Talk:Peter II of Bulgaria

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This article is idiotic. The Disputed Origins section is larger than the actual history of czar Peter's life. The Vlach-Rumanian theory is one of the most proposterous in the world, and devoid of any logic. When Czar Ivan Asen II - nephew of Peter and son of czar Ivan Asen I became the Bulgarian ruler he did not (not once) refer to himself or was refered to by others as Vlach. So what do Rumanian historians claim - that he was somehow "assimilated"? Or maybe he just forgot. His descendants too. It's just so stupid it's not even worth arguing. - Mladen

History is not logical. Andrew Dalby 00:22, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Or maybe, just maybe, history IS in fact logical. And stupid articles like this one, written by petty nationalists, are not. Just a thought - but then again, you do have to, in fact, read history in order to answer that. - Mladen

As per WP:Name, I would like to know which reliable source published in English refers to him as Peter IV of Bulgaria? The following sources do not use that name:

• Chary, Frederick B. (2011). The History of Bulgaria. ABC-CLIO. ISBN 978-0-313-38446-2. [He writes of "Todor (Peter II, Tsar)".]
• Crampton, R. J. (2005). A Concise History of Bulgaria. Cambridge University Press. ISBN 978-0-521-89452-4. [He refers to him as "Petûr II".]
• Curta, Florin (2006). Southeastern Europe in the Middle Ages, 500–1250. Cambridge University Press. ISBN 978-0-521-85085-8. [He writes of "Peter, Vlach rebel".]
• Fine, John V. A (1994). The Late Medieval Balkans: A Critical Survey from the Late Twelfth Century to the Ottoman Conquest. The University of Michigan Press. ISBN 0-472-08260-4. [He refers to him as "Peter II of Bulgaria (brother of Asen)".]
• Madgearu, Alexandru (2017). The Asanids: The Political and Military History of the Second Bulgarian Empire, 1185–1280. BRILL. ISBN 978-9-004-32501-2. [He writes of "Peter (brother of John Asan I)".]
• Stephenson, Paul (2000). Byzantium's Balkan Frontier: A Political Study of the Northern Balkans, 900–1204. Cambridge University Press. ISBN 978-0-521-02756-4. [He mentions him as "Peter, Bulgarian and Vlach ruler".]
• Treadgold, Warren (1997). A History of the Byzantine State and Society. Stanford University Press. ISBN 0-8047-2630-2. [He refers to him as "Peter (Bulgarian emperor of the restored empire)".]
• Vásáry, István (2005). Cumans and Tatars: Oriental Military in the Pre-Ottoman Balkans, 1185–1365. Cambridge University Press. ISBN 0-521-83756-1. [He writes of "Peter, Kalopetrus".]

Based on the above sources, I think, Peter II of Bulgaria would be the proper title of the article. Borsoka (talk) 16:12, 14 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The request to rename this article to Peter II of Bulgaria has been carried out. If the page title has consensus, be sure to close this discussion using {{subst:RM top|'''page moved'''.}} and {{subst:RM bottom}} and remove the {{Requested move/dated|…}} tag, or replace it with the {{subst:Requested move/end|…}} tag.

Peter IV of Bulgaria → Peter II of Bulgaria – Per above. And it seems the other Peters were rebel leaders. --The Emperor's New Spy (talk) 06:12, 16 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]