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the placement of the Awards and Decorations is skewed by the photo. can that be fixed? i'm sure it can. i just don't know how. Kingturtle 03:55 May 4, 2003 (UTC)

Did that help? -- Zoe

In my browser (Explorer 6.00), Awards and Decorations and its first bullet are pushed to the middle by the image. The remaining bullets are below the image, and aligned to the left. Kingturtle 04:15 May 4, 2003 (UTC)

Huh. I'm using 6.0.2, and it looks okay to me. -- Zoe

Images are tricky darn things to place at the best of times. We seem to have a variety of proto-policies floating around here and there, but nothing definitive. (Which is quite possibly a good thing, as we need to leave room for experiment and adjustment to suit particular entries.) My rule of thumb is, if in doubt, find an image that Adrian has placed, and cut & paste my code from that. Adrian has specialised in this area and become very good at it. Tannin 04:44 May 4, 2003 (UTC)

I think it looks really good there, fills up the whitespace. Hephaestos 04:45 May 4, 2003 (UTC)

Looks fine to me. I think one of the problems is that sometimes the asterisk bullet-points wiki format goes on to photos or tables where text would not. Minor glitch? Usually can be worked around. -- Infrogmation 05:35 May 4, 2003 (UTC)

Another trouble is that that particular image is poorly cropped, which makes the image look imbalanced, and weighted...heavy...with that tiny head on top and that large plane below. Because of the imbalance within the image, I think it will be difficult to find the right way to place it in the article. I realize why the choice was made to use the photo, but I'd like to see a close up of Tibbets. Kingturtle 05:40 May 4, 2003 (UTC)

I agree, KT. That's one of the reasons I placed it down near the bottom of the entry, because it doesn't look quite so odd down there. One of those fool-the-eye things. Speaking in general, though, it's good to have some images that are not your boring standard head & shoulders, look-the-camera-in-the-eye, passport-photo type of things. Variety is the spice of like. Tannin

'This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Paul Tibbets article. This is NOT a *forum* for general discussion about the article's subject.' ~ Wiki

The statement in your article about no regret for the decesion to drop the atom bomb implies it was Tibbet's decision. Truman gave the order to drop the bomb and sealed the fate of the Japanies civilians and of Tibbets...I think Tibbets meant hell yes I would do it again if my country called. Can we take out that statement? Mike Franke, baby boomer —Preceding unsigned comment added by Franke (talk • contribs) 09:53, October 24, 2005

I have enjoyed the use of wikipedia for some time now. I am grateful for the information that is made available to the public. I read the wikipedia biography of Gen Tibbets. I am disappointed in the statement that he is a mass murderer. [EDIT: I deleted the latter half of what *was* a polemic.] LM —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.160.108.237 (talk • contribs)

• That vandalism was added only moments ago. I have reverted. -N 23:22, 28 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

we should also remove "This shows up his ignorance of the situation, alternative solutions, the suffering that was caused and the obvious fact that America was responsible for starting the war in the first place."

for accuracy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Snackdrag (talk • contribs) 16:01, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

it should be acknowledged that if you go to any bookstore in the US you will have a hard time knowing about the number of people killed if the bombing (personal experience looking specifically at that in Barnes, all the Nobels et al. so it's no convincing proof, "hell yeah"). Gen Tibbets was just one guy, wikipedia has the power to say how much, how harmful it was. for accuracy.

Deleted line that stated "He expressed no remorse over his ruthless murder of hundreds of thousands". Otcconan (talk) 06:13, 16 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Mass murderer characterization", i think it should be mentioned, that he in fact with Frederick C. Bock is the worst mass murderers ever lived. Each killing tens of thousands, in seconds, and the after effects. 91.154.204.152 (talk) 02:58, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If this is added, it will get reverted. This is nothing more the POV pushing as is mentioned above. Please do not add it to this article. Davidpdx (talk) 11:45, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mass murderer. Fact. What is mentioned in the article? Revan ltrl (talk) 18:06, 21 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I mean, wikipedia has a lot of fun facts in countless articles; why not add some to this one? Revan ltrl (talk) 18:12, 21 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The revert warring needs to be stopped. ++Lar: t/c 21:46, 1 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please restrict any comments here to those dedicated to improving the article. All others will be removed. Thank you. --John 22:35, 1 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

BBC: "Gen Tibbets said it was not meant as an insult but the US government formally apologised."

Wikipedia: "Tibbets said it was not meant as an insult, but the U.S. government formally apologized when Japan complained" Bhudson 01:53, 2 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have semiprotected this article for a short while to see if the persistent POV pushing edits will diminish. ++Lar: t/c 02:29, 2 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks to whomever got the ball rolling on removing/redoing the opening line, "Gen. Tibbets is a war criminal..." and beyond...Individuals are welcome to their opinions and claims, but they have no place in an encyclopedia... Paul W. Tibbets was never tried (or accused) of war crimes, or crimes against humanity, and ...guessing the outcome of a trial that never happened,...violates Wiki's "No original research" policy. The political climate and people's opinions 60 years later [cannot] be considered impartial sources. I applaud those who are able to make an effort towards NPOV and let everyone make up their own mind..--Legomancer 03:45, 2 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Who edited my comments? The revision reads a little cleaner for the intended purpose of NPOV content on the page. Next time at least put a note and sign/date it. I thought the additional info was relevant and supportable, but would have been open to discussion regarding it.--Legomancer 13:39, 11 November 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Legomancer (talk • contribs)

The current text in the wikipedia entry states that Tibbet wanted to be cremated and have his ashes spread over the english channel. I was listening to NPR and heard an old interview with Tibbet in which he mentioned that he wanted to be cremated and have his ashes spread over the atlantic ocean since his most peaceful moments in his life were when he was flying over the atlantic ocean. Since there is no source for the entry over the cremation, i suppose this change should be made.

Emortio 10:26, 2 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Obituary from his hometown newspaper (The Quincy Herald Whig) Does not state that he was cremated but instead states quoting Gerry Newhouse:

      "Tibbets had requested no funeral and no headstone, fearing it would provide his detractors with a place to protest" 

The Obituary article is located at http://www.whig.com/290193832161629.php and the Quincy Herald Whig should be listed as the reference cited. The Hearld Whig also Sites the AP (Associated Press) as hte source of some of it's material. I hope this reference is useful. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kheldarstl (talk • contribs) 14:55, 2 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I thought I'd screwed something up when I edited the statement regarding the Smithsonian's exhibit, but after checking in Firefox, I believe it's a compatibility problem with Safari. That paragraph and the one before it appear double-spaced. I believe it may actually have something to do with the edit links for the photographs to their right. They appear superimposed on the text several paragraphs above. I don't know Wikipedia's formatting enough to understand what is causing it, so I thought I would try to bring this to everyone's attention. Volfied 17:28, 2 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Gordafarid's edits. Details belong in the article. Headings should contain brief summaries. Rklawton 18:30, 6 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please don't be too positive here. Pilgrims normally go there to worship someone. Nope. The BBC gets the point perfectly: [1] Gen Tibbets had asked for no funeral nor headstone as he feared opponents of the bombing may use it as a place of protest. Yep. Exactly. I'd vote for changing the silly "pilgrimage" term into "protest", since it's about opponents, not sympathizers. -andy 77.7.6.222 (talk) 13:46, 8 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you 100%. As the grandson of one of the other crew members, this was an issue. My grandfather, who passed away this year, also made the choice to be cremated and have his ashes spread at an undisclosed location. While I don't even know for sure where they were spread (I have an idea), I do know this was because of possible protests.

Anyone know why he wanted his ashes scattered in the English Channel? Did he have a connection with France or England or the Channel in particular? Was it a faraway place from the US? Or just a random choice? 86.150.97.36 (talk) 15:20, 11 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I believe General Tibbets flew some missions in Europe. This only speculation, but my guess would be it was a place he loved. You could look up the page on him and ask his grandson. Davidpdx (talk) 13:12, 12 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I guess it is because he flew a number of bombing raids over Germany from English airfields and on the return journey once you were over the English Channel you knew you were safe, no more enemy guns to shoot you down and if you ran out of fuel or suffered mechanical failure you came down amongst friends. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.148.132.38 (talk) 10:59, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This guy is one of my distant relatives! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Curvebill (talk • contribs) 19:35, 31 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I believe that Col Tibbets once said that " war can never be justified - war is immoral". Could someone validate this statement and include it in the article? Eric