Talk:Hans-Hermann Hoppe: Difference between revisions

You can listen to a lecture entailing Dr. Hoppe's "controversial" reference to homosexuals and time preference here: http://www.mises.org/multimedia/mp3/hoppe/4.mp3

Williamcv: Why is it that you've undone my edits? It is not in any way unbiased for this page to have unchallenged criticism of Prof. Hoppe. The responses of those criticzed and those defending Hoppe should be included in this article. Either that, or the entire tripe insinuating that Prof. Hoppe is a fascist should be removed.

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• He also generated controversy by an interview in the far-right German nationalist newspaper Junge Freiheit, leading to German libertarians denouncing him for "associating with individuals who do have a clear anti-liberal agenda and joining the circles of the many holocaust-deniers and racists interviewed by JF."

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• He also generated controversy by an interview in the far-right German nationalist newspaper Junge Freiheit, leading to German libertarians denouncing him for associating with anti-liberal individuals (from Tom Palmer's website). However, others have argued that such is "all nothing more than meaningless...guilt by association" and character-assasination. Paul Gottfried has defended Junge Freiheit against the charges of near-fascism.

That change seems to seriously alter the meaning without purpose. The German libertarians did not, I am fairly sure, denounce "him for associating with anti-liberal individuals (from Tom Palmer's website)." Also, you removed half of the quote. I don't think that we should be using blogs as original sources. The original version merely uses the Palmer site as a source for the translation - we can get it elsewhere. -Willmcw 05:25, July 22, 2005 (UTC)

The claim is that the JH is anti-liberal, and the insinuation is that Hoppe is some kind of fascist for daring to accept an interview offer there. Also, Palmer's "site" is a blog. And his "site" is anything but unbiased. Presenting his slander unchallenged is making the article completely non-neutral. Also, I added other information about Prof. Hoppe, such as some of his contributions, that was deleted. Furthermore, he's not translating an official publication. He's translating e-mails or comments sent to him from Germany, and his selection "criteria" is obviously to only accept negative comments. If you're going to use his meritless unscholarly slander-blog as a source of "criticism", then you should also allow for counter-arguments via blog. You aren't going to find a scholarly article responding to Palmer's character-assasinations. -- David Heinrich

If blogs are bad sources, then your entire reference to Palmer's blog should be deleted as junk, which I've done. You can't have it both ways.

• No sources for claims that Hoppe "generated" controversy by his immigration views, or his Junge Freiheit interview. So I have deleted this. Re his UNLV controversy, I added a link to the open letter signed by over 1700 academics, scholars, and others in support of Hoppe. Stephan Kinsella 16:47, 22 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• • • The text which was on Palmer's blog is just stuff sent to him, so it is appropriate to remove. The fact that he held the interview is verifiable and should stay. -Willmcw 17:15, July 22, 2005 (UTC)

• Where is there a "source" for the contention that the interview was *controversial*? Find one, or remove the reference, which is otherwise inexplicable. Stephan Kinsella 17:40, 22 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I've deleted "controversial" in the description of Hoppe as a "controversial" anarcho-capitalist. To the extent his views are controversial because they are anarcho-capitalist, this is redundant. So "controversial" here is NPOV, because it must imply that he is more controversial than average or than other typical anarchists. But he is not, and there is no evidence of this. People who know Hopppe think of him as innovative and brilliant, perhaps, but not as "controversial". The mere fact that a couple of politically correct, hypersensitive bloggers insult him because they disagree with his views does not make him "controversial." NSKinsella (Stephan Kinsella) 19:10, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I've added it back. See the quote on this page: http://blog.mises.org/blog/archives/003489.asp. -Willmcw 07:07, August 2, 2005 (UTC)

Whatever dude. I may add a NPOV tag later, after I ponder this. I think it's out of place and insulting for you to put it there, as if that describes who he is. Later on you can say some of his views are controversial, but I guess that would not be a visible enough slam, would it? NSKinsella (Stephan Kinsella) 16:43, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

the first reference as Hoppe being a controversional libertarian should be removed from this article. this is an encyclopedia, and not a shoutfest. the text about Hoppe's lecture could be rewritten a little bit more discretely. the addition of the junge freiheit as it is currently written adds nothing - Hoppe has held these views long before the interview - and seems only to be a declaration of guilty by association. Intangible 00:06, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

What does Hoppe's description as "controversial libertarian" have to do wuith this being an encyclopedia? How could the lecture discussion be any more discrete? It's a short sentence now. Hoppe's long-standing views are important to include in his biography. -Willmcw 03:00, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Funny. I guess the following doesn't apply when the subject is a conservative or libertarian:

There is an extensive discussion of the controversy later. In general, adding "controversial" to the lead sentence is like adding "famous". Better just to describe the subject than to apply epithets. -Willmcw July 6, 2005 03:47 (UTC)[1]

Or does that only apply when it's a leftist group that Willmcw personally approves of like the Southern Poverty Law Center?Rangerdude 07:32, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]