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I am nominating this as the data is 25 (!!!) years out of date, missing both the 2010 and 2020 census updates. It was one of the earlier featured lists but hasn't been taken care of for well over a decade. Mattximus (talk) 17:30, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- In addition to 25 year old data, there is also lots of unsourced sections, no alt text for images, a census designated place is added for some reason (unsourced), outdated wording ("The map shown below is clickable"), broken format in notes, just very far from featured standards. Mattximus (talk) 17:35, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- I have notified the original FLC nominator, Ruhrfisch (diff). RunningTiger123 (talk) 02:20, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the notification. Is there a model FL that we could look at for updates? Would updating to 2020 Census data be sufficient (or should the list have 2000, 2010, and 2020 data, and if so why not go back further in time)? Also, if we are making improvements, what time frame is there? - Ruhrfisch ><>°° 03:14, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
- Just 2020 should be sufficient for this list. Any more and the table would be too wide. There is quite a bit more that just the new census data needed to get it up to standard, but I'm sure there should be sufficient time if someone is working on it. Mattximus (talk) 03:20, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
- I have a link which I think should work as one reference for the 2020 US Census populations of all 52 incorporated divisions, as well as all 52 of their areas - see https://data.census.gov/profile?g=060XX00US4208102656. Or would you prefer links to each of the 52 individual 2020 US Census pages for each township, borough, and city for the population and 52 more individual links for each of the 52 areas (so 1 link or 104 links for references)? - Ruhrfisch ><>°° 15:47, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
- One link in header would be ideal. Usually the US Census includes a single document with all the counties on one page, but honestly that is minor and can be done later. I'm happy with the link you provided in the header. No need for 104 links. Mattximus (talk) 21:41, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks. Could someone look at my alt texts added so far and make sure that they are OK? I am also not sure what to use for alt text for the small locator maps for each municipality. I thought of just using "locator map" as the alt text - would that be OK? I have looked for a single document for the 2020 Census for Lycoming County, but have not been able to find it so far. I am compiling the populations and areas for all 52 of the municipalities, and will then edit them all in at once. - Ruhrfisch ><>°° 17:47, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- I'd probably say something to the effect of "<blank township> highlighted in red on a map of Lycoming County." Locator map is possibly fine as well, but I don't think it's particularly helpful if we had all of the images with the exact same alt text. Appreciate your effort and work on this @Ruhrfisch! Hey man im josh (talk) 13:29, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks, I did not add alt text to the 52 Lycoming County locator maps yet. I could also do something like "Blank Township highlighted in red in northwest corner of Lycoming County map", to give a sense of where the twp is. Although there are a lot of small munis in the center of the county, which would be harder to describe. - Ruhrfisch ><>°° 06:23, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- I have added alt text to all 52 locator maps in the first table per Hey man im josh's suggestion above "NAME highlighted in red on a map of Lycoming County". I think this addresses all of the major problems identified in the lede and Municipalities section. - Ruhrfisch ><>°° 23:14, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks, I did not add alt text to the 52 Lycoming County locator maps yet. I could also do something like "Blank Township highlighted in red in northwest corner of Lycoming County map", to give a sense of where the twp is. Although there are a lot of small munis in the center of the county, which would be harder to describe. - Ruhrfisch ><>°° 06:23, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- I'd probably say something to the effect of "<blank township> highlighted in red on a map of Lycoming County." Locator map is possibly fine as well, but I don't think it's particularly helpful if we had all of the images with the exact same alt text. Appreciate your effort and work on this @Ruhrfisch! Hey man im josh (talk) 13:29, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks. Could someone look at my alt texts added so far and make sure that they are OK? I am also not sure what to use for alt text for the small locator maps for each municipality. I thought of just using "locator map" as the alt text - would that be OK? I have looked for a single document for the 2020 Census for Lycoming County, but have not been able to find it so far. I am compiling the populations and areas for all 52 of the municipalities, and will then edit them all in at once. - Ruhrfisch ><>°° 17:47, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- One link in header would be ideal. Usually the US Census includes a single document with all the counties on one page, but honestly that is minor and can be done later. I'm happy with the link you provided in the header. No need for 104 links. Mattximus (talk) 21:41, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
- I have a link which I think should work as one reference for the 2020 US Census populations of all 52 incorporated divisions, as well as all 52 of their areas - see https://data.census.gov/profile?g=060XX00US4208102656. Or would you prefer links to each of the 52 individual 2020 US Census pages for each township, borough, and city for the population and 52 more individual links for each of the 52 areas (so 1 link or 104 links for references)? - Ruhrfisch ><>°° 15:47, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
- Just 2020 should be sufficient for this list. Any more and the table would be too wide. There is quite a bit more that just the new census data needed to get it up to standard, but I'm sure there should be sufficient time if someone is working on it. Mattximus (talk) 03:20, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the notification. Is there a model FL that we could look at for updates? Would updating to 2020 Census data be sufficient (or should the list have 2000, 2010, and 2020 data, and if so why not go back further in time)? Also, if we are making improvements, what time frame is there? - Ruhrfisch ><>°° 03:14, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
Updates and Improvements
I am starting a new section to keep track of edits made to update and improve the list.
- Edited the lead map to remove the Census-Designate Place (CDP), and its labels, and moved the Old Lycoming Township label inside the township - see File:Map of Lycoming County Pennsylvania With Municipal and Township Labels.png, it may take a while to update how it displays here.
- Removed the row on the Garden View CDP from the table. - Ruhrfisch ><>°° 15:47, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
- Added alt text to all photos and maps with captions (not sure what to do with other maps).
- Edited the image map template to remove the CDP and removed "Clickable map" test here
- Switched all "Image:" names to "File:" - Ruhrfisch ><>°° 22:42, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
- Copy edited introductory paragraphs, updated some refs, and all populations to 2020 Census in first table. - Ruhrfisch ><>°° 05:37, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
- The first table (Lycoming County's 52 municipalities) should be updated with 2020 census population AND 2023 areas (switched all to convert template, now area given in square miles to 3 decimal places, as per the US Census webpage). Added a ref for areas.
- Tweaked two paragraphs in municipalities section, - Ruhrfisch ><>°° 06:19, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- Added alt text per suggestion above to all locator maps in Table 1. - Ruhrfisch ><>°° 23:07, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- In the process of adding PennDOT map references for all of the townships and the villages they contain, so that villages will be up to date and consistent. - Ruhrfisch ><>°° 15:37, 30 December 2024 (UTC)