviceman was considered missing since February 3 after the battles near Bakhmut.

https://svoboda.org/a/novye-svedeniya-o-lichnosti-voennogo-ubitogo-posle-slov-slava-ukraine-/32310066.html ZZZeez (talk) 19:33, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Dromaeosauruses, we should act with agility, as soon as credible sources are provided. @ZZZeez We need to add corrective sources in the article before doing he renaming. So far, the few corrective sources i read were tweets by news agencies. It's too little. We need articles. Yug (talk) 🐲 06:50, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

'Change to neutral title given that the executed's identity is ambiguous, the title should be changed to a neutral one until it is confidently identified as either one of them. Hemiauchenia (talk) 07:29, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@HappyWithWhatYouHaveToBeHappyWith , @ZZZeez , @Super Dromaeosaurus, @Hemiauchenia, there will be few weeks before a formal and credible clarification, and we are not here to make probability bets. So I renamed for something more generic and updated the page content as well. If someone look for the next avenue of improvement, the identifications boxes could be harmonized further : the man in the video, Shadura, and Matsievskyi. Good job anyway to this page's editors who were super reactive on this complex case. Yug (talk) 🐲 18:40, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. HappyWith (talk) 18:55, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• I've manually ended the RM. The new title fixes the raised issue. As others have said, information will be clearer in the next few days/weeks. Super Ψ Dro 19:15, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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