Peter, Paul and Mary Magdalene: The Followers of Jesus in History and Legend
by Bart D. Ehrman
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- Oxford University Press, USA (2008), Paperback, 304 pages
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Historian of religion Ehrman takes readers on a tour of the early Christian church, illuminating the lives of three of Jesus' most intriguing followers: Simon Peter, Paul of Tarsus, and Mary Magdalene. What do the writings of the New Testament tell us about each of these key followers of Christ? What legends have sprung up about them in the centuries after their deaths? Was Paul bow-legged and bald? Was Peter crucified upside down? Was Mary Magdalene a prostitute? Ehrman separates fact from show more fiction, presenting complicated historical issues in a clear and informative way and relating anecdotes culled from the traditions of these three followers.--From publisher description. show lessTags
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This is one of Ehrman's lesser known titles, but it's one of his better ones. He really shines and illuminates when discussing the very first moments of christianity and even though he's discussed the people around Jesus in his other books, it's never to this depth. With the actual scriptures giving only a rough sketch, we need to delve into supporting materials, apocrypha, historical research and plain speculation and interpretation, and that's where it gets really interesting. How much of the stories around these principal characters were later inventions? How do theological battles figure into how they're portrayed? Did alternative christianities exist that would have ranked them differently (the battle between Peter and Paul is of show more particular interest here)? Making it about the other people of the Bible experiencing and interpreting the events makes the questions it prompts much more relatable. show less
This may be my favorite among Ehrman books. It details the legends of three of the most important followers of Jesus in the Bible.
Few of the stories told are considered historical; even stories that derive from the Bible are not considered literally true by Ehrman. For example, many of our stories come from the book of Acts, and about a quarter of Acts is made up of speeches by its characters, mostly Peter and Paul. But the speeches all sound about the same; Peter sounds like Paul and Paul sounds like Peter. This may seem a bit odd, given the fact that Peter was an illiterate peasant who spoke Aramaic, whereas Paul was a well-educated, highly astute author raised in a Greek-speaking environment. Ehrman handles these situations with show more characteristic bluntness: “When we examine what Peter is alleged to have preached, we are in effect seeing what different authors imagined him to have said—which may come down to the same thing as seeing what authors would have wanted him to say.”
Nevertheless, even knowing that nearly all we have about these characters is legend, the legends are fascinating and the book is fun to read. Ehrman takes a shot at unraveling which epistles are written by these three (a few of the Pauline epistles is all) and he dives into a number of second-century non-canonical Christian writings, presenting his findings in three parts: One part for each character. The section on Peter is absolutely fascinating; the section on Paul is argumentative, and not so original (Ehrman’s usual chip on the shoulder regarding pseudonymous writing makes an appearance); and the section on Mary will leave you bewildered, definitely thinking differently about her and the role of women in early Christianity. Ehrman puts it like this:
“The Christian religion is founded on the belief that Jesus was raised from the dead. And it appears virtually certain that it was Mary Magdalene of all people, an otherwise unknown Galilean Jewish woman of means, who first propounded this belief. It is not at all far fetched to claim that Mary was the founder of Christianity.” show less
Few of the stories told are considered historical; even stories that derive from the Bible are not considered literally true by Ehrman. For example, many of our stories come from the book of Acts, and about a quarter of Acts is made up of speeches by its characters, mostly Peter and Paul. But the speeches all sound about the same; Peter sounds like Paul and Paul sounds like Peter. This may seem a bit odd, given the fact that Peter was an illiterate peasant who spoke Aramaic, whereas Paul was a well-educated, highly astute author raised in a Greek-speaking environment. Ehrman handles these situations with show more characteristic bluntness: “When we examine what Peter is alleged to have preached, we are in effect seeing what different authors imagined him to have said—which may come down to the same thing as seeing what authors would have wanted him to say.”
Nevertheless, even knowing that nearly all we have about these characters is legend, the legends are fascinating and the book is fun to read. Ehrman takes a shot at unraveling which epistles are written by these three (a few of the Pauline epistles is all) and he dives into a number of second-century non-canonical Christian writings, presenting his findings in three parts: One part for each character. The section on Peter is absolutely fascinating; the section on Paul is argumentative, and not so original (Ehrman’s usual chip on the shoulder regarding pseudonymous writing makes an appearance); and the section on Mary will leave you bewildered, definitely thinking differently about her and the role of women in early Christianity. Ehrman puts it like this:
“The Christian religion is founded on the belief that Jesus was raised from the dead. And it appears virtually certain that it was Mary Magdalene of all people, an otherwise unknown Galilean Jewish woman of means, who first propounded this belief. It is not at all far fetched to claim that Mary was the founder of Christianity.” show less
Reading this book makes one suspect the author chose this topic not just because these are three of the most important individuals in Christian history, but also because he wanted to begin and end with Peter, Paul, and Mary songs from the 1960s. That said, the book was a well-written look at what we do (and don't) know about the three ancients of the title. He explores the actual biblical documentation, as well as extra-biblical texts such as the Nag Hammadi library and other texts that have turned up throughout the years. He examines what role each played in the development of what is now the world's largest religion, and tries to separate what is real from what is mythological, while acknowledging that this is very difficult to do show more with any degree of certainty. He discusses not only the writings that were left behind (Paul is the only one who left behind any writings that we can be certain were his, and Mary left none at all), but those that were composed in their name. He also explores how they were remembered in legend and myth, and discusses how that was both because of theological evolution and driving theological evolution. Overall, a satisfying book, but with a few weaknesses in use of sourcing (he tends to ignore those sources that don't agree with him) and also in some historically questionable statements, such as thinking that historians are in agreement that Nero burned Rome and blamed it on the Christians. Final summary: good, but could be better. It is great to see a work that collects history, myth, and legend on these three charismatic Christian leaders in one handy source. show less
This is one of Ehrman's best. He goes into great detail about the lives of St. Peter, St. Paul, and Mary Magdelene, from the legends to what the Bible tells us. It is in depth and extremely comparative.
Folks that believe in the inerrancy of the Bible won't like it, since it points out continuity errors in the New Testament, but for everybody else, it should provide some interesting new ways of looking at the lives of Jesus' most "well-known" followers.
And if it doesn't at least somewhat change your views on what you thought you knew about these three figures, then you are either two close-minded to have even bothered with it or you are way too learned on this subject and should just go teach.
3 stars because, as engaging and interesting show more as this is, it took me forever to read it. Very small print made for very few pages read at each sitting. Might have been better as three separate volumes. show less
Folks that believe in the inerrancy of the Bible won't like it, since it points out continuity errors in the New Testament, but for everybody else, it should provide some interesting new ways of looking at the lives of Jesus' most "well-known" followers.
And if it doesn't at least somewhat change your views on what you thought you knew about these three figures, then you are either two close-minded to have even bothered with it or you are way too learned on this subject and should just go teach.
3 stars because, as engaging and interesting show more as this is, it took me forever to read it. Very small print made for very few pages read at each sitting. Might have been better as three separate volumes. show less
Ehrman's book gives a rich history of the Early Church and parses through many documents about Peter, Paul, and Mary Magdalene to give a truer portrait than is popularly conceived. I liked this book a lot because it gave Church history without being overly didactic or intolerant.
Two stars was about right for this book for me.
[a:Bart D. Ehrman|643|Bart D. Ehrman|https://d.gr-assets.com/authors/1237161718p2/643.jpg] is probably my favorite author when it comes to New Testament scholarship, and his books never fail to hold my interest. That having been said, this book was a rather large missed opportunity in my opinion. Much of what is said is repeated from section to section, and later traditions are not treated at all. I understand the purpose of this book was to explain what historical figure lies behind the traditions, but the traditions could have been treated more thoroughly prior to pulling back that mask.
Also missing were quotations from the texts themselves. I'd more highly recommend a book like [b:Lost show more Christianities|107273|Lost Christianities The Battles for Scripture and the Faiths We Never Knew|Bart D. Ehrman|https://d.gr-assets.com/books/1347737866s/107273.jpg|103407] or even [b:Misquoting Jesus|9254211|Misquoting Jesus|Frederic P. Miller|https://d.gr-assets.com/books/1348708696s/9254211.jpg|14134825] for this sort of information. This book could easily have been much better. show less
[a:Bart D. Ehrman|643|Bart D. Ehrman|https://d.gr-assets.com/authors/1237161718p2/643.jpg] is probably my favorite author when it comes to New Testament scholarship, and his books never fail to hold my interest. That having been said, this book was a rather large missed opportunity in my opinion. Much of what is said is repeated from section to section, and later traditions are not treated at all. I understand the purpose of this book was to explain what historical figure lies behind the traditions, but the traditions could have been treated more thoroughly prior to pulling back that mask.
Also missing were quotations from the texts themselves. I'd more highly recommend a book like [b:Lost show more Christianities|107273|Lost Christianities The Battles for Scripture and the Faiths We Never Knew|Bart D. Ehrman|https://d.gr-assets.com/books/1347737866s/107273.jpg|103407] or even [b:Misquoting Jesus|9254211|Misquoting Jesus|Frederic P. Miller|https://d.gr-assets.com/books/1348708696s/9254211.jpg|14134825] for this sort of information. This book could easily have been much better. show less
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New Testament scholar Bart D. Ehrman grew up in Lawrence, Kansas and graduated from Wheaton College in 1978. He earned his Masters of Divinity and PhD from Princeton Theological Seminary and has taught at Rutgers University and the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, where he is the James A. Gray Distinguished Professor. He has published show more more than 20 scholarly and popular books, including three New York Times bestsellers, plus numerous articles and book reviews. (Bowker Author Biography) show less
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- Original title
- Peter, Paul, and Mary Magdalene
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- 2006
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- Mary Magdalene; Saint Peter; Saint Paul
- Dedication*
- Dedicato a tutto il clan Beckwith - Jack,
Barbara, Tommy, Mike, Simon, James,
Julia, Peter, Gill, Holly, Emily e Charlie -
che mi ha accolto e mi ha permesso
di rimanere in ascolto - First words*
- Benché il libro non parli del trio folk degli anni Sessanta Peter, Paul and Mary, vorrei iniziare menzionandoli e citando una delle loro canzoni più famose:
Se avessi un martello, martellerei al mattino,
marteller... (show all)ei la sera per tutto il paese.
A colpi di martello segnalerei il pericolo, metterei sull'avviso,
instillerei l'amore tra i fratelli e le sorelle,
in tutto il paese. - Quotations*
- L'importanza di Pietro, Paolo e Maria non risiede soltanto nel loro status di figure storiche del primo secolo, ma anche nelle immagini che, dei tre personaggi, si tramandarono nei secoli successivi quando fiorirono leggende ... (show all)sul loro conto, spesso assunte come «verità evangeliche»da coloro che le udirono e le raccontarono.
[...] noi stessi non siamo tanto diversi dai narratori del mondo antico: non riferiamo gli eventi del passato semplicemente per indicare ciò che avvenne, ma per l'importanza che rivestono nella nostra vita odierna. Equivale ... (show all)a dire, a conti fatti, che nessuno nutre puri e semplici interessi da studioso per il passato in quanto tale. Al contrario, il passato ci affascina perché può aiutarci a trovare il senso dl presente, della nostra vita, delle credenze, di valori, di principi che abbiamo, del mondo in cui viviamo e di come lo percepiamo. Se questa interpretazione è corretta, e guarda caso io penso che lo sia, ebbene, in senso stretto non esiste uno studio «disinteressato» del passato: attrae tutti noi che ce ne occupiamo per il modo in cui ci spinge a pensare a noi stessi e alla nostra vita.
Gli antichi che raccontarono le vicende dei primi seguaci di Gesù adottarono certamente lo stesso approccio «interessato». Le narrarono non tanto per trasmettere in modo oggettivo ciò che accadde, ma per il significato che rivestivano ai loro occhi, che quelle storie fossero, o meno, fedeli alla realtà in senso stretto. Di conseguenza, noi storici moderni abbiamo, tra le altre cose, un duplice compito. Da una parte ci sforziamo di stabilire, al meglio delle nostre capacità, che cosa è veramente accaduto in passato: che cosa dissero, fecero e come vissero Pietro, Paolo e Maria Maddalena? Al tempo stesso indaghiamo sul modo in cui il passato venne rammentato da chi in seguito ne parlò, raccontandone aneddoti, anche quando questi non garantivano fedeltà storica.
È paradossale, in un certo senso, che spesso sia più facile sapere come fu tramandato il passato piuttosto che accertare la verità storica. In effetti, a volte, pur mettendocela tutta, è impossibile separare la leggenda d... (show all)alla storia, le narrazioni inventate di sana pianta dai fatti realmente accaduti. La caratteristica più sconfortante della storia è che è sparita per sempre. Un cosa, non appena accade, è fatta e finita e se è vero che restano tracce degli uomini e degli eventi passati, esse sono sempre incomplete, parziali, tendenziose, vaghe e soggette a una varietà di interpretazioni. Gli storici fanno del loro meglio a ricostruire gli eventi passati a partire dalle prove tutto esistenti, ma la storia non è una scienza empirica, capace di fissare alti livelli di probabilità basandosi su risultati certi ottenuti dalla ripetizione dei medesimi esperimenti. La storia è tanto arte quanto scienza.
La verità è che nessuno, nemmeno l'autore, può prevedere in che modo una storia sarà interpretata. Non appena narrate, le storie continuano a vivere di vita propria. E, vivendo, si modificano. Accadeva in particolar modo ... (show all)nel mondo antico, dove non esisteva nessuna delle possibilità e limitazioni offerte dai massa media contemporanei. Se compro un CD in cui Peter Paul and Mary cantano «L'albero di limone è grazioso e il suo fiore è dolce / ma il povero limone ha un frutto immangiabile», posso recarmi in un;altra città, in uno stato diverso, comperare un'altra copia del brano e sentirò sempre la stessa canzone. Inoltre, posso ripetere l'operazione tutte le volte che voglio.
Una situazione del genere era semplicemente impossibile nel mondo antico, dove non c'erano mezzi di riproduzione meccanica o elettronica che potessero garantire la fedeltà del prodotto. Chi viveva a quei tempio non poteva comprendere o non vedeva la necessità di preservare immodificata una testimonianza a mano a mano che veniva narrata. in generale è l'atteggiamento proprio di chi vive in una cultura orale ed è l'esatto contrario dell'approccio di chi appartiene a una un cultura scritta o elettronica. Nell'antichità gli interpreti modificavano canzoni e storia a seconda delle proprie sensazioni ed emozioni, accordandole alla situazione in cui si ritrovavano a cantare o a recitare. I cambiamenti venivano apportati in relazione al pubblico, all'ora del giorno, al contesto storico o culturale o politico e così via. - Last words*
- (Click to show. Warning: May contain spoilers.)Anche noi parliamo del passato per il significato che riveste nel presente, anche noi riportiamo conoscenze, pensieri e convinzioni nel modo che ci sembra più opportuno, anche noi cerchiamo di comprendere il passato per poter capire il mondo in cui viviamo.
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