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Does anybody have a source for the alleged comments made on NewsTalk and the alleged lawsuit under Incitement to Hatred being brought in that case? There are sources for the first paragraph, but we have to verify any allegations made if true and delete untrue ones, as per Wikipedia:BLP. Autarch (talk) 12:22, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Removed that para just now. Per WP:BLP, and as its unsourced and speculative "a resident... is to make a complaint...". As and when s/he has done so, its been investigated and the oucome reported in the news or an annual report, it can be included, but until then, I don't think so. Bastun^{BaStun not BaTsun} 14:08, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I'm not sure how to use this website. Kevin Myers did make the comment in question. I have filed a complaint to the Gardai. Hope I am using the webpage correctly, if not, it's ok to delete my post. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Saintpadraig (talk • contribs) 18:49, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Saintpadraig. I've reverted your edit again. I'm absolutely assuming good faith here - although I've no doubt Myers did make the remarks you claim - including them would be a breach of a couple of policies - namely WP:BLP, WP:V and WP:COI. Assuming the Gardaí were to act on your complaint and that the outcome was reported, then someone else, other than you, could include it. If Newstalk has a podcast link to the segment in question, then you could include the first part of the deleted paragraph if you include that link as a source. Regards, Bastun^{BaStun not BaTsun} 21:21, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi,

The citation given for the deleted paragraph does not support the claim that Myers is homophobic. It was a newspaper column by the subject of this article, which was about political correctness in the press and society. For it to support such a claim, he would actually have to say outright, "I am homophobic" - which he clearly did not. It is not enough for an wikipedia editor to read an article, and find that it is self-evidently biased in one way or another.

This is a WP:BLP, one cannot read a writer's articles, dislike the content and then write on wikipedia that that man is "homophobic" - itself a libellous and outrageous claim. As per WP:Sources, to state that he is homophobic here one must have multiple, reliable, non-partisan sources. Thank you Ktlynch (talk) 21:09, 3 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Could contributors to the article please provide sources for their claims, as per WP:BLP.Autarch (talk) 20:12, 9 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Myers is referred to as Colonel Myarse or Kevin Myarse reguarly in the Phoenix. I find it odd that this was removed given the fact that on the Peter Carter-Ruck article it mentions the fact that he was referred to as "Carter-Fuck" or "Farter-Fuck" by Private Eye magazine.ĵ

Exiledone (talk) 15:43, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Juvenile and puerile humour, or repeating of same, is not appropriate here. Snappy (talk) 17:58, 11 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Well put. Ceoil 17:48, 12 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You're not exactly answering my point given the fact that the Peter Carter Ruck article mentions he was referred to as "Carter-Fuck" of "Farter-Fuck", which I think would be considered more "Juvenile and puerile" than "Colonel Myarse".

Can we just mention the fact that he is a fairly regular target of satire. Exiledone (talk) 13:06, 14 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have a source for that? Obviously other than the Phoenix. Please be aware of WP:BLP. Snappy (talk) 14:48, 14 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No way are we going down the Farter-Fuck route. But given he is a professional controversialist, and earns money that way, I'd mention satire, but not repeat it. Ceoil 15:24, 14 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, and just because other crap exists does not mean it is to be repeated elsewhere. Snappy (talk) 00:27, 15 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Not only does other crap exist, but its a constant fight to keep it out. Explaining basic decency to idiots. Ceoil 00:51, 15 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Dont refer to me as an idiot Ceoil. Also if you want to explain basic decency to idiots my advice is to explain it to the subject of the article.

Exiledone (talk) 12:00, 24 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have struck your personal opinion of the living subject of the article - please be aware WP:BLP applies to talk pages just as much as the article space and that the talkpages of living subjects in not a place for you to vocalize your dislike or opinions about the subject. Off2riorob (talk) 16:14, 31 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This edit, though it removed a section called Style, removed a section which described some of his views. This edit, though made to remove mere mention of a column, removed mention of a column that Myers' then employer refused to publish, as well as removing some mention of his political views about the USA.Autarch (talk) 23:00, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

As a colummnist, Meyers likely has a view on every subject imaginable. How should we determine which of his views are notable, and which are not. The easiest way is to look at what others have written about his views. In the section I removed, there wasn't anything written by others. The bit about his employer refusing to publish a column needs a source, because there wasn't one at all. Kevin (talk) 02:18, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Here's a couple:

Bank heist is snooze to the 'Irish Times'

Row over Myers' Irish Times column continues to blaze - "An article in which he blamed the IRA for the bank robbery in Belfast - before similar allegations were made by Northern Ireland police chief Hugh Orde - was not published." Autarch (talk) 22:07, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Here's a couple more on a different topic - the "bastards" controversy:

Waters to sue Irish Times on Myers slur

Of Gonzos, Bastards And Other Controversial Matters

I'll see what else I can dig up over the next few weeks.Autarch (talk) 22:16, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Does WP:BLP apply to past edits - specifically edits that would be legally actionable? In other words, would WP:BLP mean that defamatory edits need to be purged from the history of an article?Autarch (talk) 00:40, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It's extraordinary that this has been removed from this page, given its role in his infamy and ultimate departure from The Irish Times. Also, his very controversial views of Bloody Sunday, travellers, Irish and Irish nationalists have also been sources of the same infamy. This article seems to have whitewashed them all, leaving readers without a full appreciation of the sheer genius that is Sir Kevin Myers, the ultimate supertroll. 93.107.2.255 (talk) 10:31, 20 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi,

I'm Mark Tighe from The Sunday Times. Kevin Myers would like where he lives deleted from this page. He has concerns about his personal safety and would prefer if the exact town he lives in was not on this page. The fact that he lives in Co Kildare should be specific enough without causing him his current concern.

Mark

mark.tighe@sunday-times.ie Toffeeman34 (talk) 13:05, 27 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Mark, thats removed now. Ceoil (talk) 13:50, 27 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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I'm aware that "holocaust denier" can be a contentious label, so is this BBC article sufficient RS? The relevant part of the article text reads "In 2009, Mr Myers wrote a column for the Irish Independent newspaper denying the Holocaust happened." It doesn't use the exact words "holocaust denier" to describe him, so I figured I should query that before reverting MPS1992's revert of the holocaust denier category. The source is already linked in the article, currently #11 in the reflist. Marianna251TALK 14:50, 30 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I'm curious about the "labelled". It seems Myers used some deliberately provocative word games in the article where he denied six million died, and denied the Holocaust happened (he said it is not exactly six-million and this was just a rounded figure, and then took the meaning of holocaust from before Hitler's atrocities, rather than its current use to mean the Shoah). After this he basically went to accept that the Holocaust happened in the way the historical consensus has it. I think he was making a point about free speech and what he sees as liberal hypocrisy, as well as trying to cause offence as usual.

Then the Guardian quoted Myers' original article out of context and made it look like Myers is indeed a Holocaust denier. But they didn't label him a Holocaust denier, as he probably isn't, however much an anti-Semitic shit he is.

So I'm not sure if the use of the word "labelled" is OR. --Mongreilf (talk) 15:00, 30 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]