Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/April Carrión (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to RuPaul's Drag Race (season 6). Numerically, a close call, but considering the previous AfD, the amount of socking, and the fact that arguments for keeping failed to explain how this meets WP:N, I'm going to revert this back to the redirect from the last AfD. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:29, 9 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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And yet another non-notable performer outside the series. Zero in-depth coverage outside their involvement with the show. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 15:31, 1 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - and a recent AfD led to the creation of the redirect. Pretty pointless to have an editor insist they can override an AfD consensus. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 15:33, 1 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. Ceethekreator (talk) 15:41, 1 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Puerto Rico-related deletion discussions. Ceethekreator (talk) 15:41, 1 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep That consensus was too small to make a clear decision on - literally only 3 people voted. The amount of sources, the amount of media appearances and the amount of fans and following is THE EXACT SAME of most if not all of the other RPDR queens with pages. The truly pointless thing is to have this afd at all because there is no reason this queen shouldn't have a page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6c5d:5880:38:493d:61a8:1ff0:e605 (talk) IP editor has zero edits outside the article and this AfD.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 16:10, 1 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That little comment from Onel is a complete false fact. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6c5d:5880:38:493d:61a8:1ff0:e605 (talk)

• Keep per GNG. There's already content about projects other than RPDR. Article should be expanded and improved -- would make a nice Collaboration of the Month for WikiProject RuPaul's Drag Race. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:02, 1 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, per above and because subject is notable. There are numerous secondary sources and the article is well referenced. Ikjbagl (talk) 17:24, 1 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect - I'm not putting in bold because I haven't done another BEFORE but it appears there's no new element to suggest notability since we were here about 6 months ago (when I did do a full BEFORE). At that time there wasn't coverage about Carrion there was coverage about Ru Paul's Drag Race where Carrion was mentioned. As such I'm not seeing any new evidence to suggest that it shouldn't have the same outcome as with the first nomination. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 22:45, 1 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

And I should make clear I'm not seeing notability from the song that they sung which appears to be the only substantive change. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 22:46, 1 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I've now done enough looking to suggest that notability hasn't been established since the last AfD and so it should continue to be a redirect. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 23:09, 8 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Non-notable individual. I'm a little concerned about the coverage for RPDR in general - it seems we have a few very passionate fans of the show who are very hard at work covering every aspect of the show here on Wikipedia. A lot of it is WP:FANCRUFT, which is all well and good at rupaulsdragrace.fandom.com, but it doesn't belong here. As well as the contestants, there have recently been some articles for individual episodes created which I'm pretty sure don't meet the notability guidelines. I'm also a little concerned about the wikiproject. I know this isn't quite WP:CANVASSING, but it could certainly skew the discussion and lead to WP:VOTESTACKING. --woodensuperman 12:14, 2 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  Woodensuperman, I understand your concerns about canvassing, but simply posting links to AfD pages at a relevant WikiProject should not be problematic, especially when WikiProject RuPaul's Drag Race members have been perfectly willing to vote merge/redirect in past discussions (see example1 and example2). I think you should actually assume good faith and welcome editors most familiar with the subjects to participate in the ongoing discussions, thanks. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 13:49, 2 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  I'll also add that this is not someone who was just on the show and didn't have a career afterwards. The person was on at least three TV shows, in a movie, and has been in music videos. I'll admit that I do think there is too much information on her time on Drag Race; we don't need to record that she won a sewing challenge. But it's flat out wrong to say that she isn't notable. Ikjbagl (talk) 23:49, 2 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom and WP:NACTOR. Then recreate and redirect to RuPaul's Drag Race (season 6) per the last deletion discussion, so the consensus can't be immediately and unilaterally undone like it was after the last discussion. - GretLomborg (talk) 21:55, 8 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  The person passes 2/3 of the points in NACTOR, so she is notable. - 2600:6c5d:5880:38:493d:61a8:1ff0:e605

We'll have to disagree, then. Also are you User:Ratherbe2000, 2600:6c5d:5880:38:493d:61a8:1ff0:e605? - GretLomborg (talk) 23:04, 8 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.