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Hello LH7605 (talk·contribs) could you please explain what is your reasoning that you remove the name of the cheater? Wiki wise, the real name of the cheater and the nickname used by the cheater is clearly referenced very well in WP:RS. Thank you!SunDawn (talk) 11:11, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hello SunDawn (talk·contribs), thank you for reaching out. I base my argument on section 3.7. of WP:Bio (see here: WP:BLPNAME). It states:
"Caution should be applied when identifying individuals who are discussed primarily in terms of a single event. When the name of a private individual has not been widely disseminated or has been intentionally concealed, such as in certain court cases or occupations, it is often preferable to omit it, especially when doing so does not result in a significant loss of context."
In generall, I think this is a really hot topic, that as the text mentions, included even "death threats to him and his family". Ok, those threats were pointed towards Levy Rozman but I think that mentioning the real name of a cheater (who himself is not relevant enough to get a wiki-page for himself) could actually backfire and the heated crowd could turn against him. Furthermore, I don't see that not naming him would be a "significant loss of context". I hence see no benefit in naming him, only potentially damages. What do you think? Best, --LH7605 (talk) 11:33, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hi LH7605 (talk·contribs), I can agree with your statements concerning using his real name, as omitting it would not resulting in loss of context, though Indonesian mainstream media have covered his real name extensively.[1][2][3].
However, I think if we also omit his chess.com nickname (Dewa_kipas) it will result in the loss of context of the case, as it is the unique "identifier" for this particular case. Thank you.SunDawn (talk) 15:18, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I also saw that Indonesian mainstream media covered his real name but I don't want to replicate their policy. (personally think the wiki-intern policies as stated in WP:Bio are better when it comes to name privacy). However, I understand your point that omiting the chess.com username would actually make the article worse. Would you agree on the following: including the chess.com name but leaving his real name out? Would you be willing to work that in? Best, LH7605 (talk) 15:41, 16 March 2021 (UTC) PS: ping SunDawn (talk·contribs), what do you think? LH7605 (talk) 19:17, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The cheating controversy paragraph feels like it misses a few details, namely the evidence that Dewa_Kipas had over 99% accuracy (something literally impossible for humans to achieve) and that the 3 chess match stream of Dewa_Kipas and Irene Kharisma Sukandar is the most viewed chess live stream ever. It feels notable enough to at least warrant a mention. KieranStanley (talk) 19:34, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@KieranStanley: There was some discussion about how much of this info to include at my talk page - I personally have the view that this article should be about Rozman himself, and any info besides that strict qualifier belongs on a separate article about Dewa_Kipas. However, if other people feel that the info should be included in this article and there are sources to support it, I suppose the info ought to be included. AviationFreak💬19:40, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@KieranStanley: totally disagree. This article is on Rozman, and should remain being an article on Rozman only. If you feel the cheating match is relevant enough, create an own page on the incident. Best, --LH7605 (talk) 19:52, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
