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My Name Is Red by Orhan Pamuk
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My fickle heart longs for the West when I'm in the East and for the East when I'm in the West.
My other parts insist I be a woman when I'm a man and a man when I'm a woman.
How difficult it is being human, even worse is living a human's life.
I only want to amuse myself frontside and backside, to be Eastern and Western both.


This is Pamuk's enduring, never ending obsession. He's written fiction and non-fiction, journal articles and newspaper bites, and given endless interviews on this theme. He's even been thrown in jail and put on trial for the identity he has chosen. He's won the Nobel Prize in Literature for his commitment to expressing his deeply divided mind and spirit, and that (at least he and many others believe) of his country- Turkey. (I apologize in advance if this ends up being something of a ramble through the literary bramble, but I can only say that that would mirror the experience of reading this book.)

My Name is Red will tell you that it is a murder mystery, set in 16th century Istanbul, under the rule of the Sultan. But it will also tell you that it is about many other things, each of which changes, ephermerally, by the moment. The atmosphere of the story digs a little bit into Garcia-Marquez's garden, but storytelling would never be mistaken for his. Each chapter is told by a different voice- some of which are plausible members of a storytelling round, and some of which would really only belong in that category if you were on acid, but they all seem about equally credible, due to the fact that nobody is really credible, so one might as well be fiction or myth as fact. (For instance, we hear from the voices of the drawing of a horse, the fake voice of a woman who is actually a man, a gold piece and the color red.) It is ethereal, elusive, and there isn't one incarnation of the mind that can be trusted here. Don't fall into the trap of assuming that what you read has anything to do with anything other than the particular pyschology of the moment- Pamuk is a master of depicting the every day track of a mind, and how unreliable each feeling of a moment is- how everything important is changed by the fact that one just happens to feel hungry at a particular moment, or desperately horny at another. It is an absolute masterwork of insight on the psychology of a particular people at a particular time, and all the various reasons why they are that way, and yet he is able to make them as relatable as possible through it all.

What struck me the most throughout the entire book was how terrified, it seemed, that Pamuk was of missing something. While other authors might be striving to become masters of literature, masters of form, I think Pamuk wished that he could be nothing so much as a master of tapestry-making. I think he would die happy if he could have given this book to the theoretical Weaver in the sky and gotten it back as a divine scrap of worked fabric. There are lists upon lists upon lists of endless things that go on for pages, only to stop and start up once again. As a part of his contradictory feelings towards the West, in a culture whose stories and traditions often originated in the East... although he longs for the West, he's terrified, just as his characters are, that everything they know from the East will disappear. It seems like he can't stop himself- there's some sort of driving fear if he doesn't list everything about history and culture and myth, and repeat all the stories again and again to make sure we remember what they are, it will be gone forever. His expression of ambivalence towards Western culture perfectly expresses the mindset of illuminators in 16th century Istanbul terrified that their entire lives are about to become irrelevant.

The other absorbing, fascinating, and horrifying thing was how well Pamuk illustrates the idea that absolutely nobody speaks with their own voice, both through his painters, constrained by centuries of adherance to a perfect style that some random master brought out of Baghdad that depicts the "perspective of Allah." It is considered heresy and a fault to have a "style", and "signatures" are furitively hidden away as much as possible- the idea that blindness is the ideal to be obtained for these artists is just heartbreaking- at least to someone coming at it from a Western perspective, where seeing painters deliberately rob themselves of their sight, their most precious commodity, over and over again, in the course of obtaining a meaningless idea of perfection that is not their own. The murderer throughout this book strives endlessly to hide himself by speaking in a voice that does not at all resemble how we see him in other places. The majority of people who are speaking a themselves tell stories in order to express their feelings- in fact at the beginning all the suspected illuminators speak almost entirely in story form in order to answer any important question on any philosophical, religious, or even personal topic. Expressing one's feelings just isn't done. One doesn't go up to the pretty boy one would like to fuck and tell him so, one tells him a parable about a gorgeous boy in order to show your admiration for him. Much as the pictures are seen as the "perspective of Allah," it seems that there is only one way to speak, too, in the "words of Allah," or those stories which are sanctioned by the authorities as legitimate- the authority of Allah on earth. It was the ultimate tragedy of the book from the Western perspective, and the ultimate triumph of the book from the accepted ides of the time, all of these de-individualized people (as much as can be done or denied or pushed from sight) striving towards the goal of seeing as Allah does, ever in the correct way.

But everyone recognizes the end of the "Eastern" way of life coming from the West, in the guise of the "Venetian" ways that everyone will want to slavishly follow in the future, ways which reactionary preachers and religious people are protesting against before they've even made serious headway, trying to keep their way of life "pure." But the rest of the book poitns out again and again that there is no way that the culture of the Ottoman Empire was pure in any way- no constantly conquering culture with a large army and a long reach could ever be. No autocratic society that entailed artisans, craftsman and soldiers to pick up and serve someone else once their lord was defeated (if they weren't killed out right) could develop in isolation without any influence from the outside. He shows globalization already happening, back in the 16th century, and how deep the effects penetrate then and now.

I loved his Istanbul for his brilliant evocation of identity, living with a burdensome past and an uncertain future, for its poetry and its memory. My Name is Red accomplishes much the same thing, with more magic- but just enough dirt to bring it right straight home where it belongs in 2009.
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Reading Progress

July 15, 2009 – Shelved
August 18, 2009 –
page 50
11.99% ""I was supposed to be part of your story, but I fell from it like a leaf in autumn.""
August 21, 2009 –
page 111
26.62% ""After awhile, we'd begin to worship a picture we've hung on a wall, regardless of the original intentions.""
August 28, 2009 –
page 200
47.96% "Pamuk remains a major talent crush. Hoping I get an afternoon to curl up with this and finish it soon."
August 31, 2009 –
page 300
71.94% "A book best read in large chunks, lest you lose the ambience- and that would be a shame."
Started Reading
September 1, 2009 – Finished Reading
September 10, 2009 – Shelved as: fiction
September 10, 2009 – Shelved as: worlds-lost-dead-and-dying
September 11, 2009 – Shelved as: owned
March 2, 2010 – Shelved as: turkey-and-ottomans
March 2, 2010 – Shelved as: identity-crisis
March 26, 2010 – Shelved as: 21st-century
October 21, 2011 – Shelved as: grand-opera

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John Pamuk is scintillating stuff, Kelly. I may just have to review this one.


message 2: by Kelly (last edited Jul 16, 2009 05:05AM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Kelly You should, I'd love to read your perspective! I read his Istanbul and it is one of my favorite books, I just haven't read his fiction yet.


message 3: by Bibliomantic (new)

Bibliomantic I started 'Snow' a couple of years ago, found it beautiful, but had to return it to the shelves for a time. I have 'Red' as well and will have to get to both soon, perhaps 'Snow' first since I was rather enthralled by it.


Kelly Even after having only read a small chunk of this, I can't wait to read 'Snow' very soon. Maybe we'll read it around the same time and will be able to discuss.


John If you guys are interested, I've now got a 5-star review up for RED. SNOW's a winner, too, but my pick would be this one.


Kelly Yeah, I actually saw that, but it seemed like there might be some spoilers in there, so I didn't want to read it yet. I'll read it when I've finished the book. :)


John No spoilers, Kelly! Yes, I mull over the whole book, but I in no way expose essentials.


message 8: by Bibliomantic (new)

Bibliomantic Kelly, I would be interested in your take on 'Snow' as well. With other things on my lap right now, I will probably pick it up again in October.


Kelly October sounds like a good time for me- I've got a couple books lined up before it, so I should be finishing those about then. Let me know when you feel like starting and hopefully we'll be able to sync up starting times.


message 10: by Bibliomantic (new)

Bibliomantic Sounds good.


message 11: by Rebecca (new)

Rebecca Kelly, article for you...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2009/...


Kelly Rebecca, thank you so much! I would love to expand my Turkish reading list beyond Pamuk- I did a bit of poetry for a class at school, but beyond that, I've only read Pamuk and non-fiction.


message 13: by Aylin (new)

Aylin I've heard this is good- it's in my queue:
Portrait of a Turkish Family by Irfan Orga


message 14: by Kelly (last edited Sep 11, 2009 06:33AM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Kelly Although, I admit I also have an image of Pamuk walking up to a pretty boy and telling him he wants to fuck him, which I know wasn't your point, but it's stuck in my head now.

It's all about sex, baby- that's another subplot to this one that I didn't really get into. All its issues with the denial of sexuality, the seclusion of women, and the, ahem, price the boys of the society have to pay for it. There's a fascinatingly fucked up conception of "love" that gets explored, too.

But on the topic of Pamuk not wanting to miss something- I think it does have as much to do with love of everything he sees around him, and his choice of knowing the local with depth rather than the breadth as a dillettante as it does with fear. But he's just so breathless about it, so through, its hard not to want to examine the psychology behind it all.

Thanks- and on a side note, speaking of great reviews- your review of Possession let me find out about the Victorian reading group you mentioned, which I joined, and which'll be great for helping me stay motivated to get through some of those big tomes I've been meaning to read. So yeah, thanks for that. :)


message 15: by Martine (new)

Martine Kelly and Bibliomantic, are you still going to read Snow in October? If so, I may join you, if you don't mind. I've owned the book for a while now, but haven't got round to reading it yet. I'd like to do so one of these months.

By the way, what is this Victorian reading group you mentioned, Kelly? I've been trying to stay away from groups, but this sounds like a group I may want to join...

Oh, and last but not least, good review, Kelly. :-)


message 16: by Kelly (last edited Sep 19, 2009 06:46PM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Kelly Hi, Martine, thanks, and- I'm still up for reading Snow in October- I'm a wee bit distracted by the Aubrey/Maturin series at the moment, but I'm happy to take a break from it for a group reading project with you guys, it sounds like fun and would be a great motivation. :) Bibliomantic, you still on board?

Martine, it's the Victorians! group on my profile, they have reading groups for various books, one Victorian and one Pseudo-Victorian every couple of months. Right now, its Middlemarch and Possession, next up is Woman in White. I haven't gotten involved yet, but I have been lurking, and I'm enjoying the read so far: http://www.goodreads.com/group/show/2...


Kelly Well, I'm reading through Possession again now that I've finished Master and Commander to refresh my memory and then I'll jump in!


message 18: by Martine (new)

Martine Cool, Kelly. I'll dig Snow up from the box in which it is currently languishing (I have yet to unpack the majority of my books as I don't have enough bookcases yet...), and I'll await your signal come October. I hope Bibliomantic does join us -- that would be great.

The Victorians! group looks excellent, but I'm refraining from joining right now because I have to finish a few other projects before plunging headlong into a new time sink. I'll definitely get involved later, though. Thanks for the link!

Elizabeth, your glowing review of Possession made me want to put my to-read pile aside and re-read the book as soon as possible. I read and liked it without loving it in the early 1990s. Since then my appreciation for AS Byatt has increased considerably, so I guess I should give Possession another try. I'll get round to it eventually...


message 19: by Bibliomantic (new)

Bibliomantic I'm still onboard. I'll probably start reading this weekend.


message 20: by Kelly (last edited Sep 21, 2009 07:23AM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Kelly Sweet, I'm glad you're still in! Although, I think I'll be a bit behind you, Biblio, I don't think I'll be able to start until the first weekend of October, but I will try to catch up. Martine, does a start time of in two weeks work for you or is that a bit soon? Or if you're raring to go as Biblio is, I'll try to catch up to both of you ASAP.


message 21: by Martine (new)

Martine Kelly, two weeks from now works very well for me. Don't let that keep you from getting started this weekend, though, Bibliomantic. Kelly and I will just have to catch up with you...


message 22: by Bibliomantic (last edited Sep 28, 2009 07:55AM) (new)

Bibliomantic I started reading last evening... I don't mind the extra few days. This book is best read in a relaxed mood.


Kelly Excellent. I'm glad that our pace of reading won't be too far off from each other's then.


TheGirlBytheSeaofCortez I loved MY NAME IS RED when I read it. It's so different from any other book I've ever read or started to read and then abandoned.


message 25: by Taylor (new) - added it

Taylor Love all your reviews, my dear cousin! Another GR friend reviewed this recently, and then as I was looking at the page for it, yours popped up. Reminded me that I have been wanting to get to some of Pamuk's fiction for a long time now. Might suggest The White Castle for book club since it's a short one, but this also sounds like it'd be up my alley.


Kelly Thanks! This was a good one! It's definitely the most conceptually experimental thing he's done, I think. Yeah, I think this one might be a little bit demandingly long for a book club. Pamuk is quite cerebral and Serious and can certainly sometimes ramble (the middle can be a bit hard to push yourself through), though the writing in this one is pretty lush.

I think you'd like it! But I don't know about it's wide appeal as a book club type book. I haven't read The White Castle, but I hear good things! I'd be curious to see what you think.


message 27: by Taylor (new) - added it

Taylor Our book club is limited to 200 pages and less, which is great because it makes it feasible for me to participate and also read other things with the rest of my reading time :) We've read a fairly wide variety of stuff because we're all into different kinds of books, largely, and we vote on each pick each month. Can't tell if the others would be interested in Pamuk, but it's worth a shot. And if not, I'll probably just read either this or White Castle on my own time. Though his fiction sounds like the kind of stuff it'd be super fun to discuss!


Kelly Oh yeah! It is. Snow was a bit more relevant when all the EU expansion business was happening, but Turkey's been trying to figure out it's international role again lately, so it's kind of coming back around again. That one is much more political though, and this one is much more engaged with the literary side of that same issue. I think you'd like this one better!

Istanbul is still my favorite of his, though. I think it's super honest and gets down to what really matters to him which is why I love it. His Nobel Lecture was also pretty great: http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prize...


message 29: by Taylor (new) - added it

Taylor I am probably due to re-read Istanbul - I read it rather languidly over a summer and probably didn't get as much out of it as I might've if I had read it in a more condensed time frame... which isn't to say that I didn't like it, just that it probably deserved closer attention than I was able to give at the time. But I'd like to read some of his fiction before I go back and reread the one book of his I've already read :)


message 30: by Taylor (new) - added it

Taylor Also, yes! I have read his Nobel Lecture, so good. That has really stayed with me.


Kelly Isn't it? I think it's so revealing about his fiction as well as his non-fiction, in terms of where he's coming from. It helps to deconstruct a lot of the things I see going on in his writing.

And I love Istanbul so much but I completely understand wanting to do something new first. This is a good one, and I would be fascinated to see what you think.


message 32: by Taylor (new) - added it

Taylor I also realized, as I was packing up my bookshelves yesterday, that I do own Snow, so I'll inevitably get to that one at some point, too :)


Kelly Oh great! The middle is a bit tough to plod through but I still think it is worth the read!

PS- I guess I am going to hear all about it at Thanksgiving at this point, but I need to catch up on your move and tons of other things with you!


message 34: by Taylor (new) - added it

Taylor Yes! There will be much catching-up to do at Thanksgiving :) So excited to see you!


Kelly Me too!! Only three weeks!


message 36: by Ian (new) - added it

Ian "Marvin" Graye Fabulous review, Kelly!


Kelly Thanks!


message 38: by Faysal (new) - added it

Faysal Kadow great review Kelly, keep it up. By the way what book do you recommend to start with Pamuk's work?


Kelly I really love Istanbul: Memories and the City, which is his memoir of living in the city for 50 years. That's what hooked me on him! Happy reading!


message 40: by Faysal (new) - added it

Faysal Kadow Kelly wrote: "I really love Istanbul: Memories and the City, which is his memoir of living in the city for 50 years. That's what hooked me on him! Happy reading!"

Thanks for the reply


message 41: by Joel (new) - rated it 5 stars

Joel Josephson This is a very good review. I have read the book but feel like I am drowning in the multiple layers of the text and ideas, its not a book that is 'Just' understood, it is on multiple levels.

When I have recommended the book, I always say, 'Bring your brains to the table, you will need'. This review has been written by a person who brought her brains, and has added to the depths of my understanding of this phenomenal book.


Kelly Thank you. It is definitely a worthwhile read.


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