Talk: Shadow (Final Fantasy VI)

Mama --> Best friend[]

		Hecko Xtalk - blog - anime rants 16:30, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
		The point is, that the messages send two completely different messages about Shadow as a person. The original that he would kill anyone for any price, the new that he'd kill anyone if the price is high enough. The original insinuate that he is a bloodbath-loving killing machine that cares for nothing including money, while the second insinuate that he is a mercinary (which we all know that he is), who will take any job, regardless of target, as long as it pays enough. So it bumps him up from "Killing for the sake of fun" to "Killing for the sake of money and making a living". So since the two messages are so different, the change should be made noteworthy. P.S Additionally, it was one of the most famous (if not the most famous) quotes about Shadow from the SNES version of FFVI. That it was changed, regardless of message would in it self be noteworthy, if not there, then in the Trivia section.

		Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 16:49, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
		Trivia section is fine.

Oath to Order's award[]

Oath to Order's very (un)official Ninja award

Oath to Order hereby provides this award too a true Ninja.

Oath to Order 05:37, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Clyde[]

		Dazuro - Professor to Kitchen: The Joan Rivers Story TALK - {{{time}}}
		Can we get an image of him as Clyde for the article somewhere? I'm not 100% sure it was him, but I just saw a flashback showing who I believe to be Clyde, so it seems he has a sprite... too late to rip it even if it was him, though, so I turn to others for help.

		Xepscern - It's Morphin Time!! TALK - {{{time}}}
		You should put, along with the rumor that he's Clyde, and possibly Relm's father, it in the trivia section.

Did Shadow really die?[]

Aramis "Adios cowboy": TALK - Is killing a man really murder? Can shadow be used in the bonus dungeon of the game boy advance? Or is he dead for good?

Aramis "Adios cowboy": TALK - Is killing a man really murder? I mean, he is supposed to suicide at the ending, however, in the GBA remake, you can still play after the ending. Is shadow usable in the dragon den?

		Dazuro - Professor to Kitchen: The Joan Rivers Story TALK - {{{time}}}
		Uh, you can't play after the ending. You keep anything you stole from Kefka, but the plot and events of the final battle get reset when you load your file again.

Aramis "Adios cowboy": TALK - Is killing a man really murder? Ooohhh, I get it... So shadow really dies at the end

Not really, apparently, 5 seconds before the blastoff you can see Shadow get in the Falcon. Besides, an invincible badass like him dont die in places like this. He probably wanders off like he always does. Leon5550

Aramis "Adios cowboy": TALK - Is killing a man really murder? Badass die when they choose to, that seemed like a perfect moment.

@Leon5550, that's BS. I've beat this game numerous times and Shadow NEVER gets on the airship... besides that would ruin the whole point of him 'staying behind.' Crims0nf0rtune

Job class change[]

Is mentioning that he seems to have changed his class really worth mentioning? Faethin^{verba volant} 19:08, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Obtained 1 Plothole[]

		JudgeMasterKefka - "Warning: Cigarettes can kill... so can paper clips." TALK - 03:59, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
		yay a plothole:If he stole one million gil then why the hell is he a mercenary?

~~HerrQuixota~~ I don't think that operation was successful. Baram died and Shadow became a fugitive. He probably wears the mask to avoid being caught by the Empire, recognized by someone from Thamasa, or recognized by Locke to be his long lost brother/friend that was imprisoned by the empire. Or maybe Baram was Locke's brother/friend.

Locke is the only character in the entire game to even mention that Shadow is Shrouded or to even ask if he was "Going somewhere?" after the BURNING HOUSE incident. He also mentioned at the Returners Hideout, that the Empire imprisoned one of his "friends". This is obviously not reffering to Rachel, who supposedly died, but is actually in suspended animation (pun not intended).

Also, I think Locke was born on a farm. Remember that part where they are at Owzers house, and the Maestro asks "were you born on a farm".

Saethori (T / C) — 03:09, September 23, 2009 (UTC) Believe in the future, and persist in the present, that's what I'll do! "Were you born on a farm?" is widely known as a remark to refer to the subject's lack of civilized manners, hinting that the subject was born in a location where such manners would be neither taught nor needed. I'm quite confident that it does not have any bearing as to Locke Cole's actual birthplace.

Shadow in Dissidia?[]

Why is Shadow metioned as being in Dissidia when he isn't listed with the other character cameos on the Dissidia characters page?

Also I can't find him on Dissidia

I'm pretty sure he's in the same section as Setzer (however I may be mistaken). Moocowisi 04:04, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

DNC[]

So Shadow can be fought in the DNC, right? Does he have stats?  ILHI 22:18, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

Ooooh, that's a tough one. As I recall, when Shadow is fought he's unarmed and dies in one hit. I also don't recall seeing him in the bestiary. So he probably does have stats, but unless someone hacks to find out it's hard to know for sure. Drake Clawfang 22:30, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

Well, we have a page for Rydia's scripted fight at the beginning of FFIV, why not for Shadow? ---- TenzaZangetsu 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Shadow's stats when you fight him in the colosseum are just his regular stats when you re-recruit him. He has the same HP, level, attack power, equipment, etc. Incidentally, the same is true for Kefka. When you fight him in the Imperial Camp and at the Cave to the Sealed Gate, he has the same stats he would have if you were to recruit him at that point. This rule also holds true for Gau when you encounter him on the Veldt. espritduo 21:24, January 28, 2012 (UTC)

Arrowny[]

While normally removing the Arrowny from Clyde yields an instant revert, the anon what did it this time brings up a good point - is Clyde ever actually referred to as Clyde Arrowny anywhere, such as an Ultimania? --Adonzo 07:53, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Clyde's Relations and Evidence thereof[]

I was the guy that removed Arrowny as Clyde's last name.

No one in their right mind would dispute that Shadow is Clyde and Clyde is Relm's Father if they actually played the game. However, for intellectual honesty I think it's necessary that keep his family name blank.

For intellectual entertainment, I've seen some circumstantial evidence that points towards Locke being Relm's Uncle or an old acquaintance with Clyde.

"A friend of mine was jailed by the Empire. I've hated them ever since" - Locke -> Terra at the Returner Hideout

Locke is certainly not referring to Rachel. The only candidates are Clyde and less likely Baram/Kefka who deserved to goto jail for their train heist of $1,000,000.

Other evidence looks like this.

Locke refers to his Grandmother or the stories she told him at least three times in the game: "My Grandma used to tell me stories about magical machines..." & "But my grandma told me that Espers and people once lived side by side! Was that just a fairy tale?" - before Battle of the Narshe Fields & while at the underground city: (Narration) "A thousnad years in the past, a battle was waged here..." & (Narration) "A city, ruined during the War of the Magi..." --- The Narration is always done by Locke if he is present in the party.

Conclusion:

It is likely the case that Locke was raised by his Grandmother and was himself a bastardized orphan. This is very similar to Relm, who raised by her alleged Grandfather after she was orphaned.

Now it is in large consensus that Clyde(Shadow) had the habit of abandoning his family & friends. What I am saying, is that his habit of abandonment isn't a new habit. I am saying that Shadow had abandoned Locke, Baram, and Relm in their desperate circumstances.

Because of all these allusions to fraternity, and the relationship between every other other character in the game, I am thereby inclined to assume that the story developers left a lot of plot holes to be filled.

Go read the transcript of the game while attempting to find relationships between the characters. :)

http://www.psy-q.ch/mirrors/thegia/sites/www.thegia.com/snes/ff6/info/ff6script.txt

After doing some etymology(origins) research, I studied the basic meaning of the character names which are covered in ():

Terra(Earth) - Celes(Heaven) - Greek origins

Gau(Shire) - Relm or Realm(Reich) - German origins (on a unprofessional note: Gau means Penis in Cantonese.)

Locke(Forest) - Clyde(River) - Gaelic and Old English origins

Sabin(from the Sabines) Rene(Reborn) - Edgar(wealthy spear) Roni(strong counsel/true image) - French and Old English origins

Conclusion from this:

Analysis of Word Etymology highly suggests that there was a purposeful name match intended to deepen character relationships. This likely occur during the pre-development stage for at least 6 of the characters.

After playing the game and studying the story = Primary Virtues and Vices of Characters

Name - Virtue - Vice

Locke - Redemption - Dependence/Attached(to his past) (cares for reputation - don't call him a thief)

Shadow - Independence/Detached(from his past) - Condemnation (doesn't care for reputation - call him murderer)

Edgar - Responsibility - A ladies man (lecherous)

Sabin - Liberty - A man's man (brutish)

Celes - Prideful - Stubborn

Terra - Humble - Naive

Conclusion?

Additional evidence upon analysis which leads me to further accept the previous above conclusions

Ultimate Conclusion:

That Shadow and his similarities yet polarized life philosophy in all its complexities in respect to Locke constitutes a proposed story-line between him and Locke that was never fully injected into the game.

--HerrQuixota 21:51, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

I thought that the narration was done by Strago.187.61.157.50 18:32, September 1, 2012 (UTC)

That's not really any direct evidence, its all speculatory. The line from Locke is changed in the GBA release to "The Empire stole someone important from me." which obviously means Rachel. And from there the rest falls apart. Not trying to be mean, but for such a long post I don't understand the point you're trying to make. Doreiku Kuroofangu 21:57, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

That's why it's on the Discussion page. And I personally think the GBA version deviated from the Original FF-III. I never claimed any of this as factual. Merely my educated opinion. --HerrQuixota 22:04, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

Actually the GBA translation was more faithful to the original Japanese script. Most of the remakes are. Doreiku Kuroofangu 22:06, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

		Adonzo - I don't claim to have a degree in doctorology TALK - 22:18, April 18, 2010 (UTC)
		I also am not sure what you're getting at, considering I thought you were just bringing up the Clyde "Arrowny" argument, which does still need to be resolved. His daughter's last name being Arrowny does not mean that his own last name is Arrowny. While there could be multiple reasons for this, there are a few examples of it happening right here on the wiki, such as Fury Caraway and Rinoa Heartilly.

Though it's an interesting idea, I don't think Locke could have known Clyde, at least not very well. Lock is 25 years old. Relm is 10 years old. Thus, taking in the nine months for conception, Clyde would have met RElm's mother at least around 11 years ago, if not longer. Lock would have only been fourteen when Baram died, providing Clyde met Relm's mother and she conceived Relm very shortly after Baram's death, and Clyde and Baram were both grown men, thus it'd be impossible for Locke to have really been friends with them. AxelFive (talk) 04:02, December 23, 2013 (UTC)

Someone needs to adjust the FFVI char. template.[]

Someone needs to change it so that "A.K.A. Clyde" will show up. Madara uchiha99 ^(talk) 00:54, April 28, 2010 (UTC)

We need proof of that before adding it. I don't remember him ever being called Clyde (but then again, I haven't played it for a year...) Moocowisi 00:57, April 28, 2010 (UTC)

We don't need to add an "AKA" box in the FF6 templates. Shadow is the only playable character to use an alias, so there's no need for a field. Doreiku Kuroofangu 01:15, April 28, 2010 (UTC)

Changed identity again?[]

In the GBA ending, Shadow says "Baram! I'm going to stop running. I'm going to begin all over again" so is it possible that he faked his own death and changed his identity again? SanghelliS-104 10:42, May 27, 2010 (UTC)

Who knows. "Stop running" seems contrary to the idea of hiding your identity. Moreover, that sentence was put there very likely because some believed he was Baram and not Clyde.

Trivia[]

If the party chose to save Shadow on the Floating Continent, in the World of Ruin when he is found in the Cave on the Veldt, instead of Relm, he will be called a she due to a glitch.

^ Taken from the Trivia section. This definitely wasn't the case in the GBA version, so should it be noted that it was in another version, and does anyone know which? Tia-Lewise 21:48, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

I don't remember it in the PS version either. I can't confirm that, but I don't recall. To the YouTubes!!

But yes, if something is version specific/not in a specific version then it should be stated. JBed 21:55, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

SNES

"We can't do anything for her here."

"Let's take her back to Thamasa using the airship."

PS

"We can't do anything for him here."

"Let's take him back to Thamasa using the airship."

GBA

"We can't do anything for wounds like these here..."

"Let's fly back to Thamasa on the double."

JBed 22:07, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

Boiled Eggs?[]

It says in his box that he "Loves Boiled Eggs". Is that true? It just seems totally and utterly random. Tidus357 04:03, May 8, 2012 (UTC)

Yep. Every character has a "Likes/Dislikes" blurb under their profile in the official Japanese strategy guides. Most of these are rather humorous and tend not to connect with the character in any obvious way, although some make sense, and some are actually referenced either in the game elsewhere. For example, Terra's bio says she loves fluffing moogles, which was played up pretty heavily in Dissidia. Kefka's bio says he dislikes General Leo, which makes sense. Relm likes pancakes, Cyan dislikes machines, etc. They're hit or miss as to their randomness. Espritduo 11:55, May 12, 2012 (UTC)

30s[]

The Japanese guides (including Memorial Ultimania) list his age as 不明（３０代後半）. Preeeety sure that means late thirties. JBed (talk) 20:53, January 11, 2019 (UTC)

We can probably list the difference in Creation and development then. But in the archive it's listed as "Unknown (under 30)". Though it might be a mistake.-- Technobliterator ^T_C 20:59, January 11, 2019 (UTC)

Right, the Ultimania Archive is just a translation of the Memorial Ultimania[1]. JBed (talk) 21:20, January 11, 2019 (UTC)

It is a mistake then, checked and that definitely translates to late thirties. That said, this is still an official English source that we can use until contradicted, and it's not easy to tell if a translation error is just a regional difference or not, unlike Kefka where the errors in the Ultimania Archive are just obviously wrong and there was a clear mistake. Therefore, for now I think the best thing is to list on "Creation and development" that the Japanese sources lists it as late thirties while the only official English source we have now says under 30, and if an English source contradicts it later, we can just change it.-- Technobliterator ^T_C 23:14, January 11, 2019 (UTC)

Eh... I wouldn't give translations of supplementary material the same license to invent contradicting information that we would for the actual games themselves (like Bravely Default). It's actually a little weird we bother even listing in the infobox the botched imperial height conversions from the NA PS1 manuals when we know those heights weren't intended by anyone. JBed (talk) 04:40, January 12, 2019 (UTC)