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Hi Kathovo. I am removing content from this article because I have discovered that much of the material I put there is either unverifiable or definitely untrue. I think it's be best to have the article removed entirely. Much of it's content came directly from Don himself and has since proven to be contrary to the facts.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Aerialbear (talk • contribs) 15:05, 23 June 2013‎

Hi, you can add {{db-G7}} at the top of the page and an admin will do the rest.--Kathovo talk 13:32, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Greetings Kathovo. I AM Don Elwell, and a former student informed me that the page, originally set up for me by aerialbear and subsequently modified, had been gutted by him as "unverifiable". Please note this is apparently a personal conflict between myself and the individual in question (I was frankly rather stunned) and in no way should reflect on the people with whom I've worked over the years. Aerialbear has not attempted to contact me for any kind of verification or citational material, nor have we been in communication since last year. I am not terribly familiar with Wikipedia, but If I can supply citations, newspaper articles, or the like, please do not hesitate to contact me. — Preceding unsigned comment added byDonelwell (talk •contribs) 01:54, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi,

We (i.e. Wikipedia in Swedish) would very much like to have a confirmation that Rafy on Swedish Wikipedia is the same user as you. Thank you for your understanding! / Ternarius(talk) 03:41, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi, I hereby confirm that Rafy was my previous enwiki username. --Kathovo talk 14:04, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Hey Kathovo, I hope I am not bothering you with this subject, but I made a reply to your comment about the map of the Sassanian Empire on the talk page of the article and I would like for you to visit my talk page because there are more details about this topic there. Look for "The map of the Sassanid Empie Pt. 4: The accuracy." on my talk page. I would like to know your thoughts on the subject as well as HistoryofIran and Bwilkin's thoughts on the matter. Please reply to me on my talk page. :D Keeby101 (talk) 04:30, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Hello again Kathovo, I would just like to apologize if I have aggravated you on any topic that we have discussed. But none of the less, I still would like for you to visit my talk page and give me your thoughts on a topic that I posted on there.Keeby101 (talk) 02:40, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Oops, didn't mean to make a duplicate lol. Keeby101 (talk) 02:41, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

I do not mean to bother you, but I have a great idea that everyone will love!

I will put my improved map of the Sasanian Empire that shows the empire at it's greatest extent as the principle image of the article about the empire:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sasanian_Empire_cca._620_A.D.png

BUT! I will put this new map that I recently made on 3 articles! The first one being the Byzantine Sassanid War 602-628, the second being the Roman-Persian Wars and the third being the "Secong Goldern Era" section of the Sasanian Empire article. Here is the new map:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Temporary_Conquests_of_the_Sassanid_Empire_during_the_7th_centruy.png 

Byzantine Empire is shown in purple with black borders, the core territory of the Sassanid Empire shown in brown with grey borders and the temporary conquests of the Sassanid Empire in the early 7th century shown in orange.

Pretty excellent eh? — Precedingunsigned comment added by Keeby101(talk • contribs) 21:52, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Keeby101 (talk) 22:00, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Please visit my talk page. I made a map very similar to this one:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Temporary_Conquests_of_the_Sassanid_Empire_during_the_7th_centruy.pngdifference being that I didn't include the Byzantine Empire in it.Keeby101 (talk) 12:01, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Although your action has been reversed by one more authorised to deal with the matter, or perhaps simply one more sensible than you, I found it an uncomfortable encounter and have questions for you, as it appears you deem yourself quite the editor. On what basis did you assert that my revision, adding the Kurdish name of Nineveh, was able to be challenged, and your assertion that Nineveh is not located in Kurdistan? Are you aware that you are wrong? Did you do any research prior to your action? Did you know your action was falsely based? Cheers. — Precedingunsigned comment added by124.148.107.55 (talk) 22:26, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

The main reason I reverted is because you claimed Nineveh was in Kurdistan, which is plain wrong. I happen to have been born a few kilometres from Mosul, the largest Arab city in upper Mesopotamia, and I have seen the ruins of Nineveh literally hundreds of time, I don't need to do a research to know its location.--Kathovo talk 13:15, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

I don't quite understand your reasoning here. Your assertion stands in stark contrast with the geographic and demographic reality in place. Nineveh is located well within modern Kurdistan, and though you may object to that fact, you have no right, I repeat no right to forward your ideological leanings, especially as they stand in contrast to verifiable fact, as they well do. Whatever your feelings toward Kurds or Kurdistan may be, however much you may reject the existence of Kurdistan beyond belief and reason, you, as an editor on this encyclopedia, have a duty to act scrupulously and ethically. There are guidelines with which I suggest you become acquainted, and if you make another ad hoc, self-compelled attempt at subverting an article due to your personal prejudices, I will make it my duty to have you censured. —Preceding unsigned comment added by124.148.107.55 (talk) 22:43, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Good luck with your little crusade :). By the way, where have I claimed Kurdistan didn't exist? let's assume I'm completely ignorant of the geography of my birthplace, could you produce reputable references to support your claims? In fact non of the sources I checked (Mosul Before Iraq, State and Provincial Society in the Ottoman Empire: Mosul, 1540-1834) help your position.--Kathovo talk 15:47, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Firstly I would like apologize for aggravating you and everyone else on controversial topics on Wikipedia. It was slightly immature of me and I really do not want you and I to be enemies or on any sort of bad terms for that matter. With that being said, pleas come to my talk page one last time and take a look at what I posted on the Topic "The map of the Sassanid Empire! New and Improved!" andPLEASE read the entire response. Peace ☮ Keeby101 (talk) 20:09, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

So I went on to the Sasanian Empire talk page and posted my response and I pretty much posted what I said to you on my talk page on the article's talk page. I probably should have admitted this when I was brand new to Wikipedia, but I do not have good online etiquette when it comes to communicating with others. With that being said, I apologized to everyone in bold letters on the talk page of the article in case if I sounded rude when made my response on the talk page. But none of the less, I hope a consensus will be reached. I told everyone that if none of us can reach a consensus, then we might have no choice but to use WP:DR. Anyway, I will be adding my interests to my user page. Speaking of which, how do I put my interests on my user page. I have managed to put only a few on there, but when I try to put my interests in the future and Science fiction as well as prehistory, it doesn't appear. At least, not like how the others appeared on my user page. How can I put all of my interests on my user page without them being red saying "Page does not exist"? Keeby101 (talk) 03:38, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Quick update! No one has responded to my latest comment on the talk page of the Sasanian Empire article. I have cited more sources to back up my map as well. User Rupert Clayton had told me long ago that if no one responds to me within a reasonable time, I should be bold and make my change. With that being said, should I replace the current map in the infobox of the article with my map now? Or should we still wait for a consensus to be reached? Keeby101 (talk) 08:18, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

P.S. I am planning on creating 2 new articles, but they are lists. More details on my talk page. I was wondering if you would like to contribute, after all you have been very helpful to me on a lot of topics. :D Keeby101 (talk) 08:18, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

I hope I am not bothering you right now and if I am then I would like to say that I am sorry for doing so, but as I posted above, no one has responded to my latest comment on the Sasanian Empire talk page. I added more sources which are actual books that I have read at my local libraries. A long time ago a user named Rupert Clayton went on to my talk page about eiditing articles and told me that if no one responds within a reasonable time that I should be bold and make my change. With all of that being said, should I put up my map as the infobox image of the article now? Or should I still wait for a consensus to be reached by other users?Keeby101 (talk) 01:43, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Why revert? i know that they have an historical association with Israelites\Judeans\Jews, and that there also an opinion that they came out of the people of Israel. therefore i think it suits the article. thanks. Ben-Natan (talk) 13:12, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

All Abrahamic religions can be ultimately traced by to Judaism, we still don't add Hebrew names to Christianity and Islam.--Kathovo talk 13:55, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Kathovo! It was not my work. I was trying to help a student who wanted to stress that there had been a Jewish presence in Cizre BESIDES THE Muslims and THE CHRISTIANS WHO LIVE THERE NOW. This is what she added:

"Up until 1950 this town was populated as well by Jews. Most of the Jews. Have left following the massacre of Syrian and Armenian. For instance attached a passport of Mr. And Mrs. Meir Glisko who was born in Jezira in1900."

I wonder why it is not important in your view to mention the THERE WAS A Jewish presence in Cizre? — Precedingunsigned comment added byHistoire2020 (talk •contribs) 16:55, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Hello, I reverted this edit because it replaced "tripoint" with "More of ima's friends came", which looked like clear vandalism to me. I haven't noticed the inclusion of that paragraph about Jewish presence. I will restore the useful part of the that edit.--Kathovo talk 19:49, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

You re-org'd what we were trying to say in a concise, stronger way. Thanks. Hopefully won't get vandalized again by people trying to tag Elamite to Turkic, Dravidian, etc. etc. etc. HammerFilmFan (talk) 15:34, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

		The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
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I would like to finalize the Talk:Assyrian_struggle_for_independence#Merger; though there seems to be a consensus there, i would like to find compromise with your minority opinion prior to merger. Thanks!Greyshark09(talk) 07:27, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

I am now on a new topic that is my latest and grandest proposal. It is about the Afsharid Dynasty (1736-1796) and the Safavid Dynasty (1501-1736). I originally was planning on merging those two articles together, but I have reformed/rephrased my proposal and I have instead decided to create an entirely new article created called "Third Persian Empire" or "Early Modern Persian Empire" that would be specifically about the Safavid and Afsharid Empires. Many people call these dynasties Empires because of the immense territory they possessed. When people type "Early Modern Persian Empire" or "Early Modern Persia", it will redirect them to my new article. In the article I will have links to the current articles that are called the "Safavid Dynasty" and the "Afsharid Dynasty". I will add sections to the article that will have links to the Safavid and Afsharid Dynasty articles. I have gotten into an argument with a user named Folantin. For some reason he opposes the proposal which is why I am bringing this topic up on your talk page. I wanted to know your thoughts on this proposal, whether you oppose or support my proposal. This is also on my talk page, but no one has responded to it on there. You do not have to visit and comment on my talk page about this, but I would like a response from you none of the less. If you go to the Afsharid Dynasty talk page, there are more details there. Peace ☮ Keeby101 (talk) 09:24, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

I have finally created my first article:List of species rumored/believed to still be alive and I honestly did not expect for it to be nominated for deletion so quickly. There are many species that are rumored to still be alive ranging from prehistoric to modern day. Currently there is a heated debate hereWikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of species rumored/believed to still be alive on whether it should be deleted or not. I of course voted to keep the article whereas other are wanting to redirect it to Lists of cryptids. I was wondering what your thoughts on this new article are. I am not trying to canvas, but I am just wanting to hear out your opinion on the matter. Cheers!Keeby101 (talk) 20:54, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

My knowledge on the subject is very poor. You should probably ask users involved in relevant Wikiprojects.--Kathovo talk 13:24, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Dear Kathovo

You have removed my link, however the link was from Wikipedia itself please check the link below, the popes names I had added came from Syria and Palestine as listed and confirmed by Wikipedia. Kindly to return back the information since it’s very important about the Arab participation in the Catholic Church

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_popes —Preceding unsigned comment added byGsaad72 (talk •contribs) 11:18, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Literature usually calls them either Greek and Syrian popes. If we follow your logic then Jesus was Arab and Paul was Turkish.--Kathovo talk 12:46, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

I's been awhile since I have reviewed this topic. I recently made a request on the Wikipedia Map Workshop for a new map of the Sasanian Empire and when I did so, I told them the entire story and they took a look at all of the discussions and debates on the talk page of the article including the most recent one that was started by me when I was a new user on Wikipedia. They then proceeded to tell me to do the following:

• Start a new, calm, well thought out discussion on the article talk page for just this purpose, contribute your own position, and let other editors contribute theirs.
• If you can achieve a proper consensus amongst editors as to exactly what this map should show, then link this request to that consensus.

So I did exactly as they asked. Here is the link to the new discussion:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Sasanian_Empire#Went_on_to_map_workshop_and_made_request_for_new_map.21_.28Relax.21_I.27m_not_here_to_edit_war.2C_I_just_want_to_share_to_everyone_what_the_Graphists_and_Cartographers_told_be_to_do_which_is_to_start_a_new.2C_calm_discussion_here.29_:.29.29

Please share your thoughts there. Regards and Cheers! :D Keeby101(talk) 03:58, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Also on a side note, the entire reason why I started the topic "The map of the Sassanid Empire" in the first place is because I was a new user and jumped straight into map making and then later on and after the edit war was over, I saw the map of the Achaemenid Empire here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:AchaemenidEmpireTerritorialExpanision.jpg and I thought that the current map of the Sasanian Empire:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:SassanianEmpireHistoryofIran.png was ABSOLUTELY PATHETIC in comparison. So I went to the Wikipedia Map Workshop and made a request to either make an improved and more accurate version of my map:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:The_Sasanian_Persian_Empire_ca._620_A.D.jpg(which HistoryofIran called ugly with low quality) OR make an entirely new map of the Sasanian Empire altogether! You know what happened afterwords because I stated what happened next above. Regards. Keeby101 (talk) 03:59, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Looking back at what I said above, I apologize for my rudeness. That was very immature of me to call another users map pathetic. The topic is so far going in a good direction. HistoryOfIran has agreed to my recommendations to the Map Workshop. Hopefully others will respond as well. Again, please share your thoughts there. You can either agree or disagree. Regards and Cheers! :) Keeby101(talk) 23:37, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi, it's fine that you have decided to change your approach, but I seriously think the subject took much more time and effort that it deserves. I will leave a reply at the article's talk page.--Kathovo talk 11:36, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

I replied to your post talk page. I think you will like what I had to say! Liked your reply on the talk page btw. :D Keeby101 (talk) 05:03, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Hello! Your submission of George of Izla at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneathyour nomination's entryand respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! AbstractIllusions (talk) 19:14, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your review. I posted my reply at the nomination page.--Kathovo talk 11:01, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

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On 2 September 2013,Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Gabriel of Sinjar, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that George of Izla's execution was instigated by Gabriel of Sinjar after a theological debate in Ctesiphon? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how,quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on theDid you know? talk page.

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Hello Kathovo,

Regarding your change on Malatya and comment 'next time read image description before "correcting"' please note that the picture might be Byzantine but the description was incorrect. The battle ended with the defeat of the Byzantines and the taking of the fort. I hope we have no misunderstandig.

Cheers,

Yozer1 (talk) 13:56, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

The image in question belongs to the Madrid Skylitzes, this manuscript depicted events from 811 to 1057, that is well before the rise of theDanishmend. Now, if you had done your research properly you would've easily came to the conclusion that it didn't fall to the Turks until1101.--Kathovo talk 14:24, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

On September 30th, seeing that the majority of Ahvaz's inhabitants are Arabic speakers and that they had their own name (الأحواز)(romanized as al-ʾAḥwāz) for the city, I had added the Arabic version as well as its Romanization. A few hours later you undid my addition and referred to my contribution as "vandalism".
Many Israeli cities are found in Wikipedia which list both the Hebrew as well as the Arabic names of those cities (e.g. Nazareth, Acre,Haifa, Jaffa, Tel Aviv, Ashdod, Beersheba, Ashkelon, etc), presumably on the basis that the Arabic names are used by the Arabic speaking population of those officially Hebrew speaking cities.
I doubt that the addition of those Arabic versions of the names is the work of "vandals".

The situation with Ahwaz is the same. Although Ahwaz is undoubtedly controlled by Iran and currently falls within its borders, nevertheless its population is mainly Arabic speaking and there is an Arabic name for the city.

In light of this, how can you justify calling my contribution, which consisted only of adding further accurate information to the article, "vandalism"?

Thank you for your response.

P.S. Even distinguished Persian writer Abbas Mīlānī, writing as recently as 2008 in his Eminent Persians : the men and women who made modern Iran, 1941 - 1979 Vol. 1 refers to the city by the romanization of its Arabic name. Why are you preventing Wikipedia from doing so? --أخوها (talk) 02:32, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

I simply restored an older version before it was vandalised by anons. Of course you can re-add the Arabic name again.--Kathovo talk 11:02, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. I have done so.--أخوها (talk) 20:30, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

As you know, I have been very busy for the last month and a half, please visit my talk page on regards to the latest topic that I have brought up there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Keeby101 (talk •contribs) 03:44, 3 November 2013 (UTC) Keeby101 (talk) 17:26, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi Keeby, it has been indeed a while ago since we last discussed this topic. I hope you were able to reach a compromise with other editors. Cheers.--Kathovo talk 23:40, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

I would like your additions to the Assyrian exodus from Iraq.GreyShark (dibra) 22:28, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi Grey, good start, I will add a paragraph or two to it some time in the near future.--Kathovo talk 23:41, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Kathovo,

Al-Anfal was a genocide against Kurds, and it included other minorities. As such, the regime massacred and persecuted Assyrians, and therefore should be part of the "Persecution of Assyrians" section. — Preceding unsigned comment added byPenguins53 (talk •contribs) 00:47, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi, persecution is a loaded term and should be avoided whenever possible. Besides, we know for example that millions of Jews died during WWII, yet no one describes that war as part of the "Persecution of Jews".--Kathovo talk 01:21, 11 December 2013 (UTC)