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Controversy regarding the number of Palestinian casualties in the 2023 Israel–Hamas war was nominated for deletion. The discussion was closed on 26 January 2024 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were merged into Casualties of the Israel–Hamas war. The original page is now a redirect to this page. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected article, please see its history; for its talk page, see here.

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Number of deaths in Gaza are not reliable as they are provided by Hamas Sofia Cohen (talk) 20:04, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done. The UN and most other reliable sources think they are reliable see BBC News: Israeli strikes kill 50 in Gaza, Hamas-run health ministry says. And as to the Israeli estimate in that of militants killed see the section in the article on Civilian to combatant ratio. NadVolum (talk) 23:21, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps the Gaza Health Ministry data from the beginning of the war through April (the same period as the UN report), which says that only 52% of those killed were women and children, should be added to the first paragraph. Also, perhaps, a second pie chart should be added reflecting the GMH data. PotatoKugel (talk) 06:41, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is when they started reporting the number of killed people whose identies had been verified. There were also very many people killed who had not been identified. A much higher proportion of people who have been killed have now been identified. Why is that particular date important? NadVolum (talk) 22:13, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Stephan rostie, I don't agree with this edit. The OHCHR data is based only on 8,119 of the dead, all of whom meet the requirement of of their death being verified by at least three independent sources. While its a noble effort, it might introduce selection bias, which the report admits to: "a large proportion of the fatalities verified by OHCHR were killed in residential buildings or similar housing is also partly explained by OHCHR’s verification methodology". This selection bias could then impact the demographics of the counts. I prefer sticking to the GHM data that is more comprehensive. The GHM data shows the percentage of children killed is a lot lower (33%) than what the OHCHR has been able to verify in its study (44%). Ping to NadVolum.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 08:46, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Actually I think there's good reasons to believe the number of children killed is being badly underreported to the GHM and the actual overall percentage is closer to that from the OHCHR. The most straightforward is we should expect about twice as many children killed than women from the overall demographics. The GHM figures are the ones we've got to use if only one figure is shown in summaries but I don't think we can just dismiss the OHCA figure otherwise. And a very large percentage of the dead are from residential buildings anyway. NadVolum (talk) 12:58, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The percentage of men killed compared to women should also be much higher and more in line with the GHM figure. This is probably much more affected by the residental buildings business you mentioned. NadVolum (talk) 15:34, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]