User talk:Imoeng: Difference between revisions

Hi Imoeng, welcome back. How was your exam? Hope it went well ;-)

Yes, Tourism in Indonesia is failed for GA. It's a pity. It says the major issues is the prose of the article. Well, this is my weakness as my English is not as good as others. It might also caused by collaboration week that the flow of the story is not smooth. I think we need someone who read the entire article to rewrite the prose. There is also a major weakness from GA review about NPOV, that the article is viewed more as promotional article. I have to admit that I did it also in this article, as the reviewer pointed one POV sentence in the lead section. I've fixed the lead section, but I guess there are more in the content. I'll try to add more other non-promotional text from tourism development policy articles.

However it does not mean that the article cannot reach GA status. Rewording, phrasing and removing promotional sentences can lead this article to GA. I've been a member of GA project now (well, to know more about something, just get involve in it ;-), and I think it's depend on the reviewer, but the most important thing for an article to be GA is to be in a nice prose for common readers, inline citations and neutral.

Oops, sorry for a long message. Nice to have you back. ;-) — Indon (reply) — 08:36, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wohoo, I envy you. I am in a middle of crisis here to submit a paper (in real life) before Oct. 1. Well, it's not an issue about portal news. It just somebody yesterday added news item without its source. You know, about the execution. I asked him to take it from portal news southeast asia, as has been agreed that is what we are going to update the news. And this morning as a news item about this execution appeared in the portal news southeast asia, he reverted back portal indonesia news to his edit, but it is his edits not taken from southeast asia news. Thus I removed his edits and copy pasted news from southeast asia news. I've added a bit of instruction in Portal:Indonesia/Indonesia_news that items should be exact quotations from southeast asia news. That's it. — Indon (reply) — 08:46, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, I'm fine. I'm just finishing my sahur today ;-). Well, I do also think Tourism in Indonesia needs to be reorganized somehow. I agree with you. Sadly, Toraja was also failed for GA last weekend, but I've renominated again this morning. See if it passes this time. I'll help you with the Tourism article this afternoon. — Indon (reply) — 04:07, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

1. Ah, forgive me. Maaf lahir batin and happy fasting too. How's fasting in Australia? It should be shorter now, I believe, than Europe.
2. WP:HD: Perhaps we should not use this peacock words, such as most beautiful beaches, most popular forests. Well, I did write those sentences. How about if we make this article our project, but we need to split the text, like you do the Nature, I'll do the Culture, or anything. So to avoid off-edit conflicts.
3. Portal: I saw both picture and article appear in the portal. I think they are working now.

— Indon (reply) — 08:03, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It looks good, but honestly I don't have time to edit this time. I'll do the copyedit tonight after buka, hahaha. BTW, it seems that you like your new toy ;-). I wish there are more WP tools for mac. — Indon (reply) — 10:53, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

For a start, many thanks for patrolling against vandalism. However, I wouldn't classify that edit as being vandalism at all. However, it is good to see that people are on patrol. --Midnighttonight remind to go do uni work! 10:20, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Imoeng! I'm glad to see you're back on Wikipedia. Unfortunately, due to upcoming exams which will end on 12 October, I will be sporadically editing, and will have insufficient time to respond to feedback requests on RFF. I noticed that since you have returned, you have not been responding to feedback requests. Could you please continue to respond to feedback requests? We will need to find other experienced editors to respond to requests, or there will be a huge backlog. Imoeng, Tangotango and Saxifrage used to respond regularly to requests; what happened to them? I think two other users - Commander Keane and Richardshusr - would also be interested. We need experienced users who are familiar with Wikipedia policy and friendly to newcomers. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 14:43, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Imoeng. Hope you are comming back from your break soon - the Indonesia wikiproject has slowed down without you :-)

I'd like your opinion on the appropriate stucture for Indonesian province pages. Someone has gone through alot of the province pages recently and created disambiguation pages. So if you go to Riau it is now a disambiguation page, instead of the page for the province. Doing this has also broken dozens (or hundreds) of links to these pages. I think for most provinces like Riau the term is primary associated with the province and so the province page should be directly associated with the term. This follows the same arguement which allowed Java to link to the Java (island) page instead of to a disambiguation page.

The pages in question are Riau, Jambi, Riau Islands, Yogyakarta, etc. Since your an Indonesian, you would be a better judge to decide if its approapriate to be linking directly to the province pages or to disambiguation pages. Let me know what you think. I've already nominated some of these pages to be moved back to where they were, so you can vote on their talk pages when you get a chance. Cheers. (MichaelJLowe 08:13, 26 September 2006 (UTC))[reply]

Thanks for your comments. My opinion is that the disambiguation pages should moved to "Name (Disambiguation)" and the provice pages then moved back to where they were. Then, at the top of each province page we put a link to the Disambiguation page. This is as per Java. Regarding Jambi, I think that each of the links there is of minor significance compared to the province. All that is required to get these pages moved is to register your vote on the Talk page of each of the province pages. The admins will decide if to move the page based on the voting. (MichaelJLowe 11:04, 26 September 2006 (UTC))[reply]

Again, somebody really likes to disrupt the peace here... hehehe. Let me know first what is the procedure with disambiguation pages. I'm not expert on that. If there is some kind of voting, could you please let me know where it is? I think I would vote Riau as Riau (province), Jambi as Jambi (province) and Yogyakarta as Yogyakarta (city). — Indon (reply) — 10:45, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yogyakarta is the worst. The Yogyakarta (city) is now disappeared into this disambiguation page. Try to click the link, it is redirected back to this disambiguation page. — Indon (reply) — 11:02, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Indon, see the previous section I wrote above. I've already started the process to get these pages moved back. Please register your vote at Riau (province), Jambi (province) and Riau Islands (province). Yogyakarta is an interesting case, and I'm happy to leave it other people to decide whether it should be Yogyakarta (province) or Yogyakarta (city). Maybe the province is better because it has wider scope? (MichaelJLowe 11:09, 26 September 2006 (UTC))[reply]

Is there any city called Yogyakarta?? Ahahah, I'm not good at social sciences. Cheers -- Imoeng 11:14, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

:-) One of the interesting cases of the Indonesian government naming several different levels of government with the same name. So there is the Yogyakarta Special Region and then within this the Yogyakarta city. (MichaelJLowe 11:24, 26 September 2006 (UTC))[reply]

Yeah and I don't even know what is the difference between Jakarta and DKI Jakarta. Its very confusing. Oh, sorry to reply here, I'm finding references for Indonesia. Be right back. Cheers -- Imoeng 11:32, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Here is the details of how to request a page be moved Wikipedia:Requested_moves (MichaelJLowe 11:38, 26 September 2006 (UTC))[reply]

This is how I originally had my Contents page set up until another user said the following remarks. The use of headings is overkill when the information under it is only a couple of lines. You could combine most of the information under two headings ("History" and "School Life" for example). Coupled with that you currently have information that has no connection to the headings placed below them. (e.g. "Exams ...Lady Davina Lewis and Lady Rose Windsor also attended the school" - what does that have to do with exams?)

Should I leave the page as is or change the contents to History, School Life, Reference and External Links? Cowarth 18:31, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Imoeng, please vote for this move at Yogyakarta (special region) (MichaelJLowe 23:53, 26 September 2006 (UTC))[reply]

Hello. I want to write (stub) articles about Indonesian Regencies and Cities. Give me feedback on my proposal. Thanx. wic2020^{talk bicara} 02:27, 27 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Imoeng, I absolutely agree with you. Thats why I've nominated Indonesia as the next collaboration. (MichaelJLowe 09:51, 27 September 2006 (UTC))[reply]

Imoeng, I can't promise you anything right now. I'm a bit busy with my real life. I'll get back to you later, but I'm with you ;-). — Indon (reply) — 09:59, 27 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Agre also. ONly detail I would suggest is just the order you do it. Say copy the info to History of Indonesia article, get it right, then you can edit the History section in Indonesia til it is good. Sorry to suggest it again, but look at the history section of Australia. OK, maybe the subject matter is a bit dull compared to Indonesia's history, but it is very well written - IMO. --Merbabu 13:06, 27 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Imoeng. I'm feeling guilty to you. Now, I owe you 3 comments on Tourism in Indonesia, Indonesia and History of Indonesia. I'll make it up to you as soon as (I'm) possible (to go back to WP). I'm very very sorry. ;-) — Indon (reply) — 13:55, 28 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

ha ha - I'm feeling guilty too. Anyway, nice work on the history section in Indonesia. i did some quick editing and it still needs some work i think, but you did a huge effort and got us going in the right direction. I'd like to do more, but I am going away for a few days. --Merbabu 00:18, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, a new editor by the name of Spy Guy did some strange edits to Western New Guinea. I don't know whether he just didn't know and they were good faith edits, or whether it was some kind of POV vandalism. I think it was an honest error but not sure. Can you keep an eye on that page while I am away for the next few days. thanks. --Merbabu 00:22, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Imoeng, good start on the history section. I don't have time for a detailed review right now, but here are a few comments anyway: comparing the section to that for the India and Australia history sections I think there is still too much detail, particularly in the last paragraph. For example, I would get rid of the list of presidents post Suharto. You could however mention briefly the reform process, militant Islamcism (+terrorism) and the spate of natural disasters. (MichaelJLowe 01:39, 29 September 2006 (UTC))[reply]

Also, I would change either the VOC picture or the pepper picture to somethign which represents the pre-Dutch history, eg. Borobudur (MichaelJLowe 03:28, 29 September 2006 (UTC))[reply]

Thank you. You will also make a lot of GAs, believe me. ;-) Anyway, I've been brave to put the article in FAC and as I'd expected that it would get a lot of objections. Actually, I've a side mission in the FAC, that is to get more inputs. You know that FA reviewers are known as the toughest in WP and sometimes the most ridiculous ones, hahaha. I'd put the article in PR, but the feedback is less than I'd expected. Anyway, thanks. — Indon (reply) — 13:03, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm fine :).

1. It's all in User:Celestianpower/monobook.js. If it's not, I can't help you further. Sorry.
2. Add {{User:Celestianpower/Float}} to your userpage :).

Thanks and kind regards, —Celestianpower ^háblame 21:16, 30 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've been looking over some options and I'd like to suggest you contactb Wikipedia:Wikiproject grammar. The do have a general category for pages that need copyediting, but perhaps if you left a special request on the project talk page they'd prioritize your article since it's so near GA and FA. Best wishes, Durova 04:11, 1 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]