Split[]
... I think you need to have a look at what the point of making a wiki is... Creatures would be a category and we would be making an article for each [type of] creature. Not throw everything in a mess like you would in a dumpster. Copy-paste needs to be organized. Additionally, if you haven't noticed, we already have articles for a few of them. Still needs a bunch of work, and while we can very well put up some temporary sorta-generic articles to sort later, I wouldn't think that copy-pasting that much in a single article was a good idea. --Byakko 22:14, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
- I support Byakko regarding the matter of splitting and suggest that we start by creating a wikilinked list of the notable creatures and see which articles are placeholders or not there yet. --Koveras Alvane 10:25, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
Editing the text.......[]
I was reading this article and noticed that, while very interesting, it had a lot of mmmm...jokes or other content that doesnt deserves to be in an article like this (even if the article is in a fandom wiki). I just went and deleted the parts that i thought were just jokes so feel free to reverse the changes but im sure if you see the past version you would notice how bad it sounded.
nature spirit=fairy=elemental?[]
Fairies are nature spirits originally right? Fairies were said to be able to evolve into "elementals" once they can be percieved by humans, but were Fairies not elementals to begin with?Scorpion91 (talk) 01:12, January 2, 2015 (UTC)
- Elemental is a rather high-ranking spirit, so it's the old story "all elementals are spirits, but not all spirits are elementals". Arcueid, for example, is a spirit, an elemental, a fairy, and a true ancestor. But that doesn't mean all spirits are elementals are true ancestors. I hope this clarified (though I guess it didn't) Sandubadear (talk) 02:38, January 2, 2015 (UTC)
- This very wiki states under the definition of elementals that: "Most of these spirits do not necessarily have a human form and most of them cannot be perceived by humans". There is a contradiction that I mentioned. If Fairies are nature spirits by default and all nature spirits are first and foremost elementals, why would a fairy need to grow to the point of human perception to become an elemental if it was an elemental to begin with?
- The way I see it Fairies are nature spirits and elementals by default, but not all elementals are fairies (no dead animal spirits and guardian spirits ). Scorpion91 (talk) 00:13, January 4, 2015 (UTC)
- Fairies are nature spirits, extensions of the world created by gaia as a sense of touch, something that humans cannot perceive. Yet they are members of the phantasmal species and as such they grow stronger with the accumulation of time. So they can become perceivable for humans and evolve into elementals.Gransurg Blackmore (talk) 01:31, January 4, 2015 (UTC)
- You should adress the contradiction instead of repeating things. Again I quote this wiki : "'Elemental' (精霊, Seirei?), the general term for the spiritual bodies (霊体, Reitai?) of dead animals, nature spirits born from nature and the artificial created Guardian Spirits." , "Most of these spirits do not necessarily have a human form and most of them cannot be perceived by humans." All nature spirits, animal spirits, and guardian spirits are elementals by this definition and not just those that can be percieved by humans. You can't have it both ways.Scorpion91 (talk) 14:55, January 4, 2015 (UTC)
- Here is something from the profile of the fate/extra Archer. He received knowledge of the forest from his Druid father, was proficient at survival in the forest, and also was friends with the forest fairies that the villagers could not see. For this reason, the villagers treated him as an outcast, believing him to be possessed by fairies. Their are people who can see them and receive blessings in form from Protection of the Fairies from them and then their are people who can not.Gransurg Blackmore (talk) 14:59, January 4, 2015 (UTC)
- That's pretty interesting, but it doesn't answer the contradiction in this wiki. Why would a fairy (nature spirit) need to grow in power and take on a human shell to be considered an elemental if all nature spirits are elementals to begin with? I'm saying that this wiki should be revised to fit it's own internal logic. If fairies can be seen by humans without taking on human shells and if they're considered as elementals no matter their power then wiki shouldn't contradict itself by stating otherwise.Scorpion91 (talk) 17:20, January 4, 2015 (UTC)
Not all spirits are elementals, only high-ranking ones... Sandubadear (talk) 21:02, January 4, 2015 (UTC)
Theoretical Divine Guardian Spirit[]
A Guardian Spirit is born through the merging of a human soul and a nature spirit, correct? And Divine Spirits are nature spirits... so could one be used as the spirit half of a Guardian Spirit? What if the human soul had had the Third True Magic used upon it and had become immortal? Or was a Servant? Or both? Obviously, as both Heroic Spirits and Divine Spirits are much 'larger' existences than ordinary human souls and other nature spirits respectively, it would create a much more powerful Guardian Spirit and presumably be much harder to create, but how would that affect the result? Interesting concept, right? Dragonlover553 (talk) 05:52, July 3, 2016 (UTC)