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The Chinese Language: Fact and Fantasy Paperback – March 1, 1986


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Describes some of the concepts underlying the Chinese language and writing system, and gives the author's position on a number of ideas about the language.
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Customers find the book informative and interesting. They describe it as an easy introduction to the Chinese language and a solid foundation for understanding it in years to come. The book dispels myths about learning the language and serves as a great reference for those interested in China and its language.

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Customers find the book interesting and informative. They say it's exhausting and enjoyable, with a lot of detail about Chinese history.

"...It is very insightful and it really prepared me for Chinese by getting rid of the misinformed notions I had about the language and the writing...." Read more

"...I found the book to be highly enjoyable and actually read it while on vacation. The book, however, is bound to be controversial for two reasons:..." Read more

"...Based on this I ordered this book. It is an interesting and exhaustive book discussing the historic construction of the language, but again it did..." Read more

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Customers find the book a useful reference for learning Chinese. They say it provides an easy introduction and a solid foundation for understanding the language. It also dispels myths about Chinese learners coming across. The book is a great reference for those interested in China and the language.

"...Language is spoken language. I'm 75 years old and I had not yet come to realize this fundamental fact...." Read more

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  • Reviewed in the United States on January 15, 2020
    I have a casual interest in China and the Chinese language. I've spent nine months China in four separate trips in the past five years. I was based in Chengdu or Chongqing and I traveled thousands of miles by train to visit other parts of China, mostly in the west and south. Written Chinese has always interested me. When I began to read this book, I was at first somewhat disappointed as Prof. DeFrancis concentrates on the interaction of the spoken language and the writing, mostly focussed on the spoken language. I didn't give up. Then, as I read some more, although the matter is dead obvious, I began to get the point. Language is spoken language. I'm 75 years old and I had not yet come to realize this fundamental fact. I've even spoken and read two languages my entire life. Humankind has been speaking a language of some sort for maybe 200,000 years. Writing of any sort is about 5000 years old, and widespread writing is less than 500 years old, maybe only 200 years or so. Prof DeFrancis's theme in this book is that writing is not language, but rather an attempt to represent language, that is, the spoken language. As I read the book, I learned that the Chinese characters may be close to something phonetic, maybe as phonetic as written English (!). Many characters contain a more common sub-character on the right that has the same sound as the whole character. This gives the reader a chance to guess (!) at the pronunciation of the whole character so that maybe a meaning can be heard, provided that the reader knows the sound of that right-hand sub-character. The reader must know the character; there is no way to try sounding out the word, as there is in true alphabetic writing. I've learned a number of characters and I've wondered how the Chinese people remember all those many thousands of characters in present use. I found the answer in this book. They don't. Remembering those thousands of characters requires constant use and exposure. Attempts were made in the 1950s, after the end of the civil war, to make the Chinese people literate. (Probably less than 5% of the population was then competent in reading and writing the characters.) The Chinese government figured out rapidly that learning and retaining the characters then in use was (and is) too much work for the average Chinese person who is busy making a living. The people in charge led a movement to simplify the characters in common use. This did not solve the problem. Reducing a 12-stroke character to 4 strokes does not make memorizing and retaining much easier. The fundamental problem of learning many thousands of characters has not been made significantly easier. A solution to the problem was developed at about the same time as the simplification of the characters. This was the development of an alphabetic system known as Pinyin. This system even has room for describing the tone of the vowels. The tones are absolutely essential for understanding spoken Chinese. (For some reason, the Chinese describe their common language - "Putonghua" - as having four tones. It actually has five, the fifth being the neutral tone. Since it's neutral it has "no tone," so "no" equals zero, and 0 + 4 = 4. Strange.) Unfortunately the powers that be decided that it's a shame to leave behind a 5000 year tradition of writing, so the simplified characters were pushed much harder than Pinyin. Pinyin was (is?) only taught in the first grade. Starting in the second grade, the arduous task of learning characters began and begins. The second graders forget their Pinyin. Any writing system must be constantly exercised in order to be retained. If the Chinese really want a literate population, they will have to drop the characters. Only the idle rich and those who write for a living have the time to maintain their competence in using characters. Pinyin has the capability to represent the sounds of spoken Chinese in an unambiguous way. The characters are a complete mystery if one doesn't know the sound. Pinyin reduces the problem of writing the Chinese language into learning about 26 letters and four applied marks over vowels to indicate a sound. Contrast that to learning 10,000 or more random squiggles and their sounds. (There is an illusion among non-Chinese that the characters are pictographs that are fundamentally readable if one knows the pictures. This is true for only a relative handful (200?). The other thousands are just squiggles on paper, all of which must be memorized to be useful, an impossible task unless all one has to do all day is to memorize and write characters. Until I read this book, I was one of those non-Chinese with this completely wrong idea.)
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  • Reviewed in the United States on October 10, 2009
    I was interested in learning Cjinese but had no knowledge about the language so my proffesor recommended this book before I began to learn Chinese. It is very insightful and it really prepared me for Chinese by getting rid of the misinformed notions I had about the language and the writing.

    While it does a good job of informing you how written Chinese and Spoken Chinese work it does feel dry at times; specially when it comes to the written part of the language but there is so much misinformation he tries to unravel. Recommended if you are interested in learning Chinese but are ignorant about the language, like I was.
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  • Reviewed in the United States on August 19, 2009
    This is an excellent overview of the Chinese language and written scripts. I found the book to be highly enjoyable and actually read it while on vacation. The book, however, is bound to be controversial for two reasons:
    1) It debunks the myth that the Chinese written scripts (characters) are based on pictographs and ideographs. The majority of the characters are actually phonetics-based.
    2) DeFrancis actively promotes the transformation of the Chinese writing language from characters to alphabets. He argues that the character-based system makes the written language much more difficult and underpins the high level of illiteracy within rural China.

    These points are bound to be controversial, as some people--both native Chinese and educated Westerners--are very passionate about the Chinese characters. I am sure DeFrancis's arguments and thesis are not flawless, but simply attacking his book as Western-centric is just unprofessional and unproductive.
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  • Reviewed in the United States on February 26, 2020
    I expected a book that would discuss a lot of different characters and explain how each one was created. Like the small stories that are told to help you remember the characters. The book is very general concerning given characters. There are very few listed and detailed. The crux of the book is talking in general about the evolution of the language and how it relates to the generations of characters. It was no real help in learning. By the way I have both the Beginning and Intermediate Chinese readers by John DeFrancis, both of which I like very much and have been very useful. Based on this I ordered this book. It is an interesting and exhaustive book discussing the historic construction of the language, but again it did not really help me in learning the language.
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  • Reviewed in the United States on January 7, 2016
    Book came in bad quality.
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  • Reviewed in the United States on September 18, 2020
    If you're looking for a Chinese textbook, or an easy introduction to the Chinese language, look elsewhere. This is a masterful deep dive into the essence of the Chinese language, which dispels myths that any Chinese learner will inevitably come across in the course of his study. For those who are already fascinated by the Chinese language and characters, it will be a solid foundation for your understanding of the language in years to come.
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  • Reviewed in the United States on January 24, 2018
    The only book I've found on Chinese that explains in detail how the writing system *actually* works - rather than just platitudes about pictograms vs alphabet.
    The reality is much more organic - and interesting.
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  • Reviewed in the United States on September 12, 2005
    What can one say about another masterpiece of Mr. DeFrancis ?

    That it is a must for those interested in the chinese language?

    That he really goes deep in his appreciation of the origins ( and future )of that language? The book is really fantastic, incredible !!!
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  • Furio
    3.0 out of 5 stars impegnativo
    Reviewed in Italy on July 10, 2021
    Si tratta di un libro del 1984 e 37 anni in linguistica sono secoli.

    L'autore però è stato un celebre sinologo e alcuni di voi potrebbero conoscerlo per aver utilizzato i suoi libri dedicati allo studio della lingua (ancora reperibili i suoi readers).
    Questo saggio è invece disponibile solo attraverso i canali dell'usato e non è economico.

    Vale la pena di procurarselo?
    Dipende.

    Sicuramente sì se già vi siete dedicati alla linguistica e o alla didattica della lingua.
    Per quanto l'editore cerchi di presentarlo come opera divulgativa, il testo è fruibile e apprezzabile solo da chi abbia basi solide di linguistica generale e applicata anche perché l'esposizione, al di là delle teorie proposte, non è esente da difetti che ne rendono faticosa la lettura.
    Sintetizzando all'estremo, lo scopo dell'autore è dimostrare che la scrittura cinese è inefficiente e inadeguata a una alfabetizzazione di massa.
    Per farlo, esamina tutti i luoghi comuni sul cinese scritto e i suoi caratteri, cominciando col discutere proprio i nomi con cui i caratteri vengono chiamati (ideogrammi, logogrammi, ecc.).
    Propone inoltre la sua idea che i caratteri rappresentino una scrittura prevalentemente fonetica, sia pure inefficiente.
    Discute poi di tutti i tentativi che, alla data del 1984, sono stati fatti per riformare la scrittura e la didattica.
    Se l'esposizione e la divisione degli argomenti non è ideale, la competenza dell'autore è indiscutibile e penso che uno studioso di linguistica cinese possa trarne degli spunti.

    È invece, probabilmente, una lettura evitabile per il normale studente universitario di lingua e letteratura e per lo studioso autodidatta.
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    Furio
    3.0 out of 5 stars impegnativo
    Reviewed in Italy on July 10, 2021
    Si tratta di un libro del 1984 e 37 anni in linguistica sono secoli.

    L'autore però è stato un celebre sinologo e alcuni di voi potrebbero conoscerlo per aver utilizzato i suoi libri dedicati allo studio della lingua (ancora reperibili i suoi readers).
    Questo saggio è invece disponibile solo attraverso i canali dell'usato e non è economico.

    Vale la pena di procurarselo?
    Dipende.

    Sicuramente sì se già vi siete dedicati alla linguistica e o alla didattica della lingua.
    Per quanto l'editore cerchi di presentarlo come opera divulgativa, il testo è fruibile e apprezzabile solo da chi abbia basi solide di linguistica generale e applicata anche perché l'esposizione, al di là delle teorie proposte, non è esente da difetti che ne rendono faticosa la lettura.
    Sintetizzando all'estremo, lo scopo dell'autore è dimostrare che la scrittura cinese è inefficiente e inadeguata a una alfabetizzazione di massa.
    Per farlo, esamina tutti i luoghi comuni sul cinese scritto e i suoi caratteri, cominciando col discutere proprio i nomi con cui i caratteri vengono chiamati (ideogrammi, logogrammi, ecc.).
    Propone inoltre la sua idea che i caratteri rappresentino una scrittura prevalentemente fonetica, sia pure inefficiente.
    Discute poi di tutti i tentativi che, alla data del 1984, sono stati fatti per riformare la scrittura e la didattica.
    Se l'esposizione e la divisione degli argomenti non è ideale, la competenza dell'autore è indiscutibile e penso che uno studioso di linguistica cinese possa trarne degli spunti.

    È invece, probabilmente, una lettura evitabile per il normale studente universitario di lingua e letteratura e per lo studioso autodidatta.
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  • Sheena Kelly
    2.0 out of 5 stars Disappointing, don't waste money on it.
    Reviewed in the United Kingdom on November 19, 2019
    Really disappointed receiving this today. Over half the pages are stuck together which is quite irritating. Wouldn't be recommending the book or the seller.
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    Sheena Kelly
    2.0 out of 5 stars Disappointing, don't waste money on it.
    Reviewed in the United Kingdom on November 19, 2019
    Really disappointed receiving this today. Over half the pages are stuck together which is quite irritating. Wouldn't be recommending the book or the seller.
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