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Parker Molloy

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Subject fails WP:BIO notability, most of the sources aren't independent of the subject. TheLoyalOrder (talk) 02:06, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Women and Journalism. TheLoyalOrder (talk) 02:06, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Passes WP:SIGCOV per the sources found in the first AFD, which can be viewed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Parker Marie Molloy. Best.4meter4 (talk) 02:13, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
1st source listed is WP:HUFFPOCON, 2nd and 3rd don't mention her just a controversy she was involved with, 4th is a blog post that mentions her on the same controversy, 5th is a dead link, 6th is a petition, 7th, 8th, 11th are from same site about the same thing but could potentially be an ok source, 9th is a blog, 10th is the same thing as 8th. 12th is dead.

So really there's one potentially good soucre there, doesn't exactly establish notability. TheLoyalOrder (talk) 02:32, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Illinois-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 02:41, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@TheLoyalOrder I'm counting 28 sources in that AFD, and its difficult to know what sources you are talking about specifically because they are not numbered. I suggest doing a WP:SIRS table source analysis here for clarity. You might also want to include the sources currently cited in the article as well. Best.4meter4 (talk) 03:40, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

sure, i'll do that soon. thanks TheLoyalOrder (talk) 05:27, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]


From	Source	Significant?	Independent?	Reliable?	Secondary?	Pass/Fail	Notes
Currently used in article	https://windycitytimes.com/2014/06/25/windy-city-times-30-under-30-to-be-honored-june-26/	no	presumably	presumably	no	X	Mentioned in a list of a bunch of people by this local newspaper
	https://www.advocate.com/politics/transgender/2014/03/31/2014-trans-100-includes-cece-mcdonald-fallon-fox#toggle-gdpr	no	no	presumably	no	X	Mentioned once, seemingly because she writes for them
	https://web.archive.org/web/20190203133449/https://www.mediamatters.org/authors/parker-molloy/382	no	no	presumably	no	X	an article she wrote, not about her
	https://newrepublic.com/authors/parker-molloy	no	no		no	X	its just a link to their author page
	https://www.salon.com/writer/parker_marie_molloy/	no	no		no	X	ditto
	https://thought.is/what-its-like-to-come-out-as-transgender-at-work/	yes	no	?	no	X	article about herself
	https://web.archive.org/web/20141104114234/http://parkthatcar.net/2012/07/16/oneoftherottenones/	no	no	?	no	X	blog post by her
	Parker Marie Molloy (February 25, 2014). My Transgender Coming Out Story. Thought Catalog. ISBN 9781629210605.	?	no	?	no	X	dead link to ebook she wrote
	https://web.archive.org/web/20150312125430/http://chicagoist.com/2014/03/02/interview_parker_marie_malloy_on_ca.php	yes	no	presumably	no	X	interview of her
	https://www.salon.com/2014/02/05/piers_morgan_grills_trans_activist.../	no	yes	debatable	yes	X	just quotes a tweet of hers
	https://web.archive.org/web/20201206162642/http://archive.azcentral.com/community/gilbert/articles/20140124gilbert-golf-inventor-suicide-website-essay-anne-vanderbilt.html	no	yes	?	no	X	she's not mentioned
	https://grantland.com/features/a-mysterious-physicist-golf-club-dr-v/	no	yes	?	no	X	ditto
	https://web.archive.org/web/20170914124936/https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/3-signs-we-have-a-long-way-to-go-on-trans-rights-20150113	no	no	no	no	X	an article she wrote, not about her
	https://www.huffpost.com/voices/topic/transgender	no		debatable		X	its just the topic page for all trans articles
	https://www.salon.com/2013/08/23/the_happy_story_of_my_transgender_coming_out/	yes	no	debatable	no	X	article about herself
	https://apnews.com/article/trump-media-election-rallies-facts-kamala-harris-e906e990b5dcfe44b5e672336fe82b32	no	yes	yes	yes	X	leads with briefly mentioning her perspective on sanewashing of trump and then talks about other people
	https://archive.ph/20141108192631/http://nlgja.org/2014/transgender-journalists-and	no	no	?	no	X	just lists her a particpating in a talk
	https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/style-blog/wp/2013/08/22/trans-activists-scrutinize-pvt-manning-coverage/	no	yes	yes	yes	X	just quotes a tweet of hers
	https://web.archive.org/web/20141108220813/http://theweek.com/article/index/250110	no	no	?	no	X	quotes her amongst other trans people
	https://www.bostonglobe.com/lifestyle/2014/12/31/transgender-teen-leelah-alcorn-death-needs-mean-something/4hw6uPd8NtjIbn8kAdyAbM/story.html	no	no	presumably	no	X	her commenting on something, not about her
	https://www.autostraddle.com/let-it-go-for-the-last-time-trans-women-were-not-born-boys-255055/	no	yes	?	yes	X	briefly quoting an op-ed she co wrote, amongst other trans people
	http://www.thetrans100.com/about/	no	presumably		no	X	just a link to the trans 100 org, she's not mentioned
	https://web.archive.org/web/20150213020921/http://www.nwpc.org/2014emmanominees	no	presumably	?	no	X	list of people who received an honor from an org
	https://web.archive.org/web/20141108212634/http://www.lapressclub.org/Resources/Documents/Finalists_NAEJ_2014.pdf	no	presumably	?	no	X	ditto
	https://www.advocate.com/politics/transgender/2014/04/17/t-word-new-n-word	no	no	presumably	no	X	an article she wrote, not about her
	https://www.advocate.com/politics/transgender/2014/03/18/rupaul-stokes-anger-use-transphobic-slur	no	no	presumably	no	X	ditto
	https://www.huffingtonpost.com/parker-marie-molloy/gay-dudes-can-you-just-not_b_4330353.html	no	no	no	no	X	ditto
	https://web.archive.org/web/20141108213125/http://www.pqmonthly.com/parker-marie-molloy-elaborates-gay-dudes-can-just/17814	yes	no	?	no	X	interview of her
	https://www.huffpost.com/entry/parker-marie-molloy_b_5077322	not really	yes	no	yes	X	not really about her, author mostly talks about their own experience in response to parker
	https://www.advocate.com/commentary/2014/04/17/op-ed-burning-books-one-word-time	no	yes	?	no	X	doesn't mention parker
	https://www.thestranger.com/seattle/about-the-word-tranny/Content?oid=19946137	no	yes	?	no	X	ditto
	https://boingboing.net/2014/04/04/rupaul.html	maybe	yes	probably not	yes	X	perennial soucres describes boingboing.net as a group blog
	https://web.archive.org/web/20160311044304/http://www.huffingtonpost.com/our-lady-j/rupauls-drag-race_b_5148719.html	no	yes	debatable	yes	X	doesn't mention parker
	http://www.wtfpod.com/podcast/episodes/episode_498_-_rupaul_charles	?	yes	no	?	X	ru paul podcast episode, presumably paul talks about his opinion
	https://web.archive.org/web/20160819021941/http://roygbiv.jezebel.com/huffpostgays-offensive-video-of-drag-queen-shooting-tra-1566525131	no	yes	no	yes	X	short blog post it looks like
	https://www.advocate.com/politics/transgender/2014/04/14/rupauls-drag-race-logo-tv-apologize-transphobic-slur	no	no	presumably	yes	X	an article she wrote, not about her
	https://web.archive.org/web/20141029221559/http://www.glaad.org/blog/update-female-or-she-male-sketch-and-rupauls-drag-race	no	yes	presumably	yes	X	doesn't mention her
	http://freethoughtblogs.com/zinniajones/2014/04/open-letter-100-trans-women-stand-against-calpernia-addams-and-andrea-james/	not really	?	no	no	X	a petition defending her
	https://www.huffpost.com/entry/calpernia-addams-andrea-james_b_5146415	not really	?	no	no	X	ditto
	https://www.queerty.com/trans-violence-watchdogs-issue-advisory-warning-against-advocate-writer-and-trans-activist-parker-molloy-20140903	not really	yes	?	yes	X	mentions a previous article about parker and then that were added to a list, that's all
	https://www.queerty.com/park-that-attitude-the-danger-of-trans-activist-parker-molloy-20140827	probably	yes	?	yes	?	unclear on the reliability of Queerty. also not sure if its coverage of her is signifcant
from prev AFD	https://www.advocate.com/politics/transgender/2014/05/06/alaska-thunderfuck-apologizes-controversial-video	not really	no	?	no	X	reads like an ad for a podcast she was on
	https://www.thestranger.com/blogs/2014/10/30/20923525/sl-letter-of-the-day-drag-trans-trans-drag	not really	no	?	no	X	article isn't about her, author just asked her opinion on something
	links to a bunch of websites that she writes articles for		no		no	X	these aren't sources
	https://web.archive.org/web/20210623155424/https://www.glaad.org/blog/author-transphobia-perfectly-natural-asked-take-leave-ad-agency	not really	yes	yes	yes	?	short article about Gavin McInnes that quotes a tweet of her's
	https://windycitytimes.com/2014/05/14/chicagoan-writes-nationally-from-the-t-perspective/	yes	?	?	no?	X	its mostly an interview, which would be primary source

TheLoyalOrder (talk) 07:06, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

probably wrong on some of these judgements but not wrong to the point it changes the determinations, i think. 0 definitely good sources. Also most of these, regardless of quality, talk about like 1 controversy from a decade ago TheLoyalOrder (talk) 07:09, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I'm confused and impressed that someone would make a gigantic chart to evaluate these sources. Yes, many of them are bad or irrelevant, but so what? There are a lot of subjective judgements of individual sources that I do not share and I believe that Carrite's sources provided in the previous AFD establish notability. Gamaliel (talk) 15:18, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. We need to judge this by the best sources. The inclusion of additional primary sources is neither hear nor there when it comes to deletion. (Any truly superfluous ones can be removed from the article.) I think we can safely disregard the big table of sources above as it lists several secondary sources as not being so. For example, interviews are not primary sources (unless the subject is self-publishing the interview, I guess). I'm sure that this is a genuine misunderstanding but it reveals the entire AfD to be misconceived. --DanielRigal (talk) 16:04, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]