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  • Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Ferrylodge: Ferrylodge is subject to an editing restriction indefinitely. Any uninvolved administrator may ban Ferrylodge from any article which relates to pregnancy or abortion, interpreted broadly, which they disrupt by inappropriate editing.

Ferrylodge is behaving disruptively at Talk:Abortion. The entire thread in question is here. He claims that a quote sourced to numerous secondary sources is taken out of context, stating: "This is about as biased and misleading a statement as can be, but I will not attempt to correct it. Instead, as a harmless experiment, I'll provide the full quotation from Dr. Koop, with citation, and we'll see if the people who control this article have the slightest interest in providing any neutrality whatsoever... I'm curious to see whether anyone else will correct it, or whether they prefer it to be grossly misleading and biased in this and so many other ways." This was his initial statement, before anyone even argued the point. He added: "but, who cares about accuracy, right?"

Subsequent highlights include:

Ferrylodge has, as ArbCom has pointed out, "a long history of disruptive editing on topics related to pregnancy and abortion." His behavior on Talk:Abortion was clearly confrontational rather than collaborative from the get-go, and as usual produced tons of heat and zero light on a topic that's difficult in the best of times. In view of his long history and his current behavior, I'm asking that the ArbCom remedy be enforced and that he be banned from abortion and its associated talk page. MastCell Talk 19:09, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mastcell is not an "uninvolved admin" as specified by the ArbCom decision. Mastcell made this edit at the abortion article yesterday. I reverted here. He has not thanked me for correcting him, nor even acknowledged that the POV editorial he was citing did not use the language which he attributed to it. Anyone can look at Mastcell’s edit, and see that my reversion was correct, and that he was inserting an unsourced statement into the abortion article. I urge people to go see if I am telling the truth about this, by looking at the two diffs I have just cited.
Then today, Mastcell accused me of trying to remove “context” from the abortion article, and I replied to that plainly erroneous accusation here. It is absurd for Mastcell to say that deleting a sentence from a quote provides context, and that inserting the sentence removes context. I urge people to go see if I am telling the truth about this, by looking at the diff I have just cited.
Not only is Mastcell not uninvolved here; he has been POV-pushing and making personal attacks, as demonstrated by the diffs I have just provided. And to top it off, he cannot cite any edit that I made to the abortion article that was inappropriate. Instead, he quotes some colorful language from the talk page, which I admit did become somewhat heated, but was not unreasonable given the circumstances.Ferrylodge (talk) 19:28, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
If I were an uninvolved admin, I would have topic-banned you based on your well-documented negative effect on these articles. The reason I brought the issue here is that I am involved and therefore not about to use the tools myself. I have made 1 edit to abortion in the past 4 months (that's as far back as I looked). Ferrylodge's expectation that I "thank" him for "correcting" that 1 edit is exemplary of the problem here. Applying "the best defense is a good offense" by attempting to impeach me here is not likely to be successful - you're under ArbCom sanction for a reason. I'm not interested in the sort of endless debate that these conversations inevitably deteriorate into; I've said my piece, and I'll wait for an uninvolved admin to look this over. MastCell Talk 19:42, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The complained-of comments don't seem disruptive; he provided the full context of the quote, but it wasn't unreasonable for him to predict the reaction in advance. Was his prediction incorrect? Is he supposed to ignore what he sees, and pretend that the heavy contingent of "pro-choice" editors are editing in a neutral fashion, when experience shows otherwise? I think he's entitled to a certain amount of cynicism, given what he's experienced. -- Zsero (talk) 19:39, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
"Predicting" that people will be "dishonest", "biased", etc in your initial post is a surefire way to generate conflict and sabotage any hope of consensus. Can we keep this area free of input from Ferrylodge's partisans (or mine, I suppose, were that an issue) and allow an admin to review it? MastCell Talk 19:46, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Mastcell says, "This was his initial statement, before anyone even argued the point." People can look at the edit history of the abortion article, and see that the matter had already been the subject of edit summaries.Ferrylodge (talk) 19:57, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • I notice in reviewing the proposed decision that the restriction version which passed was chosen in favor of an original variant that said "any article or other page". The elimination by the committee of language "or other page" is to me significant. I'm not inclined to take any action based on talk page behavior, and all the diffs above are from the talk page. My review of the article's history does not evidence disruption by Ferrylodge in the past week. I think this report should be closed without action. However, if there is an ongoing pattern of disruptive behavior on talk pages, a case could be made for an expansion of the ArbComm sanctions. I note that there are no prior incidents logged at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Ferrylodge#Log of blocks and bans, so evidence to support such a request will need to be found elsewhere. GRBerry 19:53, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Just wanted to say that a request for clarification resulted in an arbitrator saying talk pages were included, see Wikipedia talk:Requests for arbitration/Ferrylodge#More clarification requested Mistakenly thought Thatcher was on the ArbCom all these months.-Andrew c [talk] 20:58, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the input, Andrew c. I'm not clear about who the arbitrator was. In any event, it says at the link you provided that "I personally would allow more freedom on talk pages, but there still will be an actionable level of disruption." And it also seems that the elimination by the committee of the language GRBerry mentions was significant.Ferrylodge (talk) 21:09, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks - I was unaware that this talk-page issue had come up before. I'll mention Thatcher's comment to GRBerry, but I'm not going to shop it around - if GRBerry feels this is either passable behavior or outside ArbCom's remit, I'll accept that. MastCell Talk 06:32, 21 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, User:75.72.88.121 was already about to be placed on probation on Israel-Palestinian related articles and subsequently blocked for POV pushing (see talk). Well, he's back. One only has to look at this diff to get an idea of the problem presented here. I would also like to put forth the possibility that this is the same person as User:Adnanmuf, who returned to edit war with exactly the same text not just once but twice (even if it's not the same person, he clearly should be on probation as well). The Evil Spartan (talk) 18:56, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked Adnanmuf (who took over edit-warring from the IP) for blatant edit-warring. Wagging my finger at The Evil Spartan. We sometimes do need to take quality of edits into account when judging the disruptiveness of revert warring. I'm absolutely aware that in doing this I've broken the formal rule of treating both sides equally. Well, I stand by that. Fut.Perf. 19:30, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cedar Point

  • we have been having a problem in the cedar point artical wits a IP address removing a certain Fan Websight called pointbuzz from the links at the bottom of the page his address has changed once if i do recall but it currently is 24.208.247.221
  • I dont know how this dispute thing works but it would in my opinion be best to change this to a registered user only attical

eleland

Radical-Dreamer

Martinphi

Martinphi (talk · contribs) who is under an editing restriction outlined here has stalked me from WTBDWK to Consciousness causes collapse where he made the following provocative edit: [26]. Another user pointed out that the effect of Martin's edit was to reinstate a word to avoid that has scientific implications which is particularly disruptive to an article about pseudoscience. Martin's response was astonishing: [27] where he states, in part: "That was only meant to reverse the nonconsensus stuff by a blocked user." The reference to "blocked user" refers to my wholly unrelated block for a claimed instance of incivilty in accusing another user of making an edit that looked POV-pushing at cold fusion mediation. The other problem in the reference to "nonconsensus stuff". These attempts by Martin to claim certain edits are "nonconsensus" while others are is a hallmark pattern in the disruptive editing by users of his *ahem* ilk. It appears to me that Martin is now taking it upon himself to wikistalk and revert me. ScienceApologist (talk) 13:06, 17 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Response

Wikistalking- Consciousness causes collapse was posted on the Fringe noticeboard [28]. In addition, I was asked by a friend to look into it. The edit which SA says is disruptive above was merely returning to a version prior to many anti-consensus changes SA had made before his edit warring caused the article to be locked . Here is how I remember it:

Failing to gain consensus on the talk page (this for example), SA made heavy against-consensus edits to the article.

He edit warred to keep those edits in- I did not participate in that edit war.

The article was protected because of SA's actions [29][30][31].

The article was then unprotected because consensus on talk page indicated the need for an AfD tag.

SA was then blocked for 96 hours for unrelated disruption and incivility.

The article was unprotected, and rather than leave the anti-consensus changes in place for days, I reverted the article to about where I thought the last stable version was, and kept an edit I thought was non-controversial. However, I missed one edit at least which should have been retained, as explained on the talk page [32].

Please note my edit stayed in place- it was a consensus edit.

SA also does not show that I attempted to keep consensus edits by restoring WAS's edit [33].

I will leave it up to the admins whether this report itself is appropriate and appropriately phrased per SA's own restrictions. ——Martinphi Ψ Φ—— 00:36, 18 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I would also request that SA stop doing stuff like this. There seems to be a perception that any consensus with which SA doesn't agree is disruption- see this. ——Martinphi Ψ Φ—— 01:00, 18 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]


User:Martinphi wikistalking and harrassment

It has been suggested that this case[34] be brought here.[35]. Martinphi has engaged in disruptive editing at Yi Ching, has falsely accused me of many things including trolling which I find very offensive [36], has reverted me on Reiki and attempted to assuage this by saying he knows my edit was in good faith [37], has wikistalked me to Yi Ching and reverted me with the rude edit statement "egad" [38] and has removed the POV tag despite the wishes of at least two editors and falsely claiming consensus[39]. He has also removed from his talkpage my efforts to try to solve these problems [40]. He also wikistalked me to the project Wikipedia:Words_to_avoid and made this revert[41] despite my comments on the takpage standing for a few days. Mccready (talk) 01:19, 18 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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