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Instead of "title not announced" ...[]

..what about just TBA with no quotes. I think it will look better. Am I the only one with this opinion? LOST-ParticleMan 20:25, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Agree: It's a lot shorter too. As for no quotes, I don't think that's possible when using the templates.--Baker1000 20:50, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
This has been done. -- CTS  Talk   Contribs 20:56, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
Sweet! LOST-ParticleMan 21:13, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

"Oceanic Six"[]

Is "Because You Left" really "Oceanic Six"-centric? I would actually call it the first episode not to be centered around any particular character or group of characters. (ie: listed as "none")  Jimbo the Tubby  talk  contributions  04:50, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Changed to "Various" for now. -- CTS  Talk   Contribs 04:53, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
"Non-centric," perhaps? -- Sam McPherson  T  C  E  05:25, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
"Various" sounds better to me --     Nusentinsaino     talk    contribs    email   05:28, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
IMO the centric is more around the "Islandies" ("three years earlier etc) rather than the O6. - TheAma1 12:54, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

"Flashes"[]

I changed the "Flashes" in (Flashes in Parentheses) to "Centrics" because technically there will be little or no flashbacks or flashforwards for this season. --     Nusentinsaino     talk    contribs    email   05:28, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Just a note on grammar: would "centricity" work better?  Jimbo the Tubby  talk  contributions  19:28, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

I don't think this is necessarily true yet. The first two episodes have a flash ending on a character's face and then a woosh sound, making them technically normal (or similar to the first one with Juliet) flash episodes. The first episode would be a Daniel flash forward, and the second would be a Hurley flashback. We should see if Jughead is following the same pattern, in which case 'centric' is probably unnecessary. --Jackdavinci 23:35, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

  • What's up with the reverse to 'Flash' and "unknown"? Centric(ism/ity) seemed like the consensus, as well as Hurley's "centering". The first one is not a Daniel FF/FB/whatever, it is focused on everyone without a predominance for a given character. - TheAma1 23:56, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
    • The first one definitely contained a Daniel flashforward. As for whether it was "centric" to him I would argue it is - the main story line had to do with him figuring out what was going on with the time jumps, and warning past-Desmond that he needed to help. The episode started with his flashforward, a good portion had him explaining things to the other characters or going off on his own to mess with Desmond, and the episode ended with Desmond getting his message in the future and starting to enact Daniel's plan. That's certainly as centric as Hurley's episode. Hurley's episode started with a Hurley flashback, so I don't see any reason to invent a new category for it. The only novelty here was that both episodes started with the flashback or flashforward and each had only one, but even that has been done similarly with the first Juliet flashback. --Jackdavinci 04:15, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Can I just say that I love the fact that the beginning of "Because You Left" was a flashforward to the past?  Jimbo the Tubby  talk  contributions  01:51, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Jughead continues the trend of starting the episode with a flash. I think we can dispense with this "centricity has replaced flashes" nonsense. Episode 1 was a Daniel flashforward, episode 2 a Hurley flashback, and episode 3 a Desmond flashback. How many episodes is it going to take to convince you? --Jackdavinci 03:05, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

In the episode Because you Left is Faraday-Centric , because his character appear in the flashback or flashforward.

*Is convinced.*  Jimbo the Tubby  talk  contributions  04:26, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, we're four episodes in and all have had flashes. Episode 4 is clearly Kate-centric.    CANADA DRY    talk    contribs    email   03:24, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
We've kind of adopted the rule that the intros to the season don't count as anything, right? Otherwise, we should count 3x01 as Juliet-centric and probably 4x01 as Jack-centric, too. Let's make it simple and say the Daniel flash was an intro thing and leave it alone. Besides, it didn't cut to any of these characters in multiple times, so they don't count to me. Alexisfan07 8 February 2009

Kate-centric[]

Isn't "The Little Prince" more a Kate-centric? - TheAma1 09:25, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

I agree. This discussion is happening here.   CANADA DRY    talk    contribs    email   15:36, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Consensus seems to be that the episode is Kate-centric. Can we change it here? Also, the consensus for "Because You Left" is that it is Daniel-centric, so we should change that too.  Jimbo the Tubby  talk  contributions  23:35, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

  • The Daniel-centric for "Because You Left" is FAR from being a "consensus". - TheAma1 23:54, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
  • Yes the Because You Left centricity is still debatable. The Little Prince, however, is clearly Kate-centric and has already been edited on it's main page. It' needs to be changed here aswell. Tranquility 11:21, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
  • Because you left has followed the same pattern as the rest of the season. What else will it take to convince you? "Final closeup in beginning flash" is a concrete centricity determiner that works for all episodes this season and prevents the constant guesswork each episode. I guess people would rather debate endlessly each Wednesday lol. --Jackdavinci 12:08, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Sun/Jin centric[]

I think the centricity of This Place Is Death is probably Ben, because it centers around his efforts to get the 6 back to the Island. This template should probably be updated to reflect that. Michael Lucero * Talk * Contributions

Disagree. There is no centricity to this episode.  Jimbo the Tubby  talk  contributions  03:16, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

  • Disagree. Agree with last comment. --Xbenlinusx 03:16, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
  • Damon and Carlton have said that the centricities were going to be less obvious, and focus on more characters at a time, but that they still would be character centric. The blurb for this episode makes it clear that it is Ben. Michael Lucero * Talk * Contributions
  • You'll need a source for that because they also said "there may no longer be any flashbacks or flashforwards" which is what determine centricity.  Jimbo the Tubby  talk  contributions  04:03, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
  • Ben's total screen time is approximately 10-15 minutes. Max. You're joking. -- Xbenlinusx 04:07, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
  • I take back my claim that it is Ben-centric. After reviewing the discussion on the episode's page, I now think it was Sun & Jin. There seems to be a consensus developing toward that. The reason I thought Ben was because of the teaser text, which usually hints toward centricity: "Meanwhile, Ben hits a roadblock in his attempt to reunite the Oceanic 6 and bring them back to the island." I don't remember exactly the source for Damon & Carlton's quote about season 5 centricity, but I'm not the only one who remembers it (see Talk page for ("This Place Is Death")). The idea that there aren't any flashforwards or flashbacks anymore is ridiculous. With the time travel element, everything is a flashforward or -back. Michael Lucero * Talk * Contributions
  • Agree with Jin/Sun for centricity. See the debate on the episode talk page for more info, but the basic point is that centricity does not require a flashback or flashforward. The reason we switched to using "centric" on the episode infobox was specifically because the terms "flashback" or "flashforward" may no longer apply. I think Jin and Sun clearly qualify as "centric" characters for this episode (at least Jin... I suppose Sun is more debatable, but it's pretty clear in Jin's case). -- COMPOSSIBLE  Talk  Contribs  09:22, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
  • Jin/Sun centric - It has been discussed in length on the epi's talk page. - TheAma1 13:34, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
It has indeed, and the consensus there is Sun and Jin. Please update the template to reflect this. Also, as I noted before, it's not true that the terms flashforward and flashback don't apply; rather, now everything is a flashforward or flashback. Michael Lucero * Talk * Contributions
  • I agree with Jin/Sun. The first 20-30 minutes in the island definitely center on Jin, and most scenes off the island center on Sun. --Kristbg 14:29, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
    • I agree with Jin/Sun. Sun gets a "stand-alone" scene while others don't, Jin is the main character through Danielle's adventure, and the final part revolves mainly about the wedding ring and Sun coming back or not. --Comfortably.Floyd 04:41, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
  • We have over 15 people agreeing with Sun/Jin centric at the episode's discussion page. This needs to be updated. Tranquility 11:36, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
  • Definitely Jin/Sun centric. Please change! JamesyWamesy 17:39, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
  • I fold, change it to "Jin/Sun" (actually, I'd say just "Jin" but it seems like I'd be voted down), I don't wanna argue with the entire community and seeing as how the two sides of the debate are "none" and "Jin/Sun", having it say "Various" (thus appeasing nobody) just seems kinda dumb.  Jimbo the Tubby  talk  contributions  22:30, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
  • Agree — Jin on island. Sun off island. -- Hamdo    [Talk] 22:44, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
  • Agree - I don't see how their is any debate about this. Off the island Sun is the main character in each scene, and on the island excpet for Locke in the Donkey Wheel Chamber it's all about Jin. --   Dee4leeds  talk  contribs  all  14:04, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Episode 1&5[]

I think there should stand "Various" at episode 5 like episode 1 in ()  Rasmus Ni  Talk  Contributions  17:04, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

The consensus reached at the episode's Talk page is that it is Sun and Jin. Michael Lucero * Talk * Contributions
I changed it to "Various" for now from "N/A" to keep it similar to 5x01. With the format of the show having no true flashbacks or flashforwards this season, it's getting harder to pinpoint centricity. In "The Little Prince" I think an argument can be made for both Kate and Aaron, and this week in "This Place Is Death" you could say Sun & Jin, or Danielle & crew.    Jabberwock    talk    contribs    email   - 18:21, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

There's a huge difference between "various" and "none", imo. Various is for episodes like "Exodus, Part 1" and "There's No Place Like Home, Part 1" where the flashes follow multiple characters (specifically, more than two, because if there's exactly two characters it's easy to do something like Kate/Charlie, Michael/Walt, Jin/Sun). None means that no character was featured in any flash, which is the case with "Because You Left" and {ep|{5x05}}.  Jimbo the Tubby  talk  contributions  21:12, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm glad we changed it from "N/A" but I really don't think "Various" is correct either. This isn't like "Because You Left" where no one or two characters were more prominent than any others. Jin and Sun are clearly more centric to this episode than other characters. The consensus among Lostpedia users (both here and on the episode talk page) is that it should be changed to Jin & Sun, so that's what should be done. -- COMPOSSIBLE  Talk  Contribs  00:03, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

I agree, it should be Sun and Jin or just Jin. Danielle and crew were featured only breifly at the beginning of the episode, they weren't centric. See talk page for the discussion: Talk:This Place is Death.--Baker1000 00:45, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

This is getting ridiculous. All but a few people have agreed that it's Sun and Jin. "Various" is when it's centric to more than two people, like Exodus or Because You Left. ALL previous Sun & Jin episodes are listed as "Sun & Jin", so saying "various" makes no sense. I can't see how anyone could watch the episode and not know that it's focused on Sun & Jin. On Island, it clearly focuses on Jin (barring the scenes with Daniel/Charlotte and Locke/Christian)-so much so that we don't see any other Left Behinders besides Jin until he runs into them almost halfway in.Off Island, well, the entire plot is about Sun-it retells the end of The Little Prince from her perspective, the car scenes focus on her, in fact only the ending scene isn't focused entirely on her and even then she's in it. There is absolutely no reason at all to claim it's anything but Jin & Sun centric, and to do so is silly. --Golden Monkey 16:37, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

This is the only episode not to have a flashback or flashforward this season (or ever?). I think it's fine to label this one by centricity, but I think for all other episodes that do have a flash, it should be labeled by the flash and not by some arbitrary ideas about centricity. Concrete is better! --Jackdavinci 16:47, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

OK I take it back. Several people have pointed out that the beginning of the episode actually takes place before the end of the previous episode, and so is a Sun flashback. --Jackdavinci 17:57, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
I was really anticipating a flashback to a scene on the Searcher with Sun! I guess Lost isn't that predictable.--Baker1000 20:03, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
  • It is a Jin & Sun centric, end of story. - TheAma1 23:36, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
  • Unsure: I don't think we can confidently say this is Sun and Jin centric, by any means. Sure, Jin and Sun were in it a lot, but the episode did not revolve around them. Danielle's crew (with Jin included) were the main focus of the first part of the episode. Sun appeared in the episode just as much as Jack and Ben did, do I don't think we can consider this a "Sun-centric" episode. Locke also had some pretty prominent moments in this episode (with the well and inside the Orchid) but we don't consider this a Locke-centric. It's safer to say there is no centric (or "Various") instead of Sun and Jin. As of now, I think we should say "Various", because considering this a Sun and Jin centric is bordering on speculation. -- CTS  Talk   Contribs 00:15, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
    • Fair enough, but I still think we should go by what the consensus is, and that's clearly Jin & Sun. If the majority of people felt that it was "Various," I'd support that no matter how much I felt otherwise. But it's clear on this page and the episode talk page that most people think it should be Jin & Sun. It should be changed. -- COMPOSSIBLE  Talk  Contribs  04:11, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Next episode titles[]

There is an ongoing discussion about the titles displayed in this template over at LP:SP --CharlieReborn 19:46, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

N/A[]

On the parenthesis for "316", it should read "Various" instead of "N/A." Or perhaps Jack, since the episode was mainly from his perspective. -- Sam McPherson  T  C  E  03:38, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

316 is Jack-Centric[]

"316" should be fairly uncontroversially Jack-centric. It start out with a flashforward from his perspective, and even has the eye-thing.  Jimbo the Tubby  talk  contributions  03:39, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

As I said above, I agree. -- Sam McPherson  T  C  E  03:43, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
Agree: It was centric to him just like other episodes have been centric this season. Even if you don't buy that it was a flashback/flashforward from his perspective, he was clearly the central character in this episode. -- COMPOSSIBLE  Talk  Contribs  03:44, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
Yes, Strong Agree: there's no denying it. -- CTS  Talk   Contribs 04:25, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Bentham is Locke-centric[]

Obvious. -- Xbenlinusx 03:09, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Season/episode categories[]

I was wondering if a sysop could remove the includeonly category tags. I want to implement this on the episode infobox template, using the season_num and ep_num, so that the category would be organized by season and episode order rather than alphabetically. This would have to happen on the other season navs, too. Thanks! --Pyramidhead 23:57, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

LaFleur is Sawyer centric[]

Right? It's his name after all. --Butseriouslyfolks 03:09, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes it is for sure Sawyer-centric. -- CTS  Talk   Contribs 03:10, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Change Various to None=[]

Could somebody please change the "Various" on "Because You Left" and "Namaste" to "None" or just nothing at all? --Pyramidhead 06:58, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

  • I agree. Thanks to whoever changed 5x09 to "None", but 5x01 should follow the same rule. Tranquility 20:47, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
    • Isn't 5x01 technically Daniel/Pierre Chang/Oceanic 6 centric ? I agree with none for 5x09, but in my opinion, 5x01 should stay various. (Or whatever, I just think none is not the best way to go here.) --LeoChris 22:13, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
      • I think both of them should be "Various". Michael Lucero * Talk * Contributions
        • There's an ongoing discussion on the "Namaste" talk page about centricity for that episode. I don't think we should just settle on "none" for that one. --kristbg 17:16, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
  • Agree with none for both.  Jimbo the Tubby  talk  contributions  17:48, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
  • NONE I agree same reason as 5x09 no real centricity. Maybee people need to learn what various means, it would mean there is more than one character featured with centricity while i believe it is daniel it is at most him and no one else. --Czygan84 21:17, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

For once I think we can avoid the debate[]

"He's Our You" is Sayid-centric.  Jimbo the Tubby  talk  contributions  02:06, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

We have also already been told the centricity of "Whatever Happened, Happened" in the recent podcast.  Robert K S   tell me  18:26, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Centricities for future episodes are also hinted at by press releases, usually the character mentioned in the description is the centric one. --Orhan94 18:31, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Indeed. This is not a rule, though ("This Place Is Death" and "316" are exceptions). --kristbg 19:08, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

New clip show[]

Could someone please add "Lost: The Story of the Oceanic 6" between episodes 13 and 14? It'll take some reorganising of the columns.--Baker1000 16:19, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Episodes 13 & 14...[]

...have been confirmed to be "Some Like It Hoth" and "The Variable" respectively at ABC MediaNet. Somestrangeflea 12:03, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

We don't add episode names on the site until they are the next to receive their premiere broadcast. Please see LP:SP#Immediately_upcoming_episode_names. I'll have to cover the names you just posted.--Baker1000 12:13, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Consistency, please?[]

Can we please have a little bit of consistency here? To my mind there is little or no logic behind the fact that "Because You Left" and "Namaste" are listed as having Various and None for centricity, respectively. We should pick one. Either both should be listed as Various, or both should be listed as None. Michael Lucero * Talk * Contributions

There seems to be a general agreement that None should be present for both episodes. I think it should be changed by now. Anyone who has the authority to do this, will you please go ahead and do it? Thanks. Michael Lucero * Talk * Contributions
Do we really need centricity? The navigation used to refer to who the flashback or flashforward was about. Let's stick to that. There's been a flash in every episode so far, so there's no need to change course now. The flash in #1 centered on Daniel and the flashback in #9 centered on the 316. --Jackdavinci 06:55, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
What do you mean, "Do we need centricity"? If you mean we should take that attribute off of all the navigation templates, which is what your question seems to imply, I say vehemently No. But if you mean we should just arbitrarily assign it, I say equally No. Everything on the nav template is fine except "Because You Left" and "Namaste". Neither episode should be given away arbitrarily. If there is no focus, it should simply be labeled None. Michael Lucero * Talk * Contributions
I mean, do we really need "centricity" on the navigation when in previous seasons the nav was for "flashback character" instead of the more arbitrary "general episode focus" and there hasn't stopped being flashbacks. I say we keep the nav limited to flashes which is what it was originally intended for. --Jackdavinci 10:18, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
Disagree. It was originally intended for that because that's how the show was originally structured. That's no longer the case. It would be folly for the show to have changed, and us not to adapt with it. So what do you propose? Either we get rid of the characters' names altogether, or change "Centricity" to "Flashes" (as some episodes have flashbacks and others flashforwards). Still, there's no consistency because the fact that an episode contains a flashback is not the significant thing being marked in these navigations. What's being marked is which character the episode focused on. That's the real significance of these parenthetical names. Michael Lucero * Talk * Contributions
  • The difference between "Because You Left" and "Namaste" is that the first actually has a flashback. However, since the episode focuses on a wide variety of characters, this flash is instead made only various, as opposed to none, because a flash did indeed occur. -- Sam McPherson  T  C  E  13:41, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
  • Disagree. As above, the parenthetical names are provided only because they refer to the focus of each episode. The fact of the flashback or -forward itself is only a device the purpose of which is to focus on a specific character(s). This is proven by the fact that while the flashes have in places become miniscule or arbitrary, character focus still exists (with the exception of the two episodes in question). Michael Lucero * Talk * Contributions

Consistency is not called for here. "Various" and "None" have different meanings and each are appropriate as assigned.  Robert K S   tell me  06:22, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

  • So what two Sysop opinions overule the majority opinions, because thats what it looks like. They should both be none. -- B1G CZYGS  Talk  Contribs  01:58, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Episodes 16/17[]

Okay, so I know the Lostpedia spoiler policy forbids us from putting the title on the nav, right now, but since the finales are apparently considered two episodes, can't we remove "Episode 17" even if it's just for consistency sake? --Crash815 Talk 19:26, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

I was thinking we could link the two final Season 5 episodes to the same page: "The Incident, Parts 1 & 2". --Skywalker80 18:56, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

5x15[]

If we're going to list "Follow the Leader" as "none" instead of Richard, then we also need to list "This Place Is Death" the same way. Neither episode featured any flashes, and the only arguments for centricity were plot focus. And really, "Follow the Leader" focused on Richard way more than "This Place Is Death" focused on Jin and Sun (which, imo, was barely at all... they just happened to be in scenes that weren't focused on them (ie: Danielle, returning to the Island).  Jimbo the Tubby  talk  contributions  18:34, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

  • I thought it had been decided that "Follow the Leader" would be listed as Richard-centric. When was it changed?-- Steele  talk  contribs  19:49, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
  • As of right now the tally 33 Richard 23 None/Various (here)so yeah it should be changed as of now because 33-23 is a pretty big gap showing a clear consensus as of now. Great comment up top by the way i too looked at this episode life 5x05 where coming out of both i felt the same way. -- B1G CZYGS  Talk  Contribs  01:54, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
  • Where is this mythical focus on Richard? I didn't get that sense at all. Were there any Richard extreme close-ups? Were Richard's emotions or troubles given any heed to? Did we learn any of Richard's backstory? Did Richard take any decisive role in the plot? Richard was, throughout the show, doing like the title said, and merely following the leader.  Robert K S   tell me  03:12, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
    • Agreed, but the exact same arguments apply for "This Place Is Death" you can't have it both ways.  Jimbo the Tubby  talk  contributions  03:13, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
      • Not true. 505 focused on them not in terms of camera time, but in terms of character focus. One of the big themes of that episode was Jin's decision to make Locke promise not to get Sun to ever come back. That was a big decision for him. Likewise, in the present, we see Sun's decision to trust Ben if it means seeing Jin again. Big character focus, regardless of camera time. That's what makes 505 a Jin/Sun episode. However, in 515, while Richard gets some good camera time, there's hardly any character focus on him. He's very passive in this episode. That's the difference. 505 should remain Jin/Sun, but 515 is definitely None. 501 should also be None as well. Michael Lucero * Talk * Contributions

Another look at Jeremy Bentham centric[]

I think The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham should be listed as a Locke/Jacob's enemy centric episode, given the new light shed by the finale.Pkpkpk 19:54, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

  • No The flashbacks were the center of the episode and they featured Locke/Bentham. --Orhan94 20:26, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Because You Left centricity[]

I swear I read somewhere that on the season 5 bonus dvds special features, a note on a board in thw riters room (or someting) lists Because You Left as Jack & Locke centric. --CooperSimply 17:37, February 7, 2010 (UTC)

It's here--Baker1000 18:32, February 7, 2010 (UTC)

Missing Pieces[]

A link to Missing Pieces needs to be added at the top between S3 & S4 Rachel P 01:03, December 12, 2010 (UTC)

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