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::A person's "own experience" would be, at best, a subjective anecdote. Do you consider that appropriate for a science reference desk? [[Special:Contributions/2A01:E34:EF5E:4640:2C28:10B6:13A1:E56|2A01:E34:EF5E:4640:2C28:10B6:13A1:E56]] ([[User talk:2A01:E34:EF5E:4640:2C28:10B6:13A1:E56|talk]]) 09:48, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
::A person's "own experience" would be, at best, a subjective anecdote. Do you consider that appropriate for a science reference desk? [[Special:Contributions/2A01:E34:EF5E:4640:2C28:10B6:13A1:E56|2A01:E34:EF5E:4640:2C28:10B6:13A1:E56]] ([[User talk:2A01:E34:EF5E:4640:2C28:10B6:13A1:E56|talk]]) 09:48, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
:::It's a useful starting point. ←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 11:36, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
:[http://csef.usc.edu/History/2014/Projects/J1215.pdf This] is a (not peer-reviewed) report on a 2014 [[California State Science Fair]] project that found a slight but significantly higher touch sensitivity in the dominant hand. [https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0304394009013688?via%3Dihub Another study] appears to show that right-handed males have lower pain sensitivity in their dominant hands, while no difference was found for left-handed males or females. So the answer may depend on (a) the kind of sensitivity; (b) the gender of the subject; (c) the handedness of the subject. &nbsp;--[[User talk:Lambiam|Lambiam]] 08:24, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
:[http://csef.usc.edu/History/2014/Projects/J1215.pdf This] is a (not peer-reviewed) report on a 2014 [[California State Science Fair]] project that found a slight but significantly higher touch sensitivity in the dominant hand. [https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0304394009013688?via%3Dihub Another study] appears to show that right-handed males have lower pain sensitivity in their dominant hands, while no difference was found for left-handed males or females. So the answer may depend on (a) the kind of sensitivity; (b) the gender of the subject; (c) the handedness of the subject. &nbsp;--[[User talk:Lambiam|Lambiam]] 08:24, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

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June 13

How many kernels in one row of triticum durum?

How many kernels in one row of triticum durum? (compare with barley that has 2 and 6 rows)--ThePupil (talk) 20:35, 13 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

[Just for reference, it's "row", not "raw", and "barley", not "barely".] {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.200.41.14 (talk) 23:29, 13 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
This source reports that a "normal" six-row barley ear has about 23 kernels. On online images of ears of Triticum durum I count 12 to 22 kernels per ear, with an average of about 18, but they may represent more photogenic, not necessarily typical ears. According to a study entitled "Evaluation of Grain Yield and Its Components in Durum Wheat under Mediterranean Conditions", the mean yield as measured by number of kernels in a "spike" (which is the same as an ear) of durum wheat grown in Spain in two seasons (cool 1998 and warm 1999) depends very much on the temperature and irrigation, as shown in this table:
Irrigated Rainfed
Cool 28.8 22.5
Warm 32.3 25.1
 --Lambiam 08:53, 14 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. I thought 6 row means that there are 6 kernels in one row. Isn't it?ThePupil (talk) 13:00, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It means that each ear has six vertical rows of kernels.[1] You can see a closeup of an ear in this photo. Along the side that is visible you can count three rows. (The rightmost row is mostly hidden by the hairs at the tip of each kernel but is visible near then base of the ear. You can also see the tip of another ear at the bottom of the image; there three rows are more visible.) The other three are along the other side.  --Lambiam 07:53, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

June 14

Odd-looking city pigeon

I've been seeing this attractive and unusual pigeon in Edinburgh, Scotland. It doesn't seem to fit into any of the usual pigeon color morphs, but rather has irregular patterns of reddish, blue-gray, and white. Is there a term for this sort of plumage, and what might the genetics behind it be? 188.74.64.13 (talk) 13:43, 14 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I would suggest reading Charles Darwin's On the Origin of Species where he discusses how easy it is to create and entirely new species of pigeon and that this can be achieved in as little as three breeding cycles. With the numerous types of pigeons in most modern cities, I would not be surprised if this is a mixture of various species. Having said that, it does not look at all uncommon when compared with those in London. Kind regards. Anton Anton.Brad (talk) 09:26, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nobody was creating new species of pigeons. They are just breeds. Abductive (reasoning) 12:37, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
In addition to the natural selection of Darwin, artificial selection exists, where humans breed animals and plants for certain traits. There are people in Scotland who raise pigeons, and it is possible that a pigeon was purposely bred for a particular color variation and then escaped or even was purposely released. --Guy Macon (talk) 11:25, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Purposely released pigeons invariably return to their coop. Abductive (reasoning) 12:37, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Even assuming the absoluteness of that (which I question), certainly domestic pigeons may mate with feral ones before returning, thus passing artificially selected gene patterns into the feral population. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.123.27.125 (talk) 13:47, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It's worth remembering that those alleles that people artificially selected for came from natural populations, and therefore individuals in natural populations regularly exhibit color morphs. For example, the profusion of coat colors in dogs all arose from wolves. Wolves come in a range of whites, yellows, browns, grays and blacks. Abductive (reasoning) 20:38, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It's worth taking a look at our article Fancy pigeon, and the articles linked therefrom. DuncanHill (talk) 11:32, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
From Feral pigeon: "Feral pigeons are essentially the same size and shape as the original wild rock dove, but often display far greater variation in colour and pattern compared to their wild ancestors... Pigeons' feathers have two types of melanin (pigment) – eumelanin and pheomelanin. A study of melanin in the feathers of both wild rock and domestic pigeons, of different coloration types and known genetic background, measured the concentration, distribution and proportions of eumelanin and pheomelanin and found that gene mutations affecting the distribution, amounts and proportions of pigments accounted for the greater variation of coloration in domesticated birds than in their wild relations. Eumelanin generally causes grey or black colouration, while pheomelanin results in a reddish-brown colour. Other shades of brown may be produced through different combinations and concentrations of the two colours".
Alansplodge (talk) 14:59, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

June 15

Cellophane wrap sticking

I've noticed that a cellophane DVD wrap and similar cellophanes stick to my hands at a certain small distance, like magnetic attraction. Is it because of static electricity in hands or something else? If so, could they be used to discharge excess load? 212.180.235.46 (talk) 18:19, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it's static electricity. Cellophane is an insulator, so it tends to retain any charge it develops. I don't know what sort of "excess load" you want to discharge, but an insulator is not likely the way to do it. --76.71.5.208 (talk) 19:09, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

June 16

Sunglasses heatup

I've noticed that my sunglasses often heat up under sunlight (with their black color as a contributing factor, apparently, up to the point that wearing them becomes uncomfortable). Are there already any ways to prevent excess heatup of black sunglasses (possibly material or coating-wise)? Thanks. 212.180.235.46 (talk) 21:04, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Replace your dark sunglasses with mirror shades. They stay a lot cooler. If you can, get light colored frames on the new ones. --Guy Macon (talk) 21:47, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

June 18

Keeping petrol in glass bottle

I have kept extra petrol in glass bottle instead of fuel container. How long can it be kept which can be used for fuel for motorcycle? I have seen that in laboratory chemicals are kept in glass instead of plastic. So, I though petrol will have longer life, if I keep in glass bottle. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MartinSean56 (talkcontribs) 02:17, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You won't be able to keep it after you bump the bottle and it falls and breaks, especially if the spilled petrol touches something that ignites it. --76.71.5.208 (talk) 03:52, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Don't most gas stations post warnings to store gasoline only in "approved containers"? (Typically metal or plastic.) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots05:23, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
There was a time when pumps had a clear glass cylinder or other shape at the top that fuel passed through on its way to your car. The glass was supposed to be inert to petrol. That's not a storage situation, but constantly exposed. HiLo48 (talk) 05:52, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
According to Fuel dispenser, that glass cylinder had a scale on it so you could figure out how much you wanted and then let it pour into the tank. That less-than-safe approach was abandoned once modern dispensers were invented. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots07:56, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Many sites state explicitly, without giving a reason, that glass is not suitable for storing gasoline. I guess that the safety concern of the glass breaking is a major factor; but being subjected to light will make the gasoline oxidize more quickly. The glass would not react with any of the components of the gasoline, but gasoline has a limited shelf life anyway, typically given as six months,[2][3][4] or shorter if exposed to higher temperatures like 30 °C (86 °F). Please read this WikiHow article on storing gasoline.  --Lambiam 06:15, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Also see Molotov cocktail. As explained here --Guy Macon (talk) 12:20, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Petrol/gasoline will "degrade" over time regardless of what you store it in, because the different components—including water and fuel additives—will separate. For long-term storage you should add a fuel stabilizer if you intend to eventually use it as fuel. Besides that, as others have stated, use an approved storage container. Safety is the major concern, as petrol is volatile and spilled fuel will produce flammable vapors. Most safety regulations are written in blood, as the saying goes. Evaporated fuel is also bad to inhale and contributes to air pollution.
Don't take this personally, but the logical fallacy you fell prey to here is hasty generalization. Some laboratory chemicals are stored in glass, as you correctly note, but that does not logically imply that glass is the best material for storing any chemical. Hydrofluoric acid dissolves glass; you can bet no one is storing that in a glass container! And for anecdote, I've seen plastic containers used for laboratory storage, including storage of solid chemicals. (Not all chemicals are liquid at room temperature, of course.) You may find chemist Derek Lowe's "Things I Won't Work With" posts, which discuss some rather dangerous chemicals, amusing and edifying. --47.146.63.87 (talk) 01:53, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I have kept petrol in an approved plastic container. It produced a lot of vapour, expanded in warm weather causing the container to bulge, and eventually lost a substantial proportion due to evaporation and escaping through the seal on the container. I'm wondering if this indicates a problem with storing in a glass bottle/jar - could the the increased pressure mean that a rigid glass jar or bottle (likely with an airtight seal) might burst? Iapetus (talk) 10:00, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Nickel(II) perbromate

Nickel(II) perbromate hexahydrate, is known: [5]. Can this compound green? Thanks for much. (Sorry if you don't understand, because my English is not good). Ccv2020 (talk) 06:46, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Why? —OuroborosCobra (talk) 10:20, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I'm reminded of this classic comedy scene. Apologies. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 10:31, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Equipment sound

Which device produces this melody in the video? Seemingly sort of medical equipment, not sure if this comes from artificial ventilation. Thanks. 212.180.235.46 (talk) 12:25, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

VIEWER WARNING, the video linked to above shows images of surgery. Thanks. Anton Anton.Brad (talk) 12:35, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Specifically, it purports to show the Azerbaijani entertainer Bahram Bagirzade being intubated. Our article mentions that he was diagnosed with COVID-19 on June 7 and his situation became critical on June 14.
I put all the video's comments through a translator. Most are understandably emotional and range from wishes, prayers, and expressions of dismay for Bahram and for the nation, through debates over the video's authenticity and appropriateness, to discussions of COVID-19 itself. The only mention of the sound is:
Nuray Guseynova: I don't understand the purpose for which it is shared and the music that goes in the background ... God bless everyone ... He has a family and children ...
ANGEL PRO: If I'm not mistaken, the sound of the device is not music.
Nuray Guseynova: @ANGEL PRO I came to that conclusion
The noise is very curious and does sound nearly nondiegetic. There are a couple of jump cuts (at 0:08, 0:14, 0:25, & 0:55), yet there are no discontinuities in the audio (either of the melodic tones or of the other background noises). I assume that a full 1:22 of audio of the scene was use, which may or may not be synchronized with any one of the video segments, but that the noise, as melodic as it is, most likely is diegetic and produced by one of the medical devices. It does have a hypnotic quality. -- ToE 21:30, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It could be any number of things, but it is clearly not being attended to by the doctors who are busy actually trying to save somebody.
Hospitals are full of equipment that buzzes, beeps, honks, etc. and are ignored by everyone working there. In most cases the "silence alarm" function only stops the noise for a short amount of time. One of these days, some regulators in the US or the EU are going to realize that we are simply training people to ignore alarms, and make it so
  • Heart just stopped = Loud alarm.
  • Heart stopped an hour ago = silence.
  • Sensor fell off or was unplugged, one soft beep then silence with a flashing light.
  • battery getting low = flashing light.
Until then, every emergency room and intensive care unit will have constant alarms that everybody ignores. --Guy Macon (talk) 13:41, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
They may have learned to tune out the noises that they know are not a problem. Just like you have to tune out background noise at your own place of business. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots14:02, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
In the same way that most regulars to the reference desk block out any comments by Baseball Bugs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anton.Brad (talkcontribs) 08:48, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"Ooh, burn" (Questionable Content 4285) {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.203.10.153 (talk) 20:04, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I see they have the machine that goes ping!. DMacks (talk) 14:14, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I'm aware of buzzes, etc, but personally I've never heard that peculiar ringtone-like melody in medical setting. Sounds quite specific and it caught my attention. 212.180.235.46 (talk) 17:26, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It is indeed unusual. I happen to have had the dubious honor of being in an emergency room, intensive care, and then a regular hospital bed here in California. Nothing sounded anything like that. Yet in this video you not only hear it from somewhere close, you also hear it from multiple sources in the background. Do we know what country this is? A lot of eastern European countries have their own brands of computers, medical equipment, etc. --Guy Macon (talk) 04:10, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It's in Azerbaijan and almost certainly a COVID-19 treatment. Today in a CNN news coverage I heard a similar melody in a COVID-19 treatment room in Portugal, so probably some sort of the related equipment. 212.180.235.46 (talk) 12:08, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The specific procedure performed is that of providing ECMO support. The patient's condition, although stable at the moment, is still serious; it is not possible yet to say whether his lung function can be restored.  --Lambiam 13:02, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
You can see samples of alarms based on some 2010 or earlier version IEC 60601-1-8 here [6]. None of those sounds seem the same, but my ability to recognise tones isn't very good. However as per that and [7] + [8]there is also some flexibility in certain aspects which I don't entirely understand anyway, and it seems that some places still allow proprietary alarms especially if they've been shown to perform similar to the IEC alarsm. It seems the standard is fairly controversial [9] with people looking into alternatives [10] [11], although those definitely don't sound like one of the more popular proposed alternatives, auditory icons [12] Nil Einne (talk) 12:57, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I was thinking ventilation seemed the most likely and most similar and I finally found [13] which seems to be very similar to what we are (I think) talking about. (I found it difficult to search for this question since most content is how to manage alarms, e.g. set them, and handle them when they occur etc.) BTW, the person talking sounds American and from what I can tell the device is or was sold in the US [14] [15] so I assume that some US hospitals have similar alarms. (And I don't think it's unique to that particular instrument either, actually there's a fair chance the ones in the Azerbaijani hospital are different.) Nil Einne (talk) 13:18, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, sounds much like that device. Thanks! 212.180.235.46 (talk) 15:05, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Covid-19 current scientific knowledge on critical patients

Is it known whether critical Covid-19 cases can be largely clear of viral infection? Is there any consensus on this within the scientific community? And is focus for therapeutics still focused on both anti inflammatories and anti Virals? Clover345 (talk) 13:26, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I take it that you've seen this and this? Alansplodge (talk) 13:45, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
This study showed high viral load and viral shedding in clinical samples from a group of 16 critically ill patients. Low outliers were not reported. See Figure 1A in the article, but note that low Ct values mean high viral levels.  --Lambiam 14:24, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Petrol (gasoline) becoming unusable over time

I recently purchased a second-hand lawnmower. The vendor told me that it was in top condition but had been sitting idle for over 6 months, and so I would need to empty the fuel tank and refill it with new petrol. I asked why, and was told that petrol that's over 3 months old is contraindicated.

Is this true, and why? I can understand fuel stored in a transparent container like glass might oxidise or something, but inside a completely dark metal tank in a lawnmower is another story altogether. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 23:09, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There's a bit on this at gasoline#Stability. It says there When gasoline is not stored correctly, gums and solids may result, which can corrode system components and accumulate on wetted surfaces, resulting in a condition called "stale fuel".
What it doesn't really say is why this should happen. My guess is that it's the fault of unsaturated hydrocarbons in the mix, which may polymerize. Probably producers try to deliver a product composed mostly of saturated hydrocarbons, but not 100%, because unsaturated hydrocarbons can help to raise the octane number. --Trovatore (talk) 23:24, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The RAC say petrol in a sealed container can be stored for six months at 20°C, three months at 30°C. Less if the seal is poor. They also say use of old fuel can cause damage to the engine. See this page. DuncanHill (talk) 23:35, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The tank on a lawnmower will be vented, and this shortens the shelf-life of the petrol further. There's an article here from a garden machinery supplier with further information. DuncanHill (talk) 23:38, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The process of degradation producing gums and solids is autoxidation.[16]  --Lambiam 23:55, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Gasoline can be conserved several years in an absolutely air tight container. In a common canister or the car tank beside oxydation and polymerization the most volatile (and flammable) components will evaporate quickly and after two or three months your gasoline will not burn well any more. 2003:F5:6F06:8700:A55E:59B6:FAEF:B44D (talk) 00:11, 19 June 2020 (UTC) Marco PB[reply]
Resolved
It's not just autooxidation. Unless the gasoline is stored under vacuum or an inert atmosphere, it will be exposed to the air and react with oxygen over time. Also, gasoline sold as fuel is not pure gasoline; it contains various fuel additives. In a lot of countries this will include ethanol. This forms an emulsion, and as it sits the components slowly separate into phases; if you then try to run an engine on this, it can clog the fuel system or fail to burn in the engine. Fuel stabilizers contain things like emulsifiers to inhibit this separation. --47.146.63.87 (talk) 19:53, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Couldn't that problem be simply resolved by stirring the fuel so that the components re-combine? -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 21:33, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe. First step: drain the whole fuel tank and fuel system. Hopefully you don't leave any gums or other residue behind, because now you need the fuel system flushed as well. The original question asked about a gasoline-powered lawnmower. --47.146.63.87 (talk) 07:37, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Autoxidation is an irreversible chemical process. Stirring may perhaps reduce the adverse impact of the fuel containing gum precipitate, but it will not dissolve the gum.  --Lambiam 08:40, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

June 19

magnetic field and steel box

If I have a reed switch inside a plastic box, I can actuate the switch with a magnet on the outside of the box. Can I do that if it is a metal box (sheet steel)? I suspect not, but thought I'd ask. If the steel box can work conditionally on the magnet being stronger, that is ok. Application: electronic lock. Thanks. 2602:24A:DE47:BB20:50DE:F402:42A6:A17D (talk) 00:05, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sheet steel is surprisingly bad at stopping the field from a magnet. You might be able to use the same magnet, but might need a stronger magnet. --Guy Macon (talk) 04:13, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, I'll give it a try when I can. 2602:24A:DE47:BB20:50DE:F402:42A6:A17D (talk) 19:07, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

June 20

Is the dominant hand more, equal or less sensitive?

Which hand is more sensitive for physical feeling, is it is the dominant hand (which is the right side for most of the people) or non-dominant hand? In other words, I can ask if there's a correlation between the dominance of the hand to its quality of sensation or not? --ThePupil (talk) 01:11, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

What does your own experience tell you? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots08:18, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
A person's "own experience" would be, at best, a subjective anecdote. Do you consider that appropriate for a science reference desk? 2A01:E34:EF5E:4640:2C28:10B6:13A1:E56 (talk) 09:48, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It's a useful starting point. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots11:36, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
This is a (not peer-reviewed) report on a 2014 California State Science Fair project that found a slight but significantly higher touch sensitivity in the dominant hand. Another study appears to show that right-handed males have lower pain sensitivity in their dominant hands, while no difference was found for left-handed males or females. So the answer may depend on (a) the kind of sensitivity; (b) the gender of the subject; (c) the handedness of the subject.  --Lambiam 08:24, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]