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Jeg kan se, at du er begyndt at tilføje grønlandske ord. Det er helt fantastisk – det har været en virkelig stor mangel hidtil. Ville bare lige sige tak og give udtryk for min påskønnelse – godt gået! :) —Pinnerup (talk) 22:11, 3 January 2020 (UTC)Reply

@Pinnerup Jeg er glad for, du påskønner det. Jeg gav mig i kast med grønlandsk netop fordi jeg syntes der var en alvorlig mangel. At jeg ikke har tilføjet nye ord i noget tid er mest fordi hver artikel tog lang tid at skrive, fordi jeg er forsigtig med ikke at lave fejl som ikke ville blive rettet rettidigt. Har du lyst til at hjælpe lidt til? Grammatikken er selvfølgelig lidt anderledes, men det er jo lettere at analysere end at generere sætninger.__Gamren (talk) 15:53, 4 January 2020 (UTC)Reply

Hi, there. I came across a problem today when creating the Danish entry for automobil. I noticed that DDO's entry states that it can be of either common or neuter gender, but I don't know how to show that in any of our templates. Right now I only listed it as "common gender." I feel like there's either something I should know that I'm overlooking (since I just started on Danish again after a few years), or the template may need work. Thanks! I hope everything has been going well for you in Denmark during these troubling times. PseudoSkull (talk) 23:07, 31 August 2020 (UTC)Reply

Google Books would suggest that this is not a common phrase and maybe not idiomatic either. ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 19:09, 18 October 2020 (UTC)Reply

@Lingo Bingo Dingo He's usually called Rudolf med den røde tud (Rudolf with the red nose), as in the popular song "Kender I den om Rudolf?". I'm inclined to say this has transcended any specific piece of fiction.__Gamren (talk) 19:25, 18 October 2020 (UTC)Reply

Okay, then it might be useful to link to the more usual synonym. Rudolf med den røde tud is in the translation table at Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer. (And for something else, what does bramsejl in splitte mine bramsejl mean?) ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 09:35, 21 October 2020 (UTC)Reply

Knock yourself out. As for bramsejl, I can repeat what others say. DDO: "a rectangular or trapezoidal sail whose upper edge is affixed to a horizontal beam, located above the mærssejl. Often divided into two." Wikipedia has an image, and is linked to English topgallant sail. The latter also claims the phrase comes from captain Haddock from Tintin, but I don't think that's true. From this wiki, it seems Tintin was first translated into Danish in the 50s, but I found a different source from 1938.__Gamren (talk) 01:27, 22 October 2020 (UTC)Reply

Hi there, I'm back to wiktionary after a long absence. I used to contribute a lot to Greenlandic entries and am now going through various things I was working on when I left. I recently updated the suffix list. It was moved a while ago from an "affix list" to a "suffix list", and it seems to be a consensus now that affix entries should be renamed to suffixes (Wikipedia defines the language as exclusively suffixing), and moved to the //Category:Greenlandic_suffixes//. I have already moved some over, and redirected some from non-hyphenated to hyphenated entries, such as taq --> -taq. I realised in changing the POS, because I only know of the head|kl|suffix code, that it has removed extra information. I had no intention to remove any of your hard work, so I really apologise for that. So, for instance, compare this change, where changing it to a suffix means it has lost the information about truncation. I've only made a handful of these changes so it shouldn't be too difficult to rectify, but honestly I don't know the ins and outs of Wiktionary enough yet to figure out how to keep your truncation information while correctly defining them as "suffixes". If you have any advice on how to go from here I'd really appreciate it! Also, I notice on a few of your Greenlandic entries you use the umlauted /ï/ - what does this represent? As far as I'm aware this isn't accepted orthography for Greenlandic (the Language Secretariat Oqaaliseriffik don't use it for example, and I've never seen it in any Greenlandic text)...is it meant to be a long /ii/ sound, or rounded i (/e/) before q and r? Either way, I feel like we shouldn't use the umlauted /ï/ unless you can convince me otherwise! Sorry for bombarding you - I just want to make everything uniform and rectify any mistakes I can. —Jakeybean^TALK 13:51, 2 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

Hello @Jakeybean, and I'm glad at the prospect of our Greenlandic lexicon beginning to grow again! I don't disagree with moving from affix -> suffix; they definitely are suffixes, even if most of the literature doesn't use that word. The fix is simple; I've moved {{kl-affix}} to {{kl-suffix}}, and left the former as a redirect, which means you don't need to fix them (but feel free to).
As for the ï, I explained this at WT:AKL. It represents a historical vowel which realizes as /Ø, a, i/ depending on context. Oqaaliseriffik represents this as <e> (such that my -niutï becomes their NIUTE), but this is in conflict with our choice of using <e> for [e] (Oqaaliseriffik uses < i > for /i/ ~ [i, e], which means that our -neq becomes NIQ -- likewise, they use < u > for /u/, so our -toq becomes TUQ). There is a discussion of this in Stig Bjørnum's Grønlandsk Grammatik, which uses i₂ to represent this -- which I felt would be annoying to type out. It is not restricted to suffixes; it also appears e.g. in the end of angut (that is, angutï), which is why angut + -siaq becomes angutisiaq, and also angut + -paat becomes angiterpaat (-paat is recessive).
Please write if there is more confusion!__Gamren (talk) 14:56, 2 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

That's great, thank you for doing that. I think I understand what you mean with the /ï/, it seems to be inconsistent even within the language experts. Not sure if you've seen the publication by Stian Lybech (2020), where he talks about it (p.34-35ish as well:

"Bjørnum (2003) and other Graphemists occasionally refer to the existence of an ‘i2’ although they do not explain what it is. As you may well have guessed, an ‘i2’ is really a schwa: To call it ‘i2’ seems at best an arbitrary choice, since it might just as well have been called ‘a2’. Worse still, they make no distinction in their notation between the true i’s and these mysterious i2’s. Neither does the DAKA dictionary, so a base like {aŋutə}N will be listed as angut with no indication whatsoever that the ‘t’ is followed by a silent vowel. In fact, every noun listed in the DAKA, that appears to end on a ‘t’ in singular is really a schwa-stem; that is, it ends in /tə/!" 

I'd be lying if I said I fully understood all the arguments for and against using /ï/, so I will leave it as it is for now. —Jakeybean^TALK 15:34, 2 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

@Jakeybean Hm, his criticism of DAKA seems misplaced -- it faithfully records orthography, which -- in the case of angut -- accurately reflects pronunciation. I don't think academia is its intended audience. This Lybech person suggests using <ə>, which, certainly, we could do -- but his definition of schwa is idiosyncratic, as it generally refers to a specific vowel. He makes it seem as if <ə> is the most natural choice, which I don't agree with. I fully admit that my choice of ï is completely arbitrary, and based mostly on ease of entry (I can type it on my keyboard without having to copy-paste from elsewhere).__Gamren (talk) 16:54, 2 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

I think I agree with you. I'm always sold on ease of entry, haha. —Jakeybean^TALK 17:48, 2 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

@Jakeybean Could I ask you to stop writing e.g. in front of all example sentences? It goes against the established format.__Gamren (talk) 22:55, 2 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

Yeah, no problem. I'll make sure to do that henceforth. Thanks for moving -qat, I knew after our discussion that some things would have to be moved or merged. To be honest I'm not exactly sure with /inoqataa/. The rather dated Den grønlandske ordbog from 1927 says /inoqat/ (fellow being), /inooqat/ or /inooqataa/ (he who lives with him; his contemporary). I'm trying to find where I got /inoqataa/ from but I have so many files/books/saved pages, I can't actually figure it out - maybe it was just the "inooqataa" with a typo, but I don't think so. It can definitely be deleted in the absence of clarity. —Jakeybean^TALK 23:32, 2 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

Well, inooqat neatly follows from the verb inuuvoq (“live, be alive”). To be on the safe side, I removed it.__Gamren (talk) 17:43, 3 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

Please read Wiktionary:Languages and follow the guidelines about exceptional language codes. DTLHS (talk) 22:13, 5 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

@DTLHS It says I'm supposed to name it after the closest family in ISO 639-5, which is esx (Eskaleut). However, at WT:List of families we have esx-inu (Inuit), which is more specific.__Gamren (talk) 22:31, 5 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

I think esx is fine. DTLHS (talk) 22:36, 5 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

I guess shorter codes are faster to write.__Gamren (talk) 22:39, 5 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

Hello Gamren. I just wanted to say that yes, I can see what is wrong with both of those terms. They're SOP, which is why they should have been deleted. Thank you for taking care of it while I was away! Razorflame 18:31, 11 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

@Razorflame Well, no, the issue is that compound nouns are written as one word. English is very unusual in allowing constructs like "coal mine" or "dinner table".__Gamren (talk) 19:42, 11 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

@Gamren Yeah, it's been a while since I've worked in Ido, so I definitely forgot about that. Hearing it now definitely makes sense. Anyways, I just wanted to thank you for your help while I was away :) Razorflame 16:40, 15 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

@Razorflame It was Esperanto, actually, but thanks!__Gamren (talk) 19:30, 15 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

I added a Danish word, forbund, after seeing the Norwegian Teqball Federation online. --Apisite (talk) 20:41, 22 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

@Apisite Um, okay? Do you want me to do something?__Gamren (talk) 21:54, 22 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

@Gamren: Thanks for adding the translation to the entry. --Apisite (talk) 22:10, 22 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

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Please forgive me, I want to explain, so I had a Nordic friend and they said these phrases are correct, now I am sorry if I misunderstood but they said they were used or maybe very rarely, anyways I just want to say I am sorry and next time I will focus on my native knowledge rather than what a friend or others said. Sniptopsail (talk) 18:03, 28 May 2024 (UTC)Reply