Talk: Fayth

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I think this article should be split to accomodate the differences (some, irreconcilable, IMHO; read below) between FFX and FFX-2.

Also, the last Aeon/Fayth made was Jecht and that was 10 years ago. His fayth statue is nowhere to be seen (***somewhat*** understandable, given he is a product of the Fayths' dreaming of Zanarkand [and would therefore lack a body, something which is partially seen in all Aeons' statues and at the Wall in Gagazet and thus might be taken into account]), nor any of the previous Final Aeons after Zaon. Understandable since perhaps we are not meant to see them, and at the same time not-understandable since Zaon's Fayth Statue was enshrined underneath Zanarkand Dome.

Furthermore, if Zanarkand's guardian says that Lord Zaon's statue lost its power long ago, Zaon was not supposed to be around anymore (i.e. he truly, truly, truly "died"). Thus, his appearance in X-2 is not something the original crew had in my mind for FFX, as well as Yunalesca (whose defeat at Zanarkand Dome is supposed to be as definite as Mika's desire to not witness the "inevitable destruction" and as Seymour's final sending at the hands of Yuna (undisturbed and thus successful) inside Sin.

Lady Yunalesca is not the only one who can create Fayth; she **IS** the only one who can create the FINAL AEON. No, it's not mentioned how Fayth are created; but it's also not mentioned that Yunalesca is the only one to create ALL the Fayth, therefore she cannot take all the credit. And there's a difference in there, since there's a reason why all the Fayth in the Temples have never stopped dreaming (which leads to Bahamut's asking Tidus to put them to sleep, AKA final battle): they lack that special property which is capable of "piercing that armor" (Sin).

Obviously, you know how to edit pages. Obviously, you know what you're talking about. So go fix it. I would do it if I knew what I was talking about (I'm still working on FFX), but I don't. Armond 17:33, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

1. All Fayths are being kept somewhere by Lady Yunalesca (how else would Seymour be able to move it, years after his mother became the fayth of Anima?). But since they have no importance for the storyline, they are simply not seen.
2. A body is not necessary, only a soul is (and Jecht has both, due to how he was transported to Spira)
3. Lord Zaon's Fayth losing it's power means he cannot bestow his Aeon to a summoner anymore. It has nothing to do with "being around".
4. The Yunalesca seen in FFX-2 seems to be a copy, not the same Yunalesca as seen in FFX
5. All Fayths created after the time of Yunalesca's death are made by her (they were all Final Aeons). All Fayth created by her had the power to pierce the armor called Sin (because they were Final Aeons). If the Fayth of Bahamut was created after the time of Yunalesca's death (we do not know, but seing that his temple was built after her death, let's assume that this is the case), meaning it was created by her, then he too was once a Final Aeon. And unless you fully understand how the "special property" works, you will have no idea of why this statement is true. --Hecko X 21:44, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

I would rather not start editing the article until I get things right; wouldn't want an edit war here.

But #3 is wrong; well, it goes against the game script. "Lord Zaon ... his soul is gone." If the Fayth is just a stone with a soul inside, no soul means empty statue, right? So that does relate with him being around; if it doesn't then how does Jecht winds up in the Farplane? My point here is that if Zaon was really supposed to be around, he'd be with Yunalesca (weren't they so close he gave his life for her to become Final Aeon? Then he's freed when someone else becomes Sin and he never returns to her, even if both are unsent?).

And #5, well ... I'd say it would be going against the script, but I would be too literally-interpretating that. Yes, I get why all Aeons might be Final Aeons in their own small world but then I ask you: why are they all still around? Isn't the whole point of the Final Aeon to be used against Sin? "Seymour's case was one, out of how many?" is what I think you're trying to say but ... that would go against the whole story arc about Summoners; about their drive to rid Spira of Sin and what it takes to get the Final Aeon.

"Oh hey. I'm a summoner. I got the Final Aeon, but I don't want to beat Sin. Thank you for your sacrifice, dear friend, but I guess I'll just call it quits." ... Sorry but that's hard to swallow and I can't find anything in the game to support it.

(EoF)

#3 Again, gone can also mean "cannot be found". Lord Zaon seems to have become an unsent after being defeated as Sin. Read his article.

#5.1 Not "might be", but "were". In the world of Spira, the role of Lady Yunalesca is that of creating the Fayth for the Final Aeon, that you have also said yourself. Hence, logic dictates that any Fayth created by her, will have been a Final Aeon. Again, if you do not understand what makes a Final Aeon able to penetrate the armor called Sin, you won't get why this is true. Do you know what makes a Final Aeon a "Final Aeon"?

#5.2 Why shouldn't they be around? In essence, they are people who sacrificed themselves in order to make Spira a safer place to live. Do you expect them to go: "Okay, we beat Sin, I guess it's time for me to split, since I have nothing else to do"? Besides, Lady Yunalesca seemed to have plans with them in regard to having the name of her father worshiped.

#5.3 Read Seymours article, as well as Animas and the one on Baaj Temple. If you don't see why, ask again. And just in case you didn't notice, Seymour is just a weeeeee bit psychotic. Don't count on him thinking too rationally.

--Hecko X 06:16, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

I hope it is okay I added something on to this part of the article: "Several Aeonic forms have different names (for example Grothia, the name for Isaaru's summon that looks like Ifrit), implying that they are identical in appearance but separate in nature from the other Aeons of similar form. What is unknown is whether these identical Aeons have their origins in the same Fayth, or with different Fayths." I said that it was probably just Isaaru renaming his Aeons, which seems the most likely thing to me considering you can name your Aeons, so why can't other Summoners? Plus, I doubt two different Fayth would make an Aeon that looked the same as the other. Chocobo Knight 17:33, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

This makes sense. Think carefully. Have you, EVER, seen two identical aeons summoned at the same time. If you fought summoner training, this is a little more obvious, you can't summon the same one as her. Their powers and such like (including name) are affected by the summoner, but in my opinion they are still the same aeon. Jenerix525 19:22, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Pictures of the Fayth's human forms[]

Do you think we could get some screen shots of the sceens whare Tidus would talk to the fayths? Like in this sceen right here.
Ixbran 02:11, June 8, 2011 (UTC)