Recent Revision[]
Hello, I recently revised this article, and I have two things I want to bring to the table:
(1) I removed the sentence "If a magus attempts to touch Akasha, it will mercilessly kill them." This was not removed because I thought it was false, but because it seemed very unclear. It was in the section discussing Alaya's Counter Force. It seemed unclear because of the use of prononuns. Does it mean the person will be killed by Akasha, or by Alaya's Counter Force? Certainly it can't be the former, since Magicians are the result of humans reaching Akasha and coming back, but then, it also can't be the latter, since Magicians like Zeltrech and Aoko haven't been killed by the Counter Force of either Alaya or Gaia.
(2) I feel that, now that the article is in its current state, it should be moved to "World," since this article discusses the history of the planet Earth as well as both of its wills.
76.22.156.235 05:14, June 27, 2013 (UTC)
- ^Same person: I've re-read Paradox Spiral and fixed part (1) myself. As for part (2), I apologize for having moved the page on my own; I didn't know that there was a specific procedure for that sort of thing. I still think it ought to be moved, though. 76.22.156.235 21:33, June 27, 2013 (UTC)
- To answer youe questions, the person will be killed by Alaya because humans who have True Magic can be really dangerous to the rest of humanity. Akasha doesnt have a will, its only the things on the side of creation that have wills, Aksash is or is like a void, its on the other side. Magicians that reach the root access info from it, some enter it and then it closes for good, and others like Zelretch just manage to reach it but choose never to enter. Zelretch and Aoko arent a threat but if they gained their magic during the age of the gods when both Gaia and Alaya had more power they would have been killed because they have that potential to destroy order and thus Humans and the planet.
- By the way I'm pretty sure that gaia is the one that destroys contradicions like magecraft since they go against the planets reality not Alaya. Alaya only targets threats to Humanity even if that meant to kill some humans, killing some even innocents for the sake of the many is what it does nowadays since its running out of power because the weight of a human soul is less the unconcios will to survive power is less for Alaya.
- Dont take this the wrong way but you really shoudnt be editing so much, especially if your going to end up jumbleing the Type moon data. I didnt read all of it but there could be other things you got mixed up. Personally I think you can change some things bit by bit, but alway keep track of the information so you dont end up accidentally putting down what you think instead of the proper Type Moon wiki facts ok.
- I think you should also re-read KnK before schooling others. The one that is out to get mages are specifically Alaya, thus Touko pointing out the irony "Souren did not know the force that is ruining his plan even though he shared the same name as the said force".
- Magecraft itself is not a contradiction, it still obeys equivalent exchange. It is certain applications of magecraft that are violating the laws of nature, such as Projection or Aoko's time-shifting.
- Waifu slayer (talk) 03:41, June 28, 2013 (UTC)
- Magecraft is a not a contradiction to the laws of the world. It operates within the scope of the world, and so is not opposed by the world. However, some A class magecraft and above, such as reality marbles, push that limit. That's why reality marbles take prana to maintain and eventually fall a part. They are inherently opposed by Gaia. Magecraft is however a contradiction to the will of humanity and its consensus. In fact, in KnK, Paradox Spiral, it's stated that Alaya is the greatest enemy of mages. Magecraft obtains its power and stability from the belief of humanity that it exists and works. That's why heroic spirits receive a boost in power in their native countries (where humanity's belief in them is strongest), and the rites of the Church, which has an enormous amount of believers, are very very stable. This is also why Mages want to maintain secrecy. The number of users in a particular Art divides the power of the Art.
- My theory is that Magecraft was stronger in the Age of the Gods because belief in it was universal, and had fewer practitioners. Most would have been heroic figures, such as Medea. Furthermore, the effects of Magecraft was greater do to the high concentration of Gods and divine spirits. Magecraft is the artificial enactment of a mystery, and divine spirits personify mysteries just by existing. Magic was more prevelent because the world was more stable back then, and so it was less oppose by Alaya and Gaia. It may even have been championed by Alaya, because the users of Magic were probably champions of humanity.
Creation of the world[]
"While the Earth was still in its primordial stage, the god Ea was involved in the building of the planet. He was a pseudo-deification of the power of the planet by which primordial Earth’s surface, covered by magma ocean and gas, was moved, crushed, and stabilized"
May i ask where did you get this line from? because I thought in ancient Mesopotamian mythology, that the creation Myth known as Enuma Elish, it was the one known that Marduk , the son of Ea who killed Tiamat, and her death leading to the creation of our world? and there was another Sumerian creation myth , which was the flood myth, No? Vergilheartnet (talk) 17:31, June 30, 2013 (UTC)
It's from Fate/EXTRA CCC. Most Gods were born after the World was formed, but apparently Ea was special that he was one that was there when the World was being born.
How that actually works, I am not sure.
Waifu slayer (talk) 02:50, July 1, 2013 (UTC)
I just realized that not all facts in TYPE-MOON are based on the actual mythology , haha , anyway, thanks Vergilheartnet (talk) 14:16, July 1, 2013 (UTC)
You should have realized that when TM told you King Arthur was a chick/futa.
Waifu slayer (talk) 16:38, July 1, 2013 (UTC)
Counter Force in Notes[]
in Notes, where the Earth is invaded by aristotles, most population of the humans are gone, so is it possible Alaya will summon counter guardians to combat against the Aristotles, to preserve mankind?
gaia's will and Alaya are always contradicting against each other, one wants to preserve the nature of the world, and it doesn't matter if humans are killed, while the other wants to preserve humans , and doesn't matter if Earth is destroyed, i wonder, which one will prevail in the end? Bryanblade (talk) 07:13, July 15, 2013 (UTC)
- Gaia is dead in Notes. Alaya is technically part of Gaia, so it may actually be dead. There is some evidence in the material books suggesting Alaya/mankind may be growing independent of Gaia. Even then, humans have evolved into hundreds of different species, it is not even known if the species share a collective unconscious.
- Taking a step back, let's say all these neo-humans still share a collective unconscious, its power may be really weak, due to the Aristotles and the humans themselves doing an excellent job at killing humans.
- No one is really saving humans. The humans got to save themselves. Waifu slayer (talk) 18:52, July 15, 2013 (UTC)
- I'm pretty sure Alaya has/had the same problem as Gaia: cannot percieve extraterrestrials. Which all of the Aristotles are so.... also, Alaya saving humanity would be humanity saving itself.
Changing the name of page Gaia[]
This page dicusses the history of the planet Earth as well as both of its wills. So it should be changed into World instead of Gaia.Gransurg Blackmore (talk) 19:44, August 7, 2013 (UTC)
Trigger Point of Age of Man[]
While not explicity stated, one should check out Romulus' words in the Saloman Singularity's translation (https://pastebin.com/eeP19pfj).
Romulus: "The Age of Gods has come to an end, with Rome serving as proof. It is now the Age of Man, a time of adventure."
Now, from what's stated, the Age of Man started at the beginning of the Common Era. But Rome as a culture/nation existed way before then. You know what else happened in 700 BC? The founding of Rome, courtesy of ROMA. His very actions, personality, and even his abilities are all pro-humanity rather than pro-god. The final Trigger is indeed the Founding of Rome, and for what everything Rome stands for, they are surely for humanity.
While this is not expanded upon, I won't add it in since it's not "explicity stated". Maybe someone else happened during the 700 BC? But other than that, this is the strongest plausible theory to be the Trigger point. Maybe I'll translate Romulus' mats profile to see if I can get more info.
Second Age of Gods[]
"The currently-revealed Second Age of Gods eventually transitioned into the Age of Man due to three major events."
What is this "Second Age of Gods"?
- It's actually completely unclear. That's just what's written in FGO Chapter 7. Zodiac21 (talk) 11:16, July 22, 2018 (UTC)
The sinking of that continent[]
Touko Aozaki hinted that the sinking of Atlantis was the work of Alaya, though her theory was actually incorrect, as Atlantis was orignally destroyed by Sefar.
Touko did say "Long, long ago, the sinking of that continent was due to this bastard too", but it doesn't necessarily mean she meant Atlantis as she doesn't elaborate. It could be LemuriaWP or MuWP.
The Lord Reader (talk) 21:45, April 12, 2020 (UTC)