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• Olympic medal and Medal (sports) from gold medal, silver medal, bronze medal
• Hiberno-English phonology; standard v dialect;
• Clay Sanskrit Library ←→ John P. Clay : Murty Classical Library of India

  Sheldon Pollock quoted in Kuruvilla, Elizabeth (24 January 2015). "The modern revivalists". Live Mint corresponded with [HUP] on 5 January 2009, saying that the Clay Sanskrit Library ... was coming to an end and I wanted to find a way to build on that visionary project ... John Clay ... had decided to move on to other philanthropic activities. So the library was closed and many translators were left hanging. They had done one part of a series, Book 1 of Kadambari, Books 2 and 3 were just “sorry, bye". I want to praise John Clay for his extraordinary vision, but many people were blindsided by the sudden termination of the library and I felt that was unfair. ... John said no, I don’t want you to go raise money for me, I don’t want to continue the series, it is what it is, thank you, bye-bye—that was in October 2008"

• Wookie adds from other spellings
• David Copperfield -- little Emily was never a prostitute, whereas Martha was.
  • do you remember Martha?” / “Of our town?” / I needed no other answer than his face. / “Do you know that she is in London?” / “I have seen her in the streets,” he answered, with a shiver.
  • When my child,” he said aloud, and with an energy of gratitude that shook him from head to foot, “stood upon the brink of more than I can say or think on—Martha, trew to her promise, saved her!”
• List of Irish Academy Award winners and nominees
  • John Huston 1964 [1], Anjelica Huston 1964 p. 127
  • List of British Academy Award nominees and winners
  • Peter O'Toole had Irish passport
  • site:dib.ie "academy award"
  • Maureen O'Hara born in Ireland, honorary Oscar
• {{Ireland newspapers}} and other two "Newspapers of Ireland founded in the period before the establishment of Northern Ireland in 1921 and the Republic of Ireland in 1937" — (1) 1937 was Constitution, 1949 was Republic (2) why the different end dates? Why not just 1921 for both? (3) why plaster two overlapping templates onto most articles? what value to readers? (4) just vague yuck
• Court of Chancery#Origins cited 1828 source says 8 Ed. 1 quote (Law French original in 1662 cited by 1828) is a "Statute", but a 1970 source says "Chancery memorandum".
• The Beatles on The Ed Sullivan Show merge some SeeAlso into Legacy
• Governorate of Paraguay -- how to split rows where governor spans two kings? rownum on cells is not working. List of prime ministers of the United Kingdom is a FL with same problem in Monarch column!
• Cashio add redirect and in- links and dab or hatnote
• Names of the Holocaust intro redo from The Holocaust#Terminology and scope
• Lord Mayor of Dublin 1959 Council motion to request Oireachtas act removing Lord from title was amended to Irish Ard Mhaor IT 6 Sep 1959 p1
• Bowl of Light at An Tóstal 1953. Sources differ. Photos exist. plastic flames, copper bowl, steel tubes, concrete base; compared to a coal-effect electric fire. Brawl started when hoarding removed to reveal monument. https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-philadelphia-inquirer-george-m-neil/27326732/ Anthony Babington Wilson soon threw flames into river, fined. Bowl thrown in later by students. Flowers planted in bowl later. DCC debated removal 1958.^[1] Removed 1964 as too heavy. Called "The Thing" after flowers added or "The Tomb of the Unknown Gurrier" before then by Jimmy O'Dea. https://ifiarchiveplayer.ie/the-thing-is-removed-from-oconnell-bridge/ https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/heritage/the-times-we-lived-in-the-odd-bowl-of-light-on-o-connell-bridge-1.3411617 https://www.dublincity.ie/library/blog/rathmines-literary-heritage-transcript https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Bowl+of+Light%22+tostal+-wikipedia&tbm=bks
• county corporate and Unreformed House of Commons and Irish House of Commons — I think only in Irish counties corporate did the extra-municipal liberties form part of the parliamentary borough as opposed to voting for the county-at-large; but complications elsewhere. Separate questions of forty shilling freeholders inside vs outside municipal boundary.

  Corbett, Uvedale (1826). An Inquiry Into the Elective Franchise of the Freeholders of, and the Rights of Election for, the Corporate Counties in England and Wales. London: J. & W. T. Clarke.

  • includes brief discussion of Irish CCs on pp. 47–48

  Municipal Corporation (Boundaries) Act 1836 suggests 1835 act mistakenly added corporate county's Liberties to municipal area, whereas 1836 act reversed that and seemingly also took Liberties from corporate to at-large county. Presumably this experience influenced Irish act of 1840.

• Krivichs Radimichs and Dregovichs — bare -s plural is incorrect; Krivich[i] or Krivichian[s] etc per languagehat and Google Books University Press
• eg 2024 Cork City Council election results use "new" in the delta columns --- misleading and unnecessary
• Penalty shoot-out (association football) talks about winning the match rather than winning the fixture; in the case of a single match, the shootout is not part of the match [check World/euro ranking points]; also, two legged ties and group ranking tiebreakers.
• Not Angles but angels
• Hugh O'Neill, 1st Baron Rathcavan his three Privy Councils
• Trinity College, Dublin and University of Dublin: merge most of latter into former, and refactor separate University of Dublin–Trinity College distinction --- User:Jnestorius/TCD vs Dublin U
• Steven van de Velde - child rape vs statutory rape, English criminal law vs Dutch law s.5 of Sexual Offences Act 2003, summary vs detail of acts NYT, lenient sentence because career over
• Joel Embiid more on France letter to macron about aunts Cameroon first, bad CAM-FRA relations NYT interview athletic story French unhappy
• Category:Football clubs in Fiji -- as per Ba FA others need Foo F.C. renamed to Foo FA see rsssf names
• Ireland at the Olympics — Why are Ireland winning more Olympic medals? Post-Sydney reforms are helping Independent report after 2000 Games not implemented until after 2004 Games. "As soon as it [2000] was over, the infant Irish Sports Council, the age-old Olympic Council of Ireland, the Minister for Sport and the National Coaching and Training Centre were at each other’s throats." "Ireland didn’t have its first 50 metre pool until 2002." [Competitors dubbed] “Olympic tourists”. "Accountability was weak. Clientelism was rife." Radio shows criticised poor showing. [2024 good results] "This is what the high performance network was designed to produce"
• Coxswain (rowing)#Sex - heartheboatsing FINA 2017 gender neutral but ARA and HRR 1976 and Sue Brown 1981 -- was that both ways or female Cox only? Also mixed vs open vs female in US/UK. Also pararowing non-disabled cox
• Puissance separate high jump and remove hatnote
• Add Poulton Lancelyn redirect to Bebbington and update latter, Lancelyn Green, and Poulton (disambiguation) accordingly
• homonymous dab visual field issues, see also Homology
• List of UK parliamentary election petitions → /List of UK parliamentary election petitions — for "void election" add link to ensuing by-election; also change glossary "Reason" seems outofdate and "Result" repeats 'One of four possible outcomes of a petition trial'
• 2018 Athletics World Cup merge from Athletics World Cup into date name and make no-date name a dab with IAAF World Cup and see also World Athletics and World Athletics Championships
• List of world records in athletics relays
  1. name the teams; some are College or club rather than national
  2. move splits now anchor from notes column and/or change label to make obvious
  3. similar changes to progression and all-time lists
• List of best-selling albums in the United States merge sections into one table, trim repeated text like Platinum, maybe add studio/live/compilation/soundtrack column, more meaningful notes than asterisk/obelisk, standardise refs (do any disagree?), simpler lede-- criterion is 10x platinum = diamond certification.
• Nobility Law (Norway) -- add wl, integrate see-alsos Norwegian nobility, Norwegian noble titles
• Campbell's Soup Cans -- list the 32 varieties; better to include "soup" in names, so can distinguish links including or excluding the word "soup"^[2]
• Ballet Russe de Monte-Carlo lede order
• Commonwealth Games Association distinguish Commonwealth Games Federation; clearer on which double up as National Olympic Committee or National Olympic Committee#Unrecognized National Olympic Committees; which are separate (Canada and Australia), which are for non-Olympic areas (Home Nations, most dependencies); separate "Foo CGA" from "Foo at the Commonwealth Games" (maybe combined table?); More on history; how were early games organised? 1970 PhD Appendix C pp 210-211 has then list, more non Olympic
• Ray Armstead - college website [2] [3] [4], archive.org, alltime-athletix, 1984 US Trials PDF
• List of close election results % margin not "obviously"
• Junior (chess) and talkpage
• Synaxis#Feast Days maybe separate article: definitely replace outlinks with links to Near Caves, etc.
• Category:Chronology by event redundant, fold into Category:Timelines by topic; more generally separate Category:Chronology from Category:Timelines
• fr:marc (eau-de-vie) and fr:marc de raisin should wikidata with pomace brandy and pomace.
  • Pomace brandy#France links should not WP:EGG. cf the French fr:Catégorie:Eau-de-vie de marc de raisin. Do the marc AOC areas match those of the namesake wines and/or fines?
• Category:Monuments and memorials and memorial are sorta predicated on "memorial" as a physical mini-monument as opposed to a non-physical commemoration or honor; but the category tree does not reflect that, and the boilerplate hack {{Category explanation|actual monuments and memorials to [[CategoryName]], rather than articles [[WP:SHAREDNAME|just named after]] them/it.}} is not working. The reason is that that sense is not sufficently WP:MAINTOPIC for memorial ; see merriam-webster and ahdictionary.
• Cross Tipperary more on 1621 forfeit - by quo warranto James leveraged succession dispute between male Catholic and female Protestant
• Barry Lyndon IRA threat -- communicated via who: Dublin or London police, production assistant, direct IRA contact; rumour of chatter or specific threat; how likely to be hoax; was target Kubrick personally, family, or production; was cause redcoats in Ireland, clockwork orange, something else; did it influence withdrawal of clockwork orange from cinemas
• Elfdalian integrate ref from notes doi:10.14324/111.9781787355392
• Cooperative principle section redirects
• WP:OCEPON "Individual works by a person should not be included in an eponymous category but should instead be in a subcategory" -- what if there is no eponymous for it to be a subcategory of? I guess {{seealsocat}} or similar.

All-American; Dave Williams "Phil Shinnick could play any sport and was the finest athlete I'd ever seen, ever! Only injuries kept him from setting even more world records."; 1965 Universiad, Olympic Project for Human Rights, USAF captain, 1968 trials complaint, 1969 military games, United Amateur Athletes c. 1972; athletic director Livingston College, Rutgers; Jack Scott tried to recruit to Oberlin, 1974 Hearst contempt, 1970s doping testimony; 1983-4 executive director of "Athletes United for Peace" to promote détente and disarmament via friendly US-SU competition, still heading it 1995 capaigning to free Mamo Wolde; 2000s cared for Rustum Roy; acupuncture, BDORT, qigong

Gonzaga Prep

• site:trackfield.brinkster.net Shinnick
• https://trackandfieldnews.com/mens-u-s-long-jump-rankings-by-athlete/, us-nationals-results-long-jump reg-reqd
• gohuskies summary of dead link article also copied in full at onceuponatimeinthevest
• historylink
• Williams, Dave (23 October 2017). My Best for HIM: My Memoir. Christian Faith Publishing. ISBN 978-1-64079-313-2.
• Daves, Jim; Porter, Tom; Porter, W. Thomas (November 2000). The Glory of Washington: The People and Events that Shaped the Husky Athletic Tradition. Sports Publishing LLC. pp. 188–189. ISBN 978-1-58261-221-8.
• Pathé YouTube @ 1m58s
• Alamy 1964 Olympics photo in rain
• Burns, Bob (2 October 2018). The Track in the Forest: The Creation of a Legendary 1968 US Olympic Team. Chicago Review Press. ISBN 978-1-64160-080-4.
• Henderson, Simon (28 March 2013). Sidelined: How American Sports Challenged the Black Freedom Struggle. University Press of Kentucky. pp. 8, 35, 43. ISBN 978-0-8131-4154-1.
• Johnson, Mark (1 July 2016). Spitting in the Soup: Inside the Dirty Game of Doping in Sports. VeloPress. ISBN 978-1-937716-82-0.
• United States Congress Senate Committee on the Judiciary Subcommittee to Investigate Juvenile Delinquency (1973). Proper and Improper Use of Drugs by Athletes: Hearings, Ninety-third Congress, First Session, Pursuant to S. Res. 56, Section 12. U.S. Government Printing Office. pp. 134–151, 160, 170, [testimony], 146 [bio sketch], 521 [allusion].
• Hoffer, Richard (17 September 2009). Something in the Air: American Passion and Defiance in the 1968 Mexico City Olympics. Simon and Schuster. pp. 87–89. ISBN 978-1-4165-9389-8.
• Hartmann, Douglas (2003). Race, Culture, and the Revolt of the Black Athlete: The 1968 Olympic Protests and Their Aftermath. University of Chicago Press. p. 190. ISBN 978-0-226-31855-4.
• Dyreson, Mark; Mangan, J. A. (13 September 2013). Sport and American Society: Exceptionalism, Insularity, ‘Imperialism’. Routledge. p. 122. ISBN 978-1-317-99777-1.
• 1969 Pacific Conference Games in high jump!
• worldathletics.org/athletes/united-states/phil-shinnick 1972 mark
• nytimes.com/1973/05/08
• nytimes.com/1975/09/21/archives/radical-jocks-how-jack-scott-once-known-as-chief-who-would-go
• nytimes.com/1976/12/31/archives/a-modern-inquisition
• United States Congress House Committee on the Judiciary Subcommittee on Immigration, Citizenship, and International Law (1977). Grand Jury Reform: Hearings Before the Subcommittee on H.R. 94. Ninety-fifth Congress, First Session. Vol. Part 2 Serial No. 22. U.S. Government Printing Office. pp. 1192–1216, 1394–1395, 1459.
• Intondi, Vincent J. (7 January 2015). African Americans Against the Bomb: Nuclear Weapons, Colonialism, and the Black Freedom Movement. Stanford University Press. p. 94, 158 n. 31. ISBN 978-0-8047-9348-3.
• Sack, Allen L.; Parseghian, Ara (6 April 2012). Counterfeit Amateurs: An Athlete's Journey Through the Sixties to the Age of Academic Capitalism. Penn State Press. p. 82. ISBN 978-0-271-05409-4.
• Willey, David, ed. (30 March 2010). Going Long: Legends, Oddballs, Comebacks & Adventures. Rodale. p. 419. ISBN 978-978-160-539-0.
• Laber-Warren, Emily (January 2006). "Sticking Points". Women's Health. Rodale: 106–108.
• News: US long jumper Shinnick retroactively recognised as world record-breaker (28 Jun 2021) World Athletics

• Shinnick, Phil (1966). An investigation into the personnel functions of the city of Seattle. OCLC 29834058.
• Shinnick, Philip Kent (August 1978). China and the Olympics : historical perspective. Far East Reporter. New York: Maud Russell. OCLC 22924059.
• Ruiz, Rafael; Shinnick, Phil (1979). The Recognition of the German Democratic Republic: Slander & Reality in Sport. Highland Park, NJ: Olympic Publ. OCLC 37232660.
• Shinnick, Phil (September 1980). "Commentary: Comments on Kanin "The Olympic Boycott in Diplomatic Context" JSSI (Vol. 4, No.1)". Journal of Sport and Social Issues. 4 (2): 33–34. doi:10.1177/019372358000400204.
• Shinnick, Phil; Omura, Yoshiaki (1985). "Difference in the location of finger placement on the radial artery for pulse diagnosis in the Orient; and, 15th to 18th century Occidental rare books on pulse diagnosis". Acupuncture & electro-therapeutics research. 10: 309–324. doi:10.3727/036012985816714342. ISSN 0360-1293.
• Shinnick, Phillip; Freed, Simon (2002). "A Case Study of the Synchronization of Human Energy in an Acute Condition of Chronic Heart Disease Through Complementary Treatment". Subtle Energies and Energy Medicine. 13 (3): 209–232. ISSN 1099-6591.
• Shinnick, Phil (December 2003). "Reearch Summary on Qigong and the Differentiation of Qi into Body Pathways, the Physiology and Properties of Mind/Body Wholeness and its Clinical Application to Disease and Athletics". In Roy, Rustum (ed.). Science of Whole Person Healing: Proceedings of the First Interdisciplinary International Conference. iUniverse. pp. 87–126. ISBN 978-0-595-30153-9. — WP:SELFPUB
• Shinnick, P. (2006). "Qigong: Where Did It Come From? Where Does It Fit in Science? What Are the Advances?". Journal of Alternative and Complementary Medicine. 12 (4): 351–353. doi:10.1089/acm.2006.12.351. ISSN 1075-5535.
• Haddad, Jack B.; Obolensky, Alexis Guy; Shinnick, Phillip (June 2007). "The Biologic Effects and the Therapeutic Mechanism of Action of Electric and Electromagnetic Field Stimulation on Bone and Cartilage: New Findings and a Review of Earlier Work". The Journal of Alternative and Complementary Medicine. 13 (5): 485–490. doi:10.1089/acm.2007.5270.
• Shinnick, Phillip (2009). Whole Person Healing: The O-Ring Imaging Technique Influences to Oriental and Occidental Medicine. AuthorHouse. ISBN 978-1-4389-6566-6. — WP:SELFPUB
• Chen, Kevin W; Comerford, Anthony; Shinnick, Phillip; Ziedonis, Douglas M. (August 2010). "Introducing Qigong Meditation into Residential Addiction Treatment: A Pilot Study Where Gender Makes a Difference". The Journal of Alternative and Complementary Medicine. 16 (8): 875–882. doi:10.1089/acm.2009.0443.
• Shinnick, Phillip (October 2012). "On Contradictions Between Chinese and Tibetan Pulse Diagnosis". Journal of Alternative and Complementary Medicine. 18 (10): 889–891. doi:10.1089/acm.2012.1501.
• Shinnick, Phillip; Porter, Laurence (25 March 2017). "Science to Improve the Human Condition". Cosmos and History. 13 (2: Foundations of Mind IV: Quantum Mechanics Meets Neurodynamics): 256–260.
• Shinnick, Phillip; Porter, Laurence (19 April 2017). Whole Person Self-Healing: A Science and Art. Bentham Science Publishers. ISBN 978-1-68108-259-2. — low-rep publisher, albeit not actually WP:Predatory
• Shinnick, Phillip; Porter, Laurence (12 January 2018). "Difficulties in Inorganic and Organic Measurement of Energy: Influences of Mind (intention or Yi) and Nature in Outcome". Cosmos and History. 14 (1: Foundations of Mind V: The New AI Scare): 187–202.
• Shinnick, Phillip; Porter, Laurence; Maize, J. (26 August 2018). "Intention and Attention within Sheldrake's Morphic Resonance Fields in Nature and Humans: Network Interaction in Weather. Eyes Closed Images during Research and non Research: Similar Artistic and Scientific Images". Cosmos and History. 14 (2: Foundations of Mind VII: On Fields): 256–277.
• Shinnick, Phillip (6 March 2019). "Dual Properties of Electromagnetic Light: The curvilinear (Octagonal) and rectilinear in the cosmos, earth and applications for medicine and disease". Cosmos and History. 15 (2: Mind and Cosmos): 111–132.

• The Four Hundred (Gilded Age)
• 200 families fr:Deux cents familles (French Third Republic)^[3]
  • Edouard Daladier 1934 that '"200 families run the French economy and, in fact, French politics.” He was referring to the 200 principal shareholders of the Banque de France'.^[4]
• Upper ten thousand
  • New York "According to Bristed, an upper ten thousand was a great exaggeration, ‘for the people so designated are hardly as many hundreds’ ([Charles Astor Bristed, The Upper Ten Thousand: Sketches of American Society (New York, 1852)] p. 27 1)."
  • Britain
• The 1%

• 1911 Mammy's lullaby with music by Logan Douglass Howell of Goldsboro, North Carolina
• 1969 Mammy loves world's simplest songs
• Odetta liner notes:
  • 1957 At the Gate of Horn — PRETTY HORSES — A woman crooning a lullaby to a baby while she leaves her own unattended in order to earn money for bread. In the song she refers to her own child as the lambie in the meadow. This lullaby comes from the South, post Civil War.
  • 1960 Odetta at Carnegie Hall — All the Pretty Little Horses. It is a lullaby from the slave period, of a Negro woman who must go to the “big house” to take care of the master’s child while her own “little lamby” remains unattended.
• JSTOR 1495941 doi:10.2307/1495941 review of song book
• [proquest] The Language of Lullabies; Alice Sterling Honig.  YC Young Children; Washington Vol. 60, Iss. 5, (Sep 2005): 30-36
• [proquest or ebscohost] "Hush-a-bye baby": Death and violence in the lullaby; Marina Warner.  Raritan; New Brunswick Vol. 18, Iss. 1, (Summer 1998): 93-114
  • the savage turn taken in the second verse ... frequently softened by singers ... Peter, Paul and Mary's recording, for instance. American commentators traditionally interpret these lyrics as those of a black mother who sings of her own baby, left behind in the fields while she looks after the white folks' offspring. ... its unexpected morbidity [is] a most characteristic lullaby
• ebscohost jrnl=17569575 found but AN=110087355 not
• alias "Cornbread Crumbled in Gravy" in Bullfrog Jumped: Children's Folksongs from the Byron Arnold Collection doi:10.1353/ala.2009.0042
  • Mary Chapman Grove Hill, Alabama recorded 5 July; recording online
• ebscohost Black Feminist Theories of Motherhood and Generation: Histories of Black Infant and Child Loss in the United States. By: Simmons, LaKisha Michelle, Signs: Journal of Women in Culture & Society, 00979740, Winter2021, Vol. 46, Issue 2
  • Fannie Lou Hamer version passed down from enslaved grandmother/ cited Hamer, Fannie Lou. (1963) 2015. Songs My Mother Taught Me. Mp3. Washington, DC: Smithsonian Folkways Recordings. first 10s preview
• ebscohost Patricia Hill Collins' Black Feminine Identity in Toni Morrison's Beloved. By: Ghasemi, Parvin, Heidari, Samira, Journal of African American Studies, 15591646, Dec2020, Vol. 24, Issue 4 "The great degree of apprehension and worry manifestly expressed in the second stanza of the poem contains rage and resentment; this great anger is voiced and conveyed by means of descriptions and imageries related to conjure"
• mudcat has several refs, but...
  • ...LOC ref is Baa Baa Black Sheep
• Ballad Index LxU002: All the Pretty Little Horses 2024 by Robert B. Waltz and David G. Engle — index lists many books and a few recordings
• Roud number 6705 — index lists many recordings and a few books, manuscripts, etc.

• 1855 "The Judge’s Big Shirt"
  • OED (Dec. 2015 update per linguistlist) s.v. "nine, adj." subsense 3.e. [sense 3 groups "allusive and proverbial uses"; others include "nine days' wonder", "nine ways at once", "nine lives"] "Apparently originating in the frequently repeated comic story cited in quot. 1855." — says who? OED internal lexicographers? What of others? (1855 quote is in brackets; 1907 quote is first unqualified)
  • nytimes 2012 (article has potted history of antedatings since 1982 Safire NYT article; also enchilada, shebang, ball of wax)
  • Barry Popik barrypopik.com — originally 2005 but check archive.org for dates of later edits — 'it appears that a popular 1855 story, "The Judge's Big Shirt," spread the idea that the "whole nine yards" of cloth meant "everything."'
  • Fred Shapiro
    • nytimes.com 2013/01/02 sceptical of 1855 relevance (also Brooklyn Eagle 1873 “a brief and pithy letter nine yards long.”)
    • yalealumnimagazine The inflation of “cloud seven” and “the whole six yards.” 2013 finds 1921 “the whole six yards”
  • Patricia T. O'Conner and Stewart Kellerman grammarphobia 2016/12 Dubious of 1855–1907 attestation gap: "Perhaps researchers will eventually fill in the gap with more examples." / Other researchers have found that cloth was often sold in multiples of three yards during the 19th century, and “nine yards” was a common measurement. / “nine yards to the dollar” / Richard Bucci 1850 will not attempt to follow you through your ‘nine yards’ in all its serpentine windings
  • Stephen Goranson [5] "1855 joke link is iffy, at best"
  • David Wilton wordorigins "the long gap, over fifty years, between this citation and the next militates against this story"

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• reasoned amendment - procedureofhouse03redl said flat no to main motion never used
• "not the county town" books [6], [7], [8], [9]

• refs from 2011,^[5] 2016,^[6] and 2022^[7] all call Teju Cole a "pen name" for Obayemi "Yemi" [Babajide Adetokunbo] Onafuwa
  • I note that 2016 ref is a bit snarky about the change
• but Cole (as User:Simultanagnosia)
  • removed in 2020 from lede (left in infobox)
    • User:Lopifalko re-added (as "born" rather than "real name"), Cole reverted, Lopifalko de-reverted then self-reverted "WP:BLP states that such things can be removed if the subject of the article is trying to communicate that they would like them removed"
      • The edit summary may be alluding to WP:BLPEDIT "When a logged-out editor blanks all or part of a BLP, this might be the subject attempting to remove problematic material"; not WP:BLPNAME which relates to "individuals who are discussed primarily in terms of a single event"
  • said in 2015 Talk that "Teju Cole" was by then his legal name and name for all other purposes:
    • v1 - "strongly preferred name" - "it becomes a topic of discussion, and this is precisely what one wishes to avoid"
    • v2 - "This information is handled differently for Toni Morrison, Marguerite Yourcenar, Tea Obreht, Jhumpa Lahiri, Xeni Jardin, and a number of contemporary writers who use a name other than the ones they're born with, but whom I do not wish to out." --- instances he cites are [no longer] of the format he would prefer
    • Section deleted in 2015 by User:Nickknack00 without explanation
• I suggest:
  1. restoring birthname to body with info on when used and when changed
     • but do any citable sources give full name without asserting Teju Cole is only a pen name? I suspect they all rely (perhaps tacitly) on the Wikipedia article, which is invalid per WP:CIRCULAR
  2. add comment-note to lede saying not to add there
  3. restore section to Talk, ping Simultanagnosia Lopifalko and Nickknack00 and re-open discussion
     • remove email address etc
  4. add {{Connected contributor}} Simultanagnosia

Check edit history in case someone has made a bad tweak that should first be reverted.

Contradiction

Currently there is a disconnect between the first and second lines:

• Use "Ireland" for the state except where the island of Ireland or Northern Ireland is being discussed in the same context. In such circumstances use "Republic of Ireland" (e.g. "Strabane is at the border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland").
• An exception is where the state forms a major component of the topic (e.g. on articles relating to states, politics or governance) where "Ireland" should be preferred and the island should be referred to as the "island of Ireland" or similar (e.g. "Ireland is a state in Europe occupying most of the island of Ireland").

Line #1 says use "Ireland" for the state by default; line #2 says use "Ireland" for the state only in exceptional cases.

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"Ireland" should not normally be linked. If it is thought necessary to link, in order to establish context or for any other reason, the name of the state must be pipelinked as [[Republic of Ireland|Ireland]].

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"Ireland" (state or island) should not normally be linked. If it is thought necessary to link, in order to establish context or for any other reason, "Ireland" (the state) must be pipelinked as [[Republic of Ireland|Ireland]]

It seems clear to me that there are two orthogonal minority cases: (1) where "Republic of Ireland" is to used instead of "Ireland" and (2) where the label is to be linked instead of left unlinked. If a case is at the intersection and meets BOTH (1) AND (2) then it should be linked as [[Republic of Ireland]].

Lacuna

There is the separate question regarding "island of Ireland"

• is this the preferred formulation
• in the minority of cases with link, is it island of [[Ireland]] or [[Ireland|island of Ireland]]

• Capital punishment in Ireland
• Orders, decorations, and medals of the Republic of Ireland, see also Old revision of British honours system
• Kilkenny cats
• Kalasmaic and to a lesser extent Kalasma

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