Inconsistency?[]
In Chapter 835 we get an explanation for Big Mom's devil fruit, he explains that the Souls CANNOT enter corpses or the body of someone else, and yet in the next panel we find out that the souls CAN enter animals, which contradicts the previous statement. What's up with that? Jakisuaki (talk) 13:23, August 4, 2016 (UTC)
- Talk pages aren't supposed to be used for this kind of discussion as far as I know. Anyway by "someone else" he means human souls can't enter other humans. -The Forgotten Beast (talk) 13:25, August 4, 2016 (UTC)
Biscuit Soldiers[]
Where does it say the biscuit soldiers are homies? Last I checked they were being manipulated by Cracker with no outside help. Can someone provide a source?DancePowderer Talk 03:06, February 10, 2017 (UTC)
It has been sourced in their section in Totto Land#Biscuit Soldiers to be Chapter 838. I checked and it's on page 14 where Pedro said that they "move around with the aid of Big Mom's powers". Rhavkin (talk) 07:21, February 10, 2017 (UTC)
I completely missed that. Thank you.DancePowderer Talk 08:06, February 10, 2017 (UTC)
The Ship Who Sang trivia[]
I am generally pro-trivia in articles, but I do not see this one at all. The Ship Who Sang is novel about a spaceship with a human brain that can sing. The Singing Ship is about a sea ship with a fragment of a human soul that constantly sings what it is. What really makes me doubt the influence is that the similar elements are in no way unique. Also, nearly every other homie sings.--Sandwichman2449 (talk) 20:15, April 12, 2017 (UTC)
I was concise in the trivia, but I won't be here.
The Sup Who Sang is a story where physically disabled people who are unable to work are implanted in ships in order to operate the ships, which do not run otherwise. It's quite an upsetting premise. There's a clear parallel with homies, who are people whose souls have been partially or fully removed (almost always against their will or under threat of death) so that they can animate other bodies. It's not restricted to ships, which is why I only claim the relation between the singing ship and the novel.
But, if you feel there's no link between a story where people are implanted into ships to make them work and a story where someone's soul is implanted into a ship to make it work, then we can discuss it further.
It's recommended to throw away socks after a year 20:57, April 12, 2017 (UTC)
Unlike shadows, we have not seen any of the soul's previous owner in the homies. Even Big Mom's homies do not act like her.--Sandwichman2449 (talk) 21:12, April 12, 2017 (UTC)
I have to agree with Sandwichman. Human brains and soul fragments are far too different. There is no disability factor at work with the people whose soul fragments get put into the objects that become homies. Big Mom's singing ship would still be a functioning ship even without a soul fragment. I don't see the similarities.DancePowderer Talk 21:27, April 12, 2017 (UTC)
Agreeing with Sandwichman and DP. Brain and soul fragments are two different things and the odds that Oda drew inspiration from this for the homies are not very likely. Seems more like a coincidence that there is a faint similarity User:Roranoa Drake II/Sig1 18:40, April 24, 2017 (UTC)
^Agreed. Awaikage Talk 23:32, April 24, 2017 (UTC)
Homie Pronouns[]
There seems to be an overall inconsistency with the pronouns used when talking about homies, with some pages (such as Zeus' and Hera's) using gendered "he/him" and "she/her" pronouns, while other pages use "it" pronouns, like Prometheus' (until I recently edited it) and Napoleon's (who I also recently edited until Dragonus Nesha reverted the edits back to "it" from "he/him"). Can we get a consistent pronoun use for the homies so it doesn't vary from page to page? I personally prefer gendered pronouns. Kind-Hearted-One (talk) 16:18, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
Since most of them are made from objects, the convention was to use gender-neutral language for homies until the series ascribed one. According to his Talk Page, Zeus was referred to as "he/him" in the Japanese text so the article was changed to reflect that. If you have examples for the other special homies, then please, bring them forward. Be careful if you use the English translation because it tends to add pronouns and gendered language. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 17:13, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
I personally believe that, considering that the three of them have male names, have the same voice actor and are refered with masculine pronouns in translations, it makes sense to use gendered pronouns for them. Besides, homies like Kingbaum and Lady Tree have clearly gendered epithets, and the door homies for Pudding's room and the entrance to the wedding hall had tipically female-gendered features such as makeup, so I'd say that defaulting to "it" as the gender for homies is not in accordance to what Oda has shown us so far, even if he has never explicitly said "homies have genders". It is also not done, for instance, with Moria's zombies, another artificially-made race, all of which this wiki uses gendered pronouns for. Kind-Hearted-One (talk) 20:42, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
Zeus and Trivia (regarding Fairy tales)[]
Is the Journey of the West a fairy tale that can be under Trivia regarding Homies and their Fairy tales themes? The idea is putting Zeus under there for his relation on the legend (the riding cloud and later Nami's Sorcery Clima tact like Sun Wukong's bo staff)WhalBP (talk) 08:47, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
No liquid homie of any kind has been shown and jelly is not a liquid[]
clear shown that no homie made by big mama or mother Carmel has been made from type liquid from water to syrup to even juice no liquid homie exist and no nitro isn't a liquid homie he is jelly which not considered a liquid. even candy candy homies are treated as solids then liquidsTo love this (talk) 05:02, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
I don't think the properties of jelly are even that relevant in this case, but to be clear: jelly is absolutely adjacent to liquid. It's generally considered to be a colloid, specifically a type of gel, quasi-solids primarily made up of liquid.
Either way, if the entire argument to add that homies can't be liquid is "we haven't seen one that's a liquid", then it's ridiculous to add it. Just because we haven't seen it doesn't mean it's not possible, and saying it's not possible is completely speculative. Not mentioning liquids at all, i.e. what we currently do, is more accurate to the truth: we don't know whether homies can be liquid or not. "it is speculation to assume that she can make homies out of any liquid" is not accurate because we aren't assuming homies can be made of liquid; we just don't know, so we can't say they definitely can't. Walrsu (talk) 06:47, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
again not liquid yellow is classified as a gel. which are not liquids adjacent there huge difference between acutallyTo love this (talk)
it ridiculous not to mention liquids when you consider that majority of the homies that have been shown were made out of solid, gel or none corpal substance even candy syrup that was created from a different devil fruit has clearly been shown to take the form of a solid matter instead of staying in a liquid form to be a homie. support this premise. ex sugar cannot turn inanimate objects into toys that is not speculation that we haven't seen any proof to counteract that is going off the fact that are given and shown. have you seen any head of any kind that she could turn a liquid and actual liquid water juice , even chocolate sauce or alcohol into homie?To love this (talk) 07:50, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
A gel is absolutely "close to" (adjacent to) liquids. It is made up mostly of liquid that acts similar to a solid (1) and is considered equivalent to liquids during travel (1, 2). Some sources outright call gels a "liquid that is rendered solid" (1).
Anyways, I think you're misunderstanding something. The burden of proof is on you, not me - you need to provide proof that Big Mom definitely can't make homies out of liquid. As I mentioned before, we're not currently saying "she can make homies out of liquid" - we're saying "we don't know whether she can make homies out of liquid". If you want to change that, you need to provide proof that it's inaccurate.
You said it was "clearly shown" that liquids cannot become homies, that it was "established that no liquid can become a homie" (1). But you're not even consistent with that; when you were pressed for an example, you switched to "[there was] debate if Big Mom could create homies using liquids" (1). Provide proof of your claim or there's no reason to make a change. You should be able to back up the changes you make. Walrsu (talk) 20:01, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
No it is not okay there's a clear distinction between gels, liquids,solids and gases no matter if they seem similar the distinctions and characteristics are completely different which is why they are categories in these categories.To love this (talk) 21:35, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
again the proof is that there isn't one shown there's been clear homies of all different states except liquids that are long proves that homies cannot be made out of liquid material we have never seen moria make a zombie out of a non solid material he only did it with corpse and non sentient organism.To love this (talk) 21:35, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
big mama and Carmel homies have been solid , gases, gel but not a single liquid. even when she use power on perospero candy creation which can be solid or liquid (candy syrup is actually classified as a liquid ) state they become solid the fact that they become that state when become homie instead staying in there liqud former support thisTo love this (talk) 21:35, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
I think you're misunderstanding my point about gels. I'm not stating they ARE liquids, I'm saying they're SIMILAR to liquids. There are many more states of matter than simply the four classical ones (solid, liquid, gas, plasma); as I stated above, gel is a colloid, which is not any of the four. My point is just that gels are similar to liquids. In this specific case, Nitro's body seems to function more like a liquid than many other gels, which is why I brought him up in the first place.
Not having seen a liquid homie does not mean they can't exist. Saying they can't exist based purely on that is speculative. Not mentioning liquids at all just means we don't know if they can be turned into homies or not, which is the case.
Do you have an actual, tangible source that homies can't be turned into liquids? A character mentioning it, or Big Mom failing to create a liquid homie? Perospero's candy was already solid when she turned it into a homie because she needed it to traverse the ocean and she needed something to stand on - he made another one in chapter 885. Anyways, we know that homies can transform between states - Hera, who's normally a gas, transformed into electricity in chapter 1013 when using Maser Ho.
Please provide an actual source for your claim, or this discussion is going nowhere. The fact that we haven't a liquid homie is not enough. Walrsu (talk) 01:28, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
Regardless of any facts about jelly and liquids, To Love This, the heart of the matter is that your edit consisted of you adding a statement with a confirm tag attached to it. I cannot think of any reason why an edit of that nature would be acceptable in any instance. Adding information that you do not know the source to is never acceptable. To add it and then revert removals of it is tantamount to vandalism. You do not have an argument here. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 02:56, 16 December 2024 (UTC)