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Changing the "Plot" format

Thanks to you guys I stumbled upon a spoiler. I was looking for a recap of something in the show. Can someone please put labels before each paragraph that say "This pertains to S02 E07" or something similar? It would save us all (me) a lot of grief. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.181.142.220 (talk) 04:06, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Also, the giant does not appear until season 2. The plot summary section is a mess.

Isabella Rossellini

It mentions her under "casting," but I haven't seen her in the show. Am I mistaken? Someone with better knowledge please clarify and delete if necessary.

Revealing BOB

Should we reveal the real identity of the killer possessed by BOB here? I realize this is an encyclopedic article and the "spoiler" template has been used, but this is an awfully big revelation to learn by anyone who has not seen the show. One of the greatest things about this show is the surprise when learning the real killer...thoughts? Jeff schiller 17:56, 2004 Dec 15 (UTC)

Is there anyone out there who doesn't know?  :-) It's like "Who Shot J.R."--I never watched the show, but I know who did it. It seems harmless enough to me, and I loved TP. Alfvaen 04:21, Dec 21, 2004 (UTC)
I actually don't know who shot J.R. but I guess that's besides the point. If no one else objects I'm fine with it...Jeff schiller 19:23, 2004 Dec 21 (UTC)
Suggest positioning the spoiler at the bottom of the page to prevent having to scroll past it, if it must be there (it's hard to talk about the show's themes without spoilers of course). The show shouldn't be inadvertently spoiled by being too blatant, as there are a number of other reasons to consult an article without having seen the show. I do know one thing: anytime someone says something like "everybody knows about this" when speaking of a storyline, they're wrong. It's a TV show from 15 years ago, not the Law of Gravity. Every effort should be made to thoroughly demarcate, and hide from the initial page view, ALL spoilers for mystery stories.24.33.28.52 12:55, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I have to second this - if you're from America and over a certain age, likelyhood is you'll know. Otherwise, it may well all be new to a new viewer. --leopheard 13:24, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Just because it's likely doesn't mean everyone knows. I for one am "over a certain age" (ie. Twin Peaks was on TV when I was in high school), but I never had any interest in watching it nor reading about it. I only just finished watching the series today. The only reason I watched it is because I heard it was a possible influence on Silent Hill.
However, I've learned by now to not read wikipedia articles about shows I haven't finished watching. In my opinion, the positioning of the big spoiler is perfectly fine. People avoiding spoilers shouldn't read topics marked "plot synopsis". Doing so and complaining later is just silly. 75.69.67.162 (talk) 06:07, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Blue Velvet

This is just speculation on my part, but does anyone else suspect that Kyle McLachlan's character here is a conscious extension of his character in Blue Velvet? My pet theory is that the boy who witnessed such wrenching and sordid stuff in the earlier movie vowed to try to stop such evil in the world (after all, this was his role in the film) and went on to become an FBI agent. --66.52.186.34 02:05, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Good theory, but I don't think it's been officially mentioned anywhere, I haven't read the autobiography/diary of Dale Cooper mind, as that could shed some light on it. Anyway, til you find some official material, likelyhood is that it'll get removed as not enough evidence for it. Do some research though as may pop up! --leopheard 11:36, 28 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Twin Peaks and Northern Exposure

In the trivia section, someone mentioned that a Northern Exposure episode was produced as a clear parody of Twin Peaks. Which episode is this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pesapluvo (talk • contribs) (02:59, 9 January 2006)

According to TV.com [1], it was the fifth episode, "Russian Flu". ~ Jeff Q (talk) 04:52, 15 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Spoiler tags

Could someone add this template to the page? I'd do it, but I don't want to risk reading something that would spoil the series for me (I haven't seen it yet): {{endspoiler}} To add the template to the page, copy the following: {{endspoiler}}.

Thanks! (Ibaranoff24 01:28, 7 March 2006 (UTC))[reply]

Done. I added another spoilers/endspoiler pair around a book that hints perhaps a bit too much of later developments. A quick pass over the current character table suggests that it avoids any significant spoiler info. I haven't reviewed the trivia for spoilers, though. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 05:05, 7 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed featured article nomination

"Twin Peaks" is a famous series in the world. And the information that has been provided in this page seems complete and reliable. I suggest nominating it for the "Feature Article". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pejman47 (talk • contribs) 2006-05-16 07:03:47 (UTC)

I'm a big fan of Twin Peaks, and this article has come on leaps and bounds recently, but it clearly falls short of featured standard, I think that would be premature. I'd recommend a drive to get it to Good Article standard, a peer review, and then perhaps consider FA nomination. Please see WP:WIAGA for the general "Good" standards. The article is certainly lacking in referencing right now, and needs copyedit and some restructuring. — Estarriol talk 09:59, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Whilst the article needs cleanup and improvement, Twin Peaks is an extremely notable TV series, which spawned (or re-spawned) an entire genre and is an international cult icon. Encyclopedic notability is not something that fades over time - one of the purposes of an Encyclopedia, after all, is to preserve information about history. A couple of paragraphs simply wouldn't do this subject justice. It would be a "typical misuse of Wikipedia as a fansite" if we only included things that are currently published and popular. — Estarriol talk 16:02, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Of course it requires a serious clean-up, but it deserves this volume of information. Unfortunately, I don't have time to do now, I hope some of the fans can do it.Pejman47 17:31, 9 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Ambiguous paragraph

I think this paragraph is ambiguous:

ABC liked the idea and asked Lynch and Frost to write a screenplay for the pilot episode. Originally, the show was entitled Northwest Passage and set in North Dakota, but the fact that a town called Twin Peaks really existed (much like Lumberton in Blue Velvet) prompted a revision in the script.

Yur saying that they switched to Twin Peaks because Twin Peaks was a real town? I don't get it. There are lots of real towns.--Nick 22:36, 12 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

DVD release

I am considering adding a reference for the November release. I found [2] which does not give a date but looks like a solid site. There is also [3] which looks less solid but does give the Nov 2 date. Any thoughts? Should I just use the first link and alter the section appropriately? Eiler7 23:08, 10 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

According to MovieHole, Paramount has announced that it's pushing back the release of Peaks till May of 07. However, on composer Angelo Badalamenti's MySpace Blog, he claims that there will be a Twin Peaks Season 2 music collection, "tentatively scheduled to be released at the end of 2006 along side the second season DVD set." The date of this entry is 21 September; the date of the MovieHole post is 15 September. I don't know which is in actuality more up-to-date with the info, but I would probably lean toward MovieHole since they get their info straight from Paramount. We'll see. -geoffr111, 26 September 2006
It looks like part one of the season two DVDs is to be released in Europe in January and part two in April. They can be pre-ordered on the | german Amazon site (which also shows pictures of the box sets). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.47.139.96 (talk • contribs) (18:42, 20 November 2006)

Bob in caps

Is there a special reason why Bob is in caps - "BOB" - in this article? Punctured Bicycle 06:08, 24 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for pointing that out. It shouldn't be in caps (at least it isnt in the screenplay), so I changed it accordingly. Bertilvidet 07:20, 24 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
FYI, The convention of writing BOB in all caps comes from the Secret Diary of Laura Palmer, by Jen Lynch. It appears in a list of initials that are supposed to coorelate to the names of various lovers Laura has had. Maybe "Bob" was originally intended to be short for something else. If so, it was not to be. In any case, the all-caps format has stuck with fanboys and fangals. As a practical concern, it helps to differentiate between the characters of "Killer BOB," "Bobby Briggs," and the lesser known "Robert Lydecker." -geoffr111

Too much "influences and references"

This page doesn't need to be littered with explanations of each and every time someone invokes Twin Peaks in public. This stuff takes up at least 15% of the total page and none of it is about Twin Peaks.24.33.28.52 15:06, 28 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Section completely removed earlier

Returning to this page I've seen that one of the sectons has disappeared without any real reason as to why it had to be deleted. I suppose it was a section too long for the article. Still, for reference I will list it here if anyone wants to incorporate all or some of the information into the article. AdamDobay 12:46, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It was removed because the information is only tangentially related to the television series Twins Peaks. If readers want to learn what Kyle MacLachlan or Warren Frost did after Twin Peaks, they can visit their respective articles. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. Punctured Bicycle 18:27, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
A lot of this information can be had by simply examining Johanna Ray's career as a casting agent.24.165.210.213 07:09, 11 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Later cast appearances

  • The series launched the careers of a number of actors, including Heather Graham, Lara Flynn Boyle, Sheryl Lee, and Sherilyn Fenn.
  • A number of actors from Twin Peaks had roles in the short-lived 1992 Lynch / Frost TV series On the Air about a 1950s live television show. Seven episodes were produced while only three aired in the U.S.
  • A number of principal and minor actors from Twin Peaks also had small (but memorable) roles on the sitcom Seinfeld:
    • Warren Frost (Doc Hayward) and Grace Zabriskie (Sara Palmer) had recurring roles as the parents of George Costanza's fiancee, Susan.
    • Ian Abercrombie (the medical insurance salesman when Leo is brought home after being shot) had a recurring role as Mr. Pitt (Elaine's boss).
    • Frances Bay (Mrs. Tremond) appeared in three episodes as the "marble rye-bread lady" (where Jerry Seinfeld stole her marble rye).
    • Walter Olkewicz (Jacques Renault) appeared as the cable man that Kramer tries to avoid.
    • Molly Shannon (woman from the adoption agency, also of Saturday Night Live fame) appeared as one of Elaine's co-workers who did not swing her arms when she walked.
    • Brenda Strong (Ms. Jones, Thomas Eckhardt's friend) appeared as Elaine's friend Sue Ellen Mishke, the heiress to the Oh Henry candy bar fortune.
  • The original RoboCop film features: Ray Wise (Leland Palmer), Dan O'Herlihy (Andrew Packard) and Miguel Ferrer (Albert Rosenfeld)
  • Several of the actors from Twin Peaks appeared on The X-Files:
    • David Duchovny (Agent Denise Bryson) starred as Agent Fox Mulder.
    • Don S. Davis (Major Briggs) played Agent Dana Scully's father, Captain William Scully.
    • Michael J. Anderson (The Man From Another Place) appeared as Mr. Nutt in the second-season episode "Humbug". (He also played carnival director Samson in Carnivàle, a show which shared many of the quirks, mysteriousness, and general weirdness of Twin Peaks and X-Files.)
    • Michael Horse (Deputy Tommy Hawk) appeared as Sheriff Charles Tskany in episode "Shapes" (1.18), airing 1 April 1994.
    • Richard Beymer (Benjamin Horne) appeared in the episode "Sanguinarium", airing 1997.
    • Kenneth Welsh (Windom Earle) appeared in the episode "Revelations", airing 1996.
  • A number of Twin Peaks actors appeared on Dawson's Creek:
    • Mädchen Amick (Shelly Johnson) played Nicole Kennedy, Dawson's critical film teacher who also dates his father, in three Season 2 episodes.
    • Sherilyn Fenn (Audrey Horne) was Alex Pearl, Pacey's temptuous boss in three Season 5 episodes.
    • Ray Wise (Leland Palmer) had a small role at the end of Season 6.
    • Dana Ashbrook (Bobby Briggs) played Rich Rinoldi, Pacey's smarmy "boiler room" boss in nine Season 6 episodes.
  • Everett McGill (Big Ed Hurley) and Wendy Robie (Nadine Hurley) played the evil parents in the movie The People Under the Stairs (1991).
  • A number of Twin Peaks actors have appeared in The WB's supernatural dramedy series Charmed, mostly in supernatural roles.
    • Dana Ashbrook appeared as a biker (apparently similar to James Hurley's character in Twin Peaks) in episode 3.15 - Just Harried.
    • Ian Buchanan portrayed Cole Turner's old mentor, Raynor, in episodes 3.19 - The Demon Who Came In From the Cold and 3.20 - Exit Strategy.
    • Ray Wise appeared as Ludlow, a recruiter of young demon candidates in episode 4.12 - Lost and Bound.
    • Carel Struycken was cast as a Giant Demon in episode 4.21 - Womb Raider.
    • Grace Zabriskie was the demon The Crone in episodes 5.16 - Baby's First Demon and 5.20 - Sense and Sense Ability
    • Michael J. Anderson appeared as a leprechaun in episode 8.13 - Repo Manor and in episode 8.20 - Gone with the Witches.

Source?

Could the person who added the following please list a source for it?

"Also, during the take, one of the minor actors misheard a line and, thinking he was being asked his name, he told Cooper his real name instead of saying his line, briefly throwing the cast off balance. Lynch was reportedly so pleased with this unsettling moment that he kept the 'mistake' in the scene."

It's interesting and I believe it fits in with the article, but if we are going to get this up to Good status then we need to list references. Desdinova 19:27, 27 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I inserted [citation needed] after the passage. Primogen 19:38, 27 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I replaced {{Fact}} with a transcription of the broadcast. Richard K. Carson 11:13, 26 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think that the link to 'watch twin peaks' at the bottom of the page is misleading. Only very small clips are availiable, even less than you would find at youtube. I feel it is promoting the website stated and could be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.240.212.150 (talk • contribs) (19:13, 31 October 2006)

I put in a request to clean up the External links on this article. There are many questionable links -- and too many fansites Wikipeida:External links recommends only one or two fansites max. Primogen 05:40, 25 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Twin Peaks Curse?

Is there a "Twin Peaks Curse"? What I mean is that every actor/actress involved in the series really hasn't gone on and become a mega star. What do you think, worth mentioning in the article? 156.34.209.243 16:23, 30 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Not if we don't have a reliable source for such a claim. You might want to consider that most TV series probably don't serve as break-out shows for anybody, especially when they barely make it through 2 seasons. That's hardly a curse. It's more like standard operating procedure. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 10:07, 1 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hee, Hee...that's true. 156.34.208.146 03:35, 2 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Even with popular TV series, the stars rarely go on to success elsewhere. What has the cast of Friends done since the series ended? Or Star Trek? Or the X-Files? They had some minor hits here and there but nothing major, and they're all still best known for their work on whatever series made them famous. The problem is that if a series fails it often harms an actor's career as they're associated with failure, but if it succeeds then it often still harms an actor's career as they're associated with a particular character and can't get work in anything else. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.146.47.250 (talk) 00:38, 2 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Invitation to Love

Please merge any relevant info from Invitation to Love, per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Invitation to Love. Thanks —Quarl (talk) 2006-12-27 06:13Z

Although I don't believe the content of Invitation to Love is especially appropriate for merger here, I wanted to make sure that the merge decision at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Invitation to Love was done properly, so that further editing can proceed from there. I've copied the entire content, except for the wiki article tags, modifying it only slightly to be more a part of this article (mostly changing the 1st paragraph wording and formatting, and making the "Characters" heading a non-TOC heading). Here is the edit history of the merged article:
  • (cur) (last) 06:12, 27 December 2006 (UTC) Quarl (Talk | contribs) (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Invitation to Love: result was: Merge to Twin Peaks. -- #REDIRECT Twin Peaks)
  • (cur) (last) 03:51, 27 December 2006 (UTC) Jeffq (Talk | contribs) (rv sourcing attempt; none of the 3 cited srcs is remotely reliable by wiki stds; fan discussion is original research)
  • (cur) (last) 16:03, 26 December 2006 (UTC) 81.152.6.107 (Talk)
  • (cur) (last) 16:00, 26 December 2006 (UTC) 81.152.6.107 (Talk)
  • (cur) (last) 14:55, 26 December 2006 (UTC) Jeffq (Talk | contribs) (rm unsourced analysis & opinions; +fact tags where specific citations needed; punct, case fixes)
  • (cur) (last) 13:37, 26 December 2006 (UTC) 81.152.6.107 (Talk)
  • (cur) (last) 13:30, 26 December 2006 (UTC) 81.152.6.107 (Talk)
  • (cur) (last) 13:27, 26 December 2006 (UTC) 81.152.6.107 (Talk)
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  • (cur) (last) 09:49, 26 December 2006 (UTC) Richard K. Carson (Talk | contribs)
  • (cur) (last) 01:07, 18 December 2006 (UTC) Otto4711 (Talk | contribs)
  • (cur) (last) 00:11, 18 December 2006 (UTC) Jeffq (Talk | contribs) (+afd)
  • (cur) (last) 23:37, 17 December 2006 (UTC) 128.193.226.15 (Talk) (→Characters)
  • (cur) (last) 04:59, 12 December 2006 (UTC) R.A Huston (Talk | contribs)
  • (cur) (last) 03:32, 10 December 2006 (UTC) Fred123456 (Talk | contribs)
  • (cur) (last) 15:10, 9 December 2006 (UTC) Jeffq (Talk | contribs) (+{{prod}})
  • (cur) (last) 10:39, 9 December 2006 (UTC) R.A Huston (Talk | contribs)
  • (cur) (last) 19:50, 11 September 2006 (UTC) I am rufus (Talk | contribs)

— Jeff Q (talk) 06:54, 27 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Aftermath

This section reads like a total puff piece and has no sources. It sounds like what you'd read off the back of the DVD box, not something you'd expect from an encylopedia. Cthomer5000 01:22, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I see this has already been discussed. I noticed the same thing as Cthomer5000 did-the section lacks encyclopedic tone, has serious POV problems, and states quite a few very dubious claims without any type of referencing. It also has a good deal of weasel statement trouble. Seraphimblade 03:28, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of characters

This article is too long. I suggest to move all the stuff about che characters in a separate file called List of Twin Peaks characters -- Magioladitis 18:38, 26 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Article for Deletion - pop culture page

Cast your vote on this article's entry and help to keep/improve it. Lugnuts 19:32, 6 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Avoided instance of Plagiarism

In the "declining ratings" section, some of the text seems curiously similar to the introduction to David Lavery's collection of Peaks essays entitled Full of Secrets: Critical Approaches to Twin Peaks. I figured that the stuff that was being said needed citation anyway, so I just added a reference. However, I think we need to be much more careful in the future!

Text as it appears on the page:

  • On 15 February 1991, ABC announced that the show had been put on "indefinite hiatus", a move which usually leads to cancellation.

Text VERBATIM from Lavery's introduction:

  • On February 15, 1991, the American Broadcasting Corporation announced that Twin Peaks would be placed on "indefinite hiatus," a move ordinarily resulting in eventual cancellation.

I'd be willing to bet that whoever wrote that first passage had Lavery's book in their possession, if not right in front of them as they typed. Let's be sure to cite anything and everything we use; otherwise it could be bad news for wikipedia and bad news for us. Geoffr111 13:56, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Invitation to Love

Some of the character info was wrong on the page. "Jared Lancaster" is the name of the fictional soap patriarch, not "Chet," and so I made the change. I also fleshed out the other characters' profiles a little to add more information garnered from episodes 2-7. Geoffr111 14:54, 24 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Legacy, etc

"Before Twin Peaks, episodes of drama series tended to be stand alone, and could be watched in any order. Twin Peaks demonstrated that the interest of the television audience could be sustained, and even enhanced, if there were running storylines."

Isn't that pushing it a little? I'm not debating whether Twin Peaks was influential or not, but isn't Hill Street Blues generally considered to have revolutionized the one-hour format in terms of introducing continuous, week-by-week storylines? It's hard to overlook considering one of Peaks' co-creators was a staff writer on the earlier show. Just a caveat.Mseyers 19:39, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Majority of writing and directing not credited to Lynch/Frost

Wanted to call attention to the following sentence in Paragraph 1: "The episodes were written and directed by Lynch and Frost, with the exception of several episodes written by guest directors."

This is clearly wrong, as can be verified with any episode guide. Lynch only directed 6 of the 30 episodes; Frost directed 1 out of 30; Frost has a writing credit on 11 episodes out of 30, Lynch on 4 out of 30. I'm changing the sentence to "Although the series was created by Lynch and Frost, the majority of episodes are credited to different writers and directors."

That's not entirely true. Mark Frost directed episode 1.8 that aired on May 23, 1990. --J.D. 13:07, 22 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Similarities with Mullholland Drive

Aren't there quite a few plot similarities with Mullholland Dr.?--Timtak 04:37, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fair use rationale for Image:Bscap048.jpg

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Desperate need...

We are in desperate need of someone to write an article on each of the episodes. I can help if need be. Most of the pages that link to particular episodes are blank. BlueVelvet86 12:35, 13 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Talkpage archive & cleanup

Why does the talkpage archive contain the same content as the current talk page? The purpose of archiving is because the talkpage has become too long and unwieldy, so the older content is moved to the archive and the current year is left in place. Why create the archive if one is going to leave the old content on the talkpage?

On a related matter, I have given the talkpage a thorough going-over, adding unsigned teplates, formatting for consistency, and deleting a lot of random comments that had naught to do with improving the article. Honestly, I do not enjoy doing it, but as the talkpage header says: "This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Twin Peaks article. This is not a forum for general discussion about the article's subject." I take those words seriously. ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive' 17:22, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Reference deficiencies

I've added a {{refimprove}} tag because this article currently has many reference deficiencies. My cursory examination revealed three main problems:

  • Bare links in the prose (which I fixed).
  • Bare links in the reference citations.
  • Substantial information missing from full citations (like article titles, publications dates, access dates, etc.).

The two major problems with failing to use full citations, including authors, dates, works, access dates, etc., are:

  1. Bare links frequently cease to work. When this happens, editors will try to find other sources for the same information. This is much easier to do if specific information, like article titles and dates, are provided, instead of often-cryptic URLs.
  2. Providing these citation details in the References (or equivalent) section not only follows standard publishing practice, but has an extra import for Wikipedia. We do not have an editorial board to oversee our article content. We are the editorial board. Readers should be able to see at a glance the source of the information in the article, to enable them to weigh its merit for themselves. Hiding such information behind bare links reduces this opportunity and makes bias and unreliable sources easier to incorporate in articles.

I hope that regular editors of this article will help with this effort to improve the citations to provide this clarity. See Wikipedia:Footnotes, Wikipedia:Citing sources, and Wikipedia:Citation templates for more information on how to accomplish this. I welcome any questions on my talk page, too. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 15:12, 30 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for addressing this. I've cleaned up quite a few of the references and deleted ones that linked to message boards. I am the process of adding legitimate sources from old articles I have about the show when it came out. --J.D. 19:30, 30 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pop culture data

The two pop culture sections are unsourced and as a result I moved them here until they can either be integrated into other sections or referenced properly. --J.D. 19:30, 30 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]


In pop culture

Twin Peaks was widely seen as one of the defining shows of the 1990s, despite its brief run. The series has inspired numerous other television shows, which have parodied or paid homage to Twin Peaks. The long-running animated television show, The Simpsons, has even had multiple episodes with Twin Peaks-related subject matter, spoofs, and references — in "Who Shot Mr. Burns?" which parodies the famous "Red Room" scene, and "Lisa's Sax", which shows Homer watching a Twin Peaks episode in a flashback ("Brilliant! I have no idea what's going on!" he says, as he watches a scene involving a man slow-dancing with a unicorn under a tree, which has flashing traffic lights hanging from one of its branches). The thrash/speed metal band Anthrax wrote a song and released a video entitled "Black Lodge" from their Sound of White Noise album. This track was also produced by Angelo Badalamenti. Also, the grindcore band FDISK recorded three songs based upon the series. Finnish doom-death metal band Swallow the Sun included a song called "Ghost of Laura Palmer" on their album Ghosts of Loss. German metalcore band Caliban included a song on their album Shadow Hearts called "Between The Worlds",in which the infamous line "Fire Walk With Me" is included in the lyrics. The influence can be seen on other levels in other popular media — books, songs, film, and even video games and comic books. The series was spoofed in Scary Movie (2000) and Men in Black II (2002) (which also starred Lara Flynn Boyle), and has spawned several imitations, due to its success, such as Northern Exposure; Wild Palms; American Gothic; Eerie, Indiana; The X-Files; Carnivàle and Night and Day.

DJ Shadow sampled and used the words "It is happening again", as said by the Giant in episode 14, at the end of the track "What Does Your Soul Look Like, Pt. 1".

Apoptygma Berzerk (a dark synth-pop band) used the audio from a scene between Major Briggs and Windom Earle, near the end of the series ("What is your name?" "Garland....Briggs." "What do you fear the most in this world?" "The possibility...that love is not enough.") as a prelude to their song, Moment of Tranquility.

  • In the movie Clueless, the main character Cher says, "I'm having a Twin Peaks experience...!"[citation needed]
  • In the long-running series NYPD Blue, actors Nicholas Turturro and Gordon Clapp referred to their comedy scenes together as "Twin Peaks", in reference to the series.[1]
  • On the Foster's Home For Imaginary Friends episode, "Infernal Slumber", Mac's brother wakes up, and is going to tell his mom that he has people over, but they convince him he is really dreaming. During this scene, Bloo walks over to Terrence holding a log, and is talking backwards. This is a reference to Margaret Lanterman ("The Log Lady") and the dream sequences with the Lodge Inhabitants who talk backwards.
  • Sesame Street's "Monsterpiece Theatre" parodied Twin Peaks in a sketch called "Twin Beaks", with Alistair Cookie acting as Cooper, asking for answers about the name of the town. It features a parody of David Lynch, named David Finch, who refuses to answer questions, a reference to Lynch's own refusal to talk about the meanings of his work. It features a parody of the Log Lady, the Log Bird, who carries a talking log. He even often exclaims, "Darn good pie!".
  • In the video game, Max Payne, there is a TV series called Address Unknown that plays during the game on certain televisions. This show makes many references to Twin Peaks, such as the red curtains and tiled floor, evil twins, and the backwards-speak.
  • Moby used a sample of "Laura Palmer's Theme" in his 1991 dance track, "Go".
  • hip hop artist El-Producto used a sample of Laura Palmer talking with Donna Hayward as an intro to his 2007 album "I'll Sleep When You're Dead".
  • Mushroomhead used samples from the movie on their self titled independant release.
  • The "Twin Beaks" episode of the Disney animated series, Darkwing Duck, contains many parodies of and references to "Twin Peaks", including Dr. Bushroot's dead husk being wrapped in plastic and thrown into the water (similar to how Laura Palmer was found), and Launchpad holding a log to his head and exclaiming "The cows are not what they seem (parodying both the Log Lady and the famous quote, "the owls are not what they seem"). The episode even featured a musical score inspired by the music from Twin Peaks.
  • In an episode of Comedy Central's Lil' Bush, Lil' Rummy suggests burning down the cafeteria, to which Lil' Cheney replies, "Fire walk with me."
  • Argentinian progressive rock band Menu du Jour has a song called "Sparkwood & 21", inspired in the famous scene from Twin Peaks.
  • Tennessee rock band Superdrag recorded a song entitled "Garmonbozia".
  • On their recent album Resurrection, metal band Chimaira included the track The Flame, which was inspired by Twin Peaks and contains a sample from the show at the beginning of the song.
I quite agree with you on this matter, J.D., and intended to say something about this myself. I deleted the (blessedly) brief trivia section the other day after integrating the only useful part into the article, but "pop culture" sections are no different than trivia sections, and this is even worse because there are two of them. They need to be trimmed down dramatically. Good call. ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive' 00:29, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Why is MIKE in caps?

Although it is explained above that BOB is capitalized per Laura Palmer's diary, why is MIKE treated the same way? If it also is due to the Palmer diary, I think this article should explain why the caps are being used. 68.146.41.232 04:46, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Two seasons, not three

Twin Peaks' status as a two-season series is NOT a misconception; it is the truth. The first season contained the Pilot plus seven regular episodes, for a total of eight episodes. The second season contained 22 episodes, the last two of which were aired consecutively as a two-hour block.

The fact that the second set of (22) episodes all originally aired between September 1990 and April 1991 (with the exception of the final two episodes, which aired in June 1991) should prove that they constituted a single 22-episode season. Indeed, imdb.com confirms (as does my personal collection of videotapes of the airing) that there was no break between the airdate of the episode where Laura's killer is apprehended and the following episode. They aired one week apart. Furthermore, series co-creator Mark Frost himself has stated that the series was canceled after "two" seasons. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.84.43.29 (talk) 18:24, 7 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The "third season" business was added by DuaneThomas, and, like much of the rest of the description of the show's progress, was unsupported by cited references. I have changed it to reflect the actual two-season flow, but the timing of the hiatus, the lower ratings, the write-in campaign, and ABC's renewed commitment, etc., all need specific sources. IMDb can help a little, but most of this should be sourced by news articles. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 21:23, 7 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
An interesting coda to this discussion — DuaneThomas briefly pointed out to me that TV.com now claims that there is a third season. He gave me a link that did not point directly to this information, but I found two other TV.com links that do show this oddity:
The description page for this supposed "episode" offers little data (no prod code, no airdate, episode # 0), just a single inane quote and a summary that does indeed suggest it is nothing but a commercial, as if anyone in the industry is silly enough to call a commercial featuring characters from a show an actual episode. (How well I remember those wonderful Yahtzee episodes of The Odd Couple! Felix: "First I'll go for the ones, then the twos…") I'm not surprised that Duane quickly reverted his post to my talk page, presumably as soon as he read the content of "Season 3", expecting to make a reasonably sourced update to this article as requested, but finding a commercial instead. But someone else might actually try to sell this idea, so I thought I'd mention it here.
I must say that this apparent prank or excessive zeal of some TV.com editor significantly decreases my respect for that site, or at least its editorial oversight. If I recall correctly, since TV.com took over this material from TVTome.com (a much better operation IMHO), the show-editing requirements have been based not on how useful the information is, but on how many comments you've posted to their discussion boards, as if chattering about TV shows qualifies you to submit accurate data. I can't call their attention to this absurdity because I've never seen a point in expressing my opinions there. But I thought they had at least some kind of vetting process. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 07:29, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Lynch says series is unfinished

I came across this article (http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/cult/a79173/david-lynch-twin-peaks-is-unfinished.html) which states Lynch believes the story is still unfinished-do you think it would be relevent to put this in here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.142.248.166 (talk) 14:35, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's relevant, not only because it's the director/creator saying this, but because it's a show that many people are still very interested in, despite it being off the air for almost two decades.

List of shows influenced by TP, from introduction.

I cut this from the introduction, and I bring it here for discussion:

The series also influenced several subsequent television series, including Northern Exposure, Picket Fences, Wild Palms, American Gothic, The X-Files, Carnivàle, Lost, Desperate Housewives, Wolf Lake, Eerie, Indiana, and Night and Day. Many of these were said to be "the next Twin Peaks" due to their examination of the human condition and the dark side of American suburban life.

I trimmed the list down to the four programs that came immediately afterward, Northern Exposure, Picket Fences, Wild Palms, and The X-Files, and I removed the last sentence, which is just an unreferenced claim. We have no need of such a long list in the introduction, though a fuller list could be included in a section on Twin Peaks influence. However, such a section would have to be referenced, unlike this ungainly list. I mean, really, Desperate Housewives? ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive' 22:19, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Frankly, any mention of influences should have sources. I've fact-tagged the remaining statement to explicitly call for them. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 23:51, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
No, I actually agree with you. At least, in the case of the four programs that remain, references should be easily found. With the others, I think it is more of a stretch. ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive' 00:29, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Didn't mean to suggest otherwise, RepublicanJacobite — I usually post for the whole talk-page audience, not just the person raising the issue. In fact, were I up to my usual activity level, I would have found and added those citations instead of just calling for them. I applaud your more direct and significant contribution in making the text more concise and more likely to get those sources. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 06:18, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Kyle MacLachlan Twin Peaks.jpg in danger

This is an FYI, if the regular editors of this article desire to keep this image, or want to replace it. I originally uploaded it over two years ago. It was just tagged as lacking a fair use rationale and proper source information, and notices for such were placed on my talk page, but not, I note, on this talk page. The tagger also failed to give an edit summary when putting the speedy deletion notice in this article's usage of that image. This is not a subject I am involved with at this point, but I thought those who are would want proper notice so they can act accordingly. Cheers, Postdlf (talk) 06:34, 19 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

MIKE and The Fugitive

Can someone check the quote in the paragraph about MIKE? There is a direct quote there about the character being ispired by The Fugitive, but an anonymous user reworded it. I have reverted to the earlier version, but if someone with the book being quoted could double-check the quote, I think that would be helpful. Thanks. ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive' 17:56, 19 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've tried to download the timeline linked from the article, http://www.twinpeaks.org/archives/references/timeline but I don't recognize the format or know how to open it. If this is a legitimate format, I think that the link entry should at least specify the format, and what programs might open it, unless this is very obvious. --Hermitage (talk) 08:16, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

[edit] Origins

The true origins of the Twin Peaks story goes back to 1973 when the Rim of the World High homecoming queen was raped and murdered and her home set afire next door to some property that David Lynch owned in Twin Peaks, California. As a former resident of Lake Arrowhead, California and employee of the Antlers Inn & Lodge which was in Twin Peaks (the real Roadhouse), I feel that the "true facts" concerning the origins of Twin Peaks need be given attention. 63.215.28.20 (talk) 00:09, 3 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Would you care to provide some evidence for these claims? Or, are you just running off at the mouth? ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive' 04:31, 3 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I assure you that I am not "running off at the mouth". I was a resident of the Lake Arrowhead area from February 1973 to November 1990. Not only did David Lynch base his TV show on the murder of a real life homecoming queen, but other elements of the show were based on local events too, such as "The Black Lodge", were also co-opted too. In the case of the Black Lodge, that was a silly hoax about a cabin occupied by baby-sacrificing Satanists pulled off by a classmate of mine that got blown all out of proportion and actually made it to television news and prompted a police investigation. The newspaper, The San Bernardino Sun, has documented most of these events. I'm hoping that other Wiki-readers living in the San Bernardino area can confirm my claims.63.215.28.19 (talk) 18:33, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Confirming that the events happened and confirming that the events are an inspiration for Twin Peaks are two very different things, you know. Tarc (talk) 14:22, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That homecoming queen was murdered next door to David Lynch's house. She had been raped, hogtied, and the house she lived in set on fire. I imagined that he at least noticed all the firetrucks outside. Coelacanth1938 (talk) 20:11, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  1. ^ Life in the 15th Precinct, NYPD Blue season 3 DVD documentary
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