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...for the "updatification" on github. I'm just getting started with [[regex]], so your help was very much appreciated! It's definitely a powerful tool, and I'm looking forward to doing more with it in the future. —'''[[User:Theopolisme|< |
...for the "updatification" on github. I'm just getting started with [[regex]], so your help was very much appreciated! It's definitely a powerful tool, and I'm looking forward to doing more with it in the future. —'''[[User:Theopolisme|< =#232323>Theopolisme</>]] < =#4F4F4F>([[User talk:Theopolisme|< =#4F4F4F>talk</>]])</>''' 00:34, 19 April 2013 (UTC) |
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I won't edit war it - but when that image gets moved to commons, I'll wager it won't last a day with '''Previously published: http://oheltorah.com/about-us/''' in the description. '''[[User:Ronhjones|<span style="border:1px solid;color:#dfdfdf; padding:1px;background:#00f">< |
I won't edit war it - but when that image gets moved to commons, I'll wager it won't last a day with '''Previously published: http://oheltorah.com/about-us/''' in the description. '''[[User:Ronhjones|<span style="border:1px solid;color:#dfdfdf; padding:1px;background:#00f">< ="green"> Ron< ="red">h</>jones </></span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Ronhjones| (Talk)]]</sup> 23:44, 22 April 2014 (UTC) |
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:I'm glad you're not going to edit war. <!-- That's a good thing, since, as I explained in detail, you abused F11 - despite the URL given. And besides, you didn't honor your commitment on your page, "If you leave a new message on this page, I will reply on this page unless you ask me to reply elsewhere.".--> --[[User:Elvey|Elvey]] ([[User talk:Elvey#top|talk]]) 01:37, 23 April 2014 (UTC) |
:I'm glad you're not going to edit war. <!-- That's a good thing, since, as I explained in detail, you abused F11 - despite the URL given. And besides, you didn't honor your commitment on your page, "If you leave a new message on this page, I will reply on this page unless you ask me to reply elsewhere.".--> --[[User:Elvey|Elvey]] ([[User talk:Elvey#top|talk]]) 01:37, 23 April 2014 (UTC) |
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Funny[edit]We were probably both reading § at the same time. Personally, I think the symbol is better when referring to legal code, so I'm with you.--Kubigula (talk) 02:55, 11 September 2007 (UTC) Symcor[edit]Hi Elvey -- this is the complete contents of the deleted article: "Symcor is a leading North American provider of check processing, payment processing, statement production and document management services." That's all. It was even tagged as a copyvio. Let me know if you need any other help (or if the article you want is under another name). Good luck, Antandrus (talk) 20:37, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Public_domain[edit]See my edit here and explanation here. Follow-up on the that talk page, please. TJRC (talk) 21:51, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
to note[edit]That template is talking about the public domain. Because of how complicated US law is, something may be in the public domain outside of the US due to age, but not inside the US because they do not accept the rule of the shorter term and use different term rules. ViperSnake151 22:57, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
7:57, 26 January 2009 Stifle (Talk | contribs) deleted "File:Phillipbrutus.jpg" (FFD Jan 14)[edit]I wish to challenge your deletion of an image.
Court ruling trumps copyright notice on the page where the image is found. Please consider restoring this image. End the message with your signature, obtained by typing ~ four times. Template should do this.
Signature templates - TFD[edit]I proposed deletion of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Signatures/X30ffx and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Signatures/Qsung using Twinkle and it seems I ran into a bug. It seems they're being used to (I assume inadvertently) violate http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Signature#Transclusion_of_templates. DIV window stays up with this in it; relevant sub-pages don't seem to have been created properly. Tagging template with deletion tag: completed (Template:Signatures/X30ffx) Adding discussion to today's list: failed to find target spot for the discussion Notifying initial contributor (X30ffx): completed (User talk:X30ffx) --Elvey (talk) 23:09, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
Florida Copyright Status[edit]Hi Elvay, I just noticed you had a lively discussion recently on State-of-Florida copyright status. I just had some contributions tagged for deletion. I have also cited the Microdecisions case as an argument. Perhaps you would be interested in participating in the TfD/AfD/revision discussions? w:Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Florida#TfD and Talk:Copyright status of work by the Florida government. Thanks. Gamweb (talk) 04:49, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for edits to MD5[edit]Bonus points for tracking down the US-CERT statement that MD5 is flat-out broken -- I had wanted a clear statement in there about how broken MD5 is, but the nearest thing I had found was the NIST policy on moving to SHA-2. When there's a sufficiently powerful preimage attack, maybe I can invert your MD5 real-world identity commitment and send beer. (Kidding, of course, that would take an incredible attack and would be really creepy besides, but, you know, insert better MD5 joke here.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.121.146.167 (talk) 16:28, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
Milw0rm restoration[edit]Hello LV, what you see in User:Gloriamarie/Milw0rm is the fully restored page. I had done a page move, and you can check the 100+ revisions in the history. The page has meta information missing because a user messed up the article and didn't know how to revert the changes, so he simply copied the viewable content of a previous version as the content. Jay (talk) 09:09, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
I had to adjust one of your pages, sorry[edit]I had to adjust tags on User:Elvey/Text that were causing the page to appear in categories. Please use nowiki tags in the future instead of noinclude. Remember also, [[Category:Image_maintenance_templates]] and [[:Category:Image_maintenance_templates]] are two very different things! --RabidDeity (talk) 06:53, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
Context: I noticed what appears to be some highly disruptive editing and tried to bring it to admin attention. I got admin Tonywalton's attention...: Does this comment mean that the entry on WP:AIV can be removed? If so, it's easy enough to edit the page without tools - just delete the line and save the page, just like any other page ☺ Tonywalton Talk 21:42, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
SVGs vs. PNGs[edit]All SVGs are served to readers as PNGs.
So you actually made the image larger for readers.... --MZMcBride (talk) 00:48, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
"California County Hoarding Map Data Ordered to Pay $500,000"[edit]I thought you'd be interested in this: California County Hoarding Map Data Ordered to Pay $500,000. TJRC (talk) 19:15, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Merging Identity theft and Identity fraud[edit]We can justify separate articles because they're separate offences. Identity theft involves borrowing an entire identity, usually in a way that then makes it inaccessible to the legitimate holder. Identity fraud is a more "lightweight" approach, thus simpler to execute, far less likely to be detected, and so far more popular as a crime. There's a problem at the moment where many people are excessively worried about identity theft (a rare event) and taking measures against it that only work if it's discoverable as such. In the meantime, crooks scam and skim by using individual per-transaction frauds that evade discovery. Their purely theft-based detections fail to notice these frauds. Andy Dingley (talk) 08:25, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
Hello[edit]Regarding this, I hear I offended you and for that I offer my appologies. I reverted the npov section and meant to restore the numerical difference you cited. I recall wishing at the time that I was desiring and wanting editors to check the previous edit before making their edit to check for vandalism or other pov pushing. Alas I see that I bit you. Sorry rkmlai (talk) 14:52, 27 October 2009 (UTC) Friendly note regarding talk page messages[edit]Hello. As a recent editor to User talk:66.166.183.7, I wanted to leave a friendly reminder that as per WP:USER, editors may remove messages at will from their own talk pages. While we may prefer that comments be archived instead, policy does not prohibit users -including anonymous editors like this one- from deleting messages or warnings from their own talk pages. The only kinds of talk page messages that cannot be removed (as per WP:BLANKING) are declined unblock requests (but only while blocks are still in effect), confirmed sockpuppet notices, or shared IP header templates (for unregistered editors). However, it should be noted that these exceptions only exist in order to keep a user from potentially gaming the system. Thanks, — Kralizec! (talk) 00:34, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
Free content[edit]Hi Elvey, I'm still not sure why we are commenting on the requirement for an effective enforcement of copyright to enable monetary gain by traditional copyright holders. This, as far as I can tell, is a random factoid in a discussion of the comparison between traditional copyleft and copyright. User A1 (talk) 23:06, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
I'm declining this request for restoring, insofar that if the person is employed by the "Harvard School of Public Health" he would not be the (c) holder of these images, the school would be the (c) holder, as the images were probably created as part of his job. If they were personally created, he's going to have to go through the WP:OTRS (though the school's administration, preferably) to verify the correct (c) status of the images. Skier Dude (talk) 19:00, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
'However'[edit]Re: the revert of the edit to BlueHippo Funding. Just wondering ... does the removal of the term "however" in the article change its factual accuracy, which is the basis of an encyclopedia? FYI, I despise edit wars so I will not make any further changes. Cheers. Truthanado (talk) 16:47, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
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Would you take a look at my comment at Wikipedia:Public_domain_status_of_official_government_works#Template:PD-MTGov? Given the content of the template at the time, I would have agreed with your suggestion to redirect it to the DI tag, but I did some digging and it looks possible that it was a valid tag but with a bad rationale. -- Afiler (talk) 20:44, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
I have also commented, to the effect that they are public domain. Here's my reply. ;) Int21h (talk) 05:30, 13 April 2010 (UTC) Request[edit]Hello I need someone to create a PD tag for the Imags of the Institute of Puerto Rican Culture, an institution of the Government of Puerto Rico responsible for the establishment of the cultural policies required in order to preserve, promote, enrich, and convey the cultural values of Puerto Rico. Said images are PD and I have the confirmation of the Pueto Rican government to such respect which I can provide. If you can do it or if you can direct me to the person that has the knowledge to create such a tag, I will appreciate it and provide futher information. Tony the Marine (talk) 04:19, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
My main concern was the images of the images and the not the written content used or published by The Institute of Puerto Rican Culture. I knew that images as such are Public Domain, however, to be on the safe side I decided to contact and ask about the image PD status the Secretary of State/Lt. Governor of Puerto Rico, the Honorable Kenneth McClintock, who holds a doctorate in international law and as an authority knows about the matter and is also spokesperson for the People of Puerto Rico. Here I will publish the correspondence between us (He is fluent in English as well as Spainsh and his e-mail was in Englsh as published here).
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I will not publish his e-mail address for security reasons, however I have forwarded his e-mail address to "OTRS" in regard to this image File:01 KDM.jpg and if you have access to OTRS, you will be able to verify the interaction between us. If you can create a PD tag for the images (not the written content) of The Insititute of Puerto Rican Culture, not only will I appreciate it, but also the People of Puerto Rico. Thank you. Tony the Marine (talk) 22:57, 13 February 2010 (UTC) Second request[edit]Please check out the example of the PD template which I created for the portraits of the Puerto Ricans Governors, First Ladies, Senate Presidents, House Speakers and Military heroes, which has the permit granted by OTRS to the Puerto Rican Government, Workshop. Tony the Marine (talk) 16:48, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
Hey. Would you mind dropping by and linking the user to the "broad consensus" you mentioned, if you have a minute. I've taken the ANI thread he raised with a pinch of WP:AGF though you may have previous knowledge of the user that I don't ;) If the latter is the case, never mind, if the former is the case then I hope you don't mind dropping him a line. --SGGH ping! 17:53, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
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TAC Code[edit]I have put in a placeholder for the TAC code table. Please let me know your thoughts about this... What is your experience of TAC codes? David n m bond (talk) 12:27, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
Disputed non-free use rationale for File:BofA small print ad gaffe (in Safari).png[edit]Thank you for uploading File:BofA small print ad gaffe (in Safari).png. However, there is a concern that the rationale provided for using this file on Wikipedia may not meet the criteria required by Wikipedia:Non-free content. This can be corrected by going to the file description page and adding or clarifying the reason why the file qualifies under this policy. Adding and completing one of the templates available from Wikipedia:Non-free use rationale guideline is an easy way to ensure that your file is in compliance with Wikipedia policy. Please be aware that a non-free use rationale is not the same as an image copyright tag; descriptions for files used under the non-free content policy require both a copyright tag and a non-free use rationale. If it is determined that the file does not qualify under the non-free content policy, it might be deleted by an administrator within a few days in accordance with our criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions, please ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thank you. Magog the Ogre (talk) 08:54, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
Reviewer granted[edit]Hello. Your account has been granted the "reviewer" userright, allowing you to review other users' edits on certain flagged pages. Pending changes, also known as flagged revisions, underwent a two-month trial which ended on 15 August 2010. Its continued use is still being discussed by the community, you are free to participate in such discussions. Many articles still have pending changes protection applied, however, and the ability to review pending changes continues to be of use. Reviewers can review edits made by users who are not autoconfirmed to articles placed under level 1 pending changes and edits made by non-reviewers to level 2 pending changes protected articles (usually high traffic articles). Pending changes was applied to only a small number of articles, similarly to how semi-protection is applied but in a more controlled way for the trial. The list of articles with pending changes awaiting review is located at Special:OldReviewedPages. For the guideline on reviewing, see Wikipedia:Reviewing. Being granted reviewer rights doesn't grant you status nor change how you can edit articles even with pending changes. The general help page on pending changes can be found here, and the general policy for the trial can be found here. If you do not want this user right, you may ask any administrator to remove it for you at any time. Dabomb87 (talk) 21:45, 26 October 2010 (UTC) Sandbox[edit]Are you planning to do anything with User:Elvey/Universal Savings Bank-NeedsRestoredContentKeepHist? It hasn't been touched in 2 years. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 16:56, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
could someone get an admin to provide copies of the pages including the sources therein?
Plagiarism[edit]Hi there, you left two warnings on my talk page, and I am not entirely sure what they relate to. Could you please explain.--SasiSasi (talk) 18:27, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
Undeletion request[edit]I'm going to have to decline your request. The image would not meet WP:NFCC#1 since it is replaceable because the subject is a living person (and there's even already a picture of him in the article). However, if it's used not to illustrate the subject himself but more because it is a mugshot, I can't see how it passes WP:NFCC#8. I can't really help you with the rest: I'm not familiar with the discussion, but I presume the images using that template would have to be deleted as non-free. Maxim(talk) 01:05, 6 February 2011 (UTC) Tracfone Wireless Article.[edit]Hi Elvey :) JasonHockeyGuy here. I noticed that you may have been involved with the article on this site. This article is totally out of date and they have different support options and features since the last time the article was written. There has been also several so called claimed things associated with the company that are simply not true. I am not a employee of this company or anything but I have hopped around their different services for a while and kept tabs on their internet support offerings and the article just simply reflects the good old days of them. If you want proof of the new changes, please let me know and I can link them on your talk page so they can be updated. Even though I have been signed up with WP for some time now I still have not learned how to fully edit and do the fancy stuff some of the other editors have done. So Ill provide you with refs and other things and you get the credit for editing :) Let me know. If you reply, please let me know so on my talk page so I do not miss it. Thank you , have a wonderful week! JasonHockeyGuy (talk) 08:27, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
Hi again :) Ive turned on some editing tools on WP that I think will be able to help me as far as editing goes plus I did some copy editing in Microsoft Word. I plan in the next few days to replace the whole article with a brand new , refreshed version of it that should bring it up to date for 2011 as far as offerings and things goes. And a Tracfone Wireless first, 2011 saw 2 new phones, a QWERTY and a touch screen phone for the first time in the companies history :) Hope things are going good with you and thanks again for being so kind to me :) JasonHockeyGuy (talk) 06:51, 9 May 2011 (UTC) Malfunctioning bot annoying uploaders![edit](Bot-spam edited by Elvey) ... You don't seem to have indicated the license status [per] image copyright tags to indicate this information; to add a tag to the image, select the appropriate tag from this list... --ImageTaggingBot (talk) 19:05, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
Re: Copyvio of your original photograph by scammers[edit]Where is my photo? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 15:47, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
Your comment in Digital Blasphemy[edit]Please respond.Talk:Digital_Blasphemy#Why_is_the_importance_tag_needed_in_the_article.3F_More_opinions_please Do you agree that it is now "well sourced"? Do to the way you worded things, I'd like to get confirmation. Thanks for your third opinion. Dream Focus 00:30, 20 August 2011 (UTC) 3O on Digital Blasphemy[edit]I would point out that the tag on Digital Blasphemy was not {{failed verification}}, which would have indicated a WP:Verifiability problem, which is the 'question' you seem to have answered. It was rather {{importance-inline}}, which indicates an issue with whether the material is of any importance to the topic. The point was that it was only a bare mention, in a television show, making the not-particularly-informative and apparently hyperbolic claim that a piece of third-party computer wallpaper was "essential". Do you think that mention of this claim adds to the reader's understanding of the product and/or the company selling it? HrafnTalkStalk(P) 05:29, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
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Just a note that I moved your comment at WP:REFUND to the board's talk page which I'm guessing is where you intended to post it. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:27, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
MediaWiki:Edittools proposal at Village pump[edit]Hi. I fixed the Wikipedia: prefixes on your MediaWiki:Edittools proposal at WP:Village pump (policy)#Proposal re.: Wording change needed to stop forbidding copying of properly licensed free content. Flatscan (talk) 04:20, 4 May 2012 (UTC) The Great Revival: CVU Vandalism Studies Project[edit]Hi! We're dropping you this rather unexpected message on your talk page because you signed up (either quite a while ago or rather recently) to be a member of the Vandalism Studies project. Sadly, the project fell into semi-retirement a few years ago, but as part of a new plan to fix up the Counter-Vandalism Unit, we're bringing back the Vandalism Studies project, with a new study planned for Late 2012! But we need your help. Are you still interested in working with us on this project? Then please sign up today! (even if you signed up previously, you'll still need to sign up again - we're redoing our member list in order to not harass those who are no longer active on the Wiki - sorry!) If you have any questions, please leave them on this page. Thanks, and we can't wait to bring the project back to life! -Theopolisme (talk) & Dan653 (talk), Coordinators Coren's dogs?[edit]You might swing by Talk:Earthquake prediction#Coren's dog findings?; I have a question about your recent bold edit. ~ J. Johnson (JJ) (talk) 21:02, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
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Still not exactly clear on what we need to do[edit]Hi Elvey. Could you clarify exactly what we need the archiving bot to do? —Theopolisme 17:52, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
2 months seems a bit short--considering some threads lie unanswered for longer--I'm going to set it up now, 3 months. Thanks, —Theopolisme 20:23, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
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Ford Museum/Presidential Libraries[edit]Here's my first attempt at {{PD-USGov-PresLib}} This photograph/scan/photocopy is a work of an employee or sub-contractor of the Presidential Libraries, a branch of NARA (National Archives andRecords Administration, taken or made during the course of the person's official duties. As a work of the U.S. federal government, the image is in the public domain (17 U.S.C. § 101 and § 105).
When letters and other intellectual productions (exclusive of patented material, published works under copyright protection, and unpublished works for which copyright registration has been made) come into the custody or possession of the Archivist, the United States or its agents are not liable for infringement of copyright or analogous rights arising out of use of the materials for display, inspection, research, reproduction, or other purposes. I'll run this by the NARA Lawyers when we get far enough. Thoughts? Bdcousineau (talk) 01:59, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
Oh, and I changed the subject of this comment; we're talking about a tag for all the Presidential Libraries (you could use a separate one for the Ford stuff, but let's see if just a {{PD-USGov-PresLib}}) will do).--Elvey (talk) 21:42, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
HFCS and Health[edit]Hello Elvey. Please review the updated conversation on Neutrality at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:High-fructose_corn_syrup_and_health Thank you. Jtankers (talk) 23:34, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
Pledge seal[edit]Here you are: I think this should be what you were asking about at Wikipedia:Media copyright questions/Archive/2012/December#Impossible?. If not, let me know and I'll see what I can do about getting more/different images uploaded. VernoWhitney (talk) 20:57, 31 December 2012 (UTC) Links[edit]Hi, In the article County of Santa Clara v. California First Amendment Coalition and in its associated talk page, I see that the links for the references pointing to the website opendataconsortium.org are all broken, i.e. the reader is simply redirected to that website's home page. I tried to search that website with the terms CFAC and Santa Clara, with no result. Do you know if the documents are still somewhere on that website or if they were removed from it and/or if they are available somewhere else on the web? Thanks in advance if you can help. -- Asclepias (talk) 18:05, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
JJ ANI[edit]I've removed your copy of my comment. I did not mean it for the ANI, and you should have at minimum notified me, or more appropriately asked my permission. The outright dismissal of you and your complaint without addressing any of the issues is exactly what to expect. Take their advice: write up a much more concise complaint, provide many more diffs, be sure that most are directly related to the sanctions and past rulings from ArbCom, then take it to ArbCom enforcement. --Ronz (talk) 05:27, 7 March 2013 (UTC) <the following two comments copied from Ronz's page.>
I repeat[edit]I'd still like to know if you think a 3RR warning is meant to be given to an editor who has made 3 reverts or to an editor who has made more than 3 reverts. In the discussion about the 3RR warning I mistakenly gave you, you wrote[5] "I didn't break 3RR"(I never suggested you did) and " So even if I had violated 2RR <sic>, which I hadn't and you acknowledge I hadn't, you abused the template by using it to accuse me of edit warring." But that's wrong. If you'd "violated 2RR" ('violated' is a confusing word here as there is nothing to violate) you would be at 3RR and the template would have been appropriate - that's what it's for. Are we agreed on this? It's a bit much that you are still badgering me to do something I consider I've done and yet won't answer this question - since you are still maintaining your accusation that I abused the template. Dougweller (talk) 22:10, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
Admin ridiculousness[edit]I'm sure we all agreee ... There are lots of ridiculous claims out there ... made by fellow editors. But, we have WP:V. Few admins think WP:V doesn't apply to their contributions to the encyclopedia itself. Unfortunately, a stupid decision made by many administrators is to decide that WP:V doesn't apply when it comes to telling regular editors what to do or not do. They think that to respect their authority, other editors must take their advice, even when it isn't supported by policy - even when it is flatly contradicted by policy. If editors don't do so, they are, ironically, accused of not listening, or REFUSING to read. I've seen them abuse a few editors in this way. If these mere holders of the mop are called on this, they may get hot under the collar and, unable to mount a legitimate defence, they may make effective but illegitimate, ridiculous accusations (of sockpuppetry or some other trumped up and/or hypocritical charge), and force editors to comply by abusing their authority, even when their use of force isn't supported by policy - even when it is flatly contradicted by policy. Far too many admins demand, and insist upon unquestioning obedience, which is an abuse of their authority. Those that do should be desysopped. But they aren't. --Elvey (talk) 07:35, 7 April 2013 (UTC) Next steps[edit]I don't actually expect the above to fall on anything but deaf ears at best, retaliatory ears in all likelihood, but it needs to be said. 2+2=4. Copying one's own words on-wiki is never a copyvio. It's like having respect for the first amendment. It's easy to follow the rules when dealing with an editor you agree with. The sign of a good admin is one who can do so when dealing with someeone they don't agree with. --Elvey (talk) 07:35, 7 April 2013 (UTC) |
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Thanks...[edit]...for the "updatification" on github. I'm just getting started with regex, so your help was very much appreciated! It's definitely a powerful tool, and I'm looking forward to doing more with it in the future. —Theopolisme (talk) 00:34, 19 April 2013 (UTC) TUSC token fcc5883c9446e2f1d6160777e470e532[edit]Filemover[edit]You referenced filemover here. Would you like the permission? (It is as a general rule not a good idea to rename a file during the IFD itself because if the redirect gets deleted, then the bot will close the discussion ... but if you would have a use for it in general, you certainly are a sufficiently trusted user for the permission.) --B (talk) 22:35, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
Breakage at User talk:Misza13[edit]Hi, this edit broke the page because you put an exclamation mark immediately after the
A barnstar for you![edit]
Re: Mobile Phones SAR List[edit]Hi! I looked into the history of the article in question and it looks like the author actually did request that it be deleted. He commented that he was going to create it on the page and nobody said anything. He then created it and after a while, put it up for AfD himself. The article doesn't have to be blanked for it to be speedied under this context and another user can tag the page as such if they notice that the author is asking for the page to be deleted. If you want to take a copy into your userspace then that's an option, or if you want to have it recreated and run through a full AfD, I would probably recommend that you go through deletion review rather than re-create the page with a complaint over the article's deletion. That doesn't really accomplish much in the long run, whereas deletion review could end with the page being re-created. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) …
Wikipedia:Copyright problems help request[edit]This is a known problem that can only be solved by clearing the backlog. MER-C 12:39, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
Alicia Berrios help request[edit]Hello Mr. Elvey, My name is Alicia Berrios and I have worked hard and requested assistance for the Article, Luis A. Cordero. I was able to read your note and I don't quite understand. I am new to Wikipidea. I would greatly appreciate any help or recommendation. Thank you! Alicia De Los Angeles Berrios 16:13, 25 June 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aberrios13 (talk • contribs) Paid editing[edit]Hey Elvey, just to move this off SlimVirgin's page: I think that an RfC or some other measure is a good idea. However, my experience with this issue is that editors are happy with the lax and loophole-ridden guideline that currently exists. When Wikipedia received a trouncing in the press for letting BP in effect write large swaths of BP, Wales and the community circled the wagons. I notice that the "paid editing" policy did not get community support. Coretheapple (talk) 20:09, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
AN/I discussion[edit](trimmed discussion) Kim: Re. Carnildo's comment - come on, suggesting a page that is on the whole misleading, and therefore unhelpful be deleted is some sort of policy violation? I doubt it. Seems like a constructive effort. I didn't even notice or look to see who owned the bot. --Elvey (talk) 17:46, 8 September 2013 (UTC) tweaks[edit]Consider reapplying these suggested tweaks to your post.--Elvey (talk) 19:34, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
I responded to your comment. Smallbones(smalltalk) 03:17, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
Questions on the "List of atheists in science and technology" inclusion discussion[edit]Dear Elvey, I remember we both had a discussion on the rules of including scientists into this list. Anyway, there is a Wikipedia user named "Pgarret" who is removing some well documented people (like Alan Turing and Steve Wozniak) from this list because he/she is commenting that Wikipedia's policy states that scientists must labeled themselves as atheists. "Pgarret" is also removing atheists who had said some nice things about religion (which I don't understand). Like I said before, if we were to take this guideline in a strict fashion, even Richard Dawkins would not be included in the list since he also called himself an agnostic as well. Source:['I can't be sure God DOES NOT exist': World's most notorious atheist Richard Dawkins admits he is in fact agnostic]. Anyway, you could please take part in the discussion in this article talk-page: "Talk:List of atheists in science and technology". Or could find and contact other administrators to take part in this issue? If not, could you please tell me how to alert other wikpedian users/administrators into this debate? I would appreciate it. Ninmacer20 (talk) 18:38, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
Question about copyright status of University of California work[edit]Hi Elvey,
Re: protection[edit]I unprotected the earthquake prediction page as you requested as your argument is definitely valid. Also, sorry for the late response but I've had to work quite a bit of overtime the last couple of weeks and between that and christmas, I haven't had much free time. It also appears that the discussion about Belorussian americans is stale, so I took no action on that. Thingg⊕⊗ 19:35, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
Revert warring/troll[edit]Hello, As you suggested, I didn't put Johansson or Korbut in the Belarusian American and started a discussion regarding who should be in the collage. I did the same thing in the Russian American article. User:Mankiw2 reverted my removals, as before the page protection, without explaining his edits and without turning to the talk page. As you can see from the history, he does it all the time and it looks like he is being a troll. It's not normal behavior to ignore the talk page and to constantly revert-war without even writing why he is reverting. I looked into his edit history on other matters. What he does is go to pages of Russian people and changes the country of birth from USSR to the Soviet Union, or from the Soviet Union to USSR. What of the point of such weird edits? It doesn't look normal. Could you please look into the matter? 90.214.121.50 (talk) 08:50, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
Comparison of SAR list title[edit]Ivanvector (talk) has given you a cup of coffee, for taking the time to weather a dispute. Thanks for staying calm and civil! Coffee promotes WikiLove and hopefully this has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a coffee, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or someone putting up with some stick at this time. Enjoy! Good morning! Thanks for keeping the discussion civil at the AfD for Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of low-radiation smartphones. The list has been partially recreated in a somewhat different form, and I am attempting to start a discussion on its future on its new talk page. In particular I am interested in coming to consensus on the article's proper title, since the list has been moved many times and has created a number of redirects and fragmented discussions. Since you've been a key contributor to the SAR article I think your input will be valuable. Cheers! Spread the lovely, warm, bitter goodness of coffee by adding {{subst:WikiCoffee}} to their talk page with a friendly message.
SPI[edit](A)Please don't file a largely unfounded SPI against an editor you are in conflict with, particularly since there is already an open case concerning the account and IP range you included. Thanks. —DoRD (talk) 23:24, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
@DoRD:
E.Yes, I sympathize; I wonder what fraction of my headaches are a result of my contacts with PAEs like Morning227 and my active opposition to PAE in general, and the various specious alleged transgressions I've been plastered with as a result. I think the PAE problem infests all the way up and can only hope that all the user purging going on lately is a removal, rather than concentration of power among the PAEs. (Rhetorical question; please don't answer.) @Geni: did block one of the IPv6s, so I think blocking the rest of /64, which seems to be the normal response would be appropriate because Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/I'm not that crazy lists 8 sock IPs in that range. Why are you refusing to do so? As you've deleted my request for response to the abuse, DoRD, I feel it's incumbent upon you in particular to address the abuse by blocking the /64 of the abuser, or get help if you are afraid to do so without more support. @DoRD: C:I'd like to understand what you are referring to. What "SPI [you] just linked" are you referring to? this search turns up no linked SPIs. @DoRD: A: It's not reasonable to assert that no user may file an SPI about anyone if they have raised any other concerns about the user which resulted in conflict. It's not a valid justification for the "you are in conflict with" bit of your instruction. So please retract or justify that bit of it, since that's the only justification you've presented I see. --Elvey (talk) 23:17, 8 January 2014 (UTC) @DoRD: You haven't replied to the above. As you refuse to defend your unreasonable assertion (A), I will nuke it shortly. --Elvey (talk) 19:12, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
:::@MLauba: Struck. It feels like folks are trying to keep me from talking about at all. But I'm not saying a chilling effect is your intent. I believe it's permissible to note, and not in dispute: The content the user in question inserted was written by a user with a declared financial conflict of interest per COIN. I've explained the reasons for my view that the content inserted is highly slanted in favor of the funder. If so, please say so, and if not, please quote from a policy that says so and please delete enough to make the note policy compliant, without deleting the whole thing. I've asked Brad
Morning277 IP ranges[edit]Speaking of SPI: It looks like at least one of the Morning277 investigators aren't familiar with CIDRs/whois. This suggests it; the size of the blocks is off: 54.215.0.0/16 is listed here and at the above link but the appropriate range, per whois, is larger: 54.241.0.0/16 is also to small and thus missing a lot of activity 54.240.0.0 - 54.255.255.255 is appropriate tl;dr so perhaps the checkuser folks don't care or some such, but I figure I'd post about this since it could be quite helpful, as a much smaller net may have been cast than was appropriate.
The one year range blocks by WilliamH should probably be widened to match: 54.208.0.0/12 and 54.240.0.0/12. --Elvey (talk) 06:47, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
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RFC at WP:PUF[edit]There is an RFC at Wikipedia talk:Possibly unfree files/Header that you might find relevant as you have participated in past discussions about the use of {{pufc}}. Thanks, -- ТимофейЛееСуда. 14:44, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
Your question[edit]James F (finally) answered your question. You can see the log at the end of meta:IRC office hours/Office hours 2014-02-15. I'm sorry it took them so long to get to this, but they prioritize questions from people who are present at the chat, and the last few have been unusually well-attended. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 19:01, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
I won't edit war it - but when that image gets moved to commons, I'll wager it won't last a day with Previously published: http://oheltorah.com/about-us/ in the description. Ronhjones (Talk) 23:44, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
Coren's dogs?[edit]I still say Coren's dog studies are junk, but my opinion need not deter you if you want to add that to Earthquake prediction; I won't oppose it. ~ J. Johnson (JJ) (talk) 22:41, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
ANI notification[edit]There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Egregious section heading at Talk:Earthquake prediction. Thank you. ~ J. Johnson (JJ) (talk) 23:10, 26 July 2014 (UTC) Reference for your addition to Classified information in the United States[edit]Do you have reference(s) for anything in Classified information in the United States, especially for what you just added? I see there are no references in the section on "Sharing of classified information with other countries", which contained your most recent edits. The article could be improved with such. Thank you very much for your many contributions to Wikipedia. DavidMCEddy (talk) 18:45, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
ebola outbreak 2014/ west africa[edit]I would like to thank you for your support, it means a lot to me, and the ebola article.thank you.--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 20:38, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
Yesterday I was being interviewed on Sky News in the UK. The interview was supposed to be about a conference that I'm attending here in Dublin (One Young World) but took an unexpected (for me) turn into discussing ebola. The interviewed quite confidently challenged me on the importance of ebola with the claim that "only 4 people per day are dying of it". I was astonished and challenged back and she cited The Economist and insisted on the number and tried to move on. I stopped her right there and said look, if The Economist says that, then they are wrong. I said that people should come to this article and look at the table where we have a meticulous table with exact reference to the authoritative data. Later, on twitter, she appeared to be continuing to push the line by tweeting a screenshot of something from the Economist - dated early August. Sheesh. Anyway, I was very proud to know that our article is very good, and that we are doing something that unfortunately talking heads on television can't or won't do: responsibly and thoughtfully working very hard to get high quality information out to the world. This journalist didn't turn to us, but we know that thousands of journalists do. Your work is meaningful to the world, and I thank you for it.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 09:10, 19 October 2014 (UTC) |
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[edit]Eitrea page, and cultutal page of Eritrea
[edit]Hi, Ive seen that you have been engaged in the discussion regarding the FGM prevelance in Eritrea. Since you are involved in discussin an issues regaring Eritrea I hope you can take a look at this discussion regarding pics in the culture section in the Eritrea page. [6]. In the Eritrea page I have added new sections such as wildlife, music, and sports section. I have also tried to update one old picture in the cultural section [7] with a pictures of the famous Eritrean singer Faytinga [8] since I added a new music section that mentions her. I explaned my motivation for adding the picture and thought the pic could compliment this new section. However another user is deleting it giving unreasonable explenations. I also added a picture of an jebena [9] (coffe pot) that is an cultural item of Eritrea and is mentioned in the section culture of Eritrea. However when I added this pic same user removed it and replaced it with another one claiming it was of poor quality, it was actually better than the one mine got repalced with. My changes are being reverted for no good or reasonable reasons. Can you please have a look and leave your thought on this since a third opinion is needed. Thanks. Vetrisimino0 (talk) 23:00, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
- I can, though I'll stay away from the health section.--Elvey(t•c) 20:35, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
Policy for dealing with an apparent racist? Advice for dealing with an apparent racist?
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My last post to Talk:Eritrea - I cut the following before posting:
- It seems that your reason for excluding the Kunama singer Faytinga from the article is simply that "The Kunama are a Nilotic population representing a tiny fraction of Eritrea's population. As such, they and their culture are not representative of the nation's Afro-Asiatic majority." That reasoning sounds racist to me, so I have been giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming that you actually had some other reasonable explanation for excluding Faytinga and have been trying to suss out what it is. It seems clear that you don't, rather that your rationale is indeed a racist one: you're saying she's not fit to be an example of an Eritrean musician because she's not of one of the larger ethnic groups.
I am struggling to figure out how to better deal with what to me seems to be obviously racist editing. Would it be better to simply put back the image of the singer and say that policy does not consider racist justifications for the removal of images from an article to have any weight? Should I just drop the issue and let the removal for racist reasons stand? I don't know either of the artists - Faytinga or f Helen Meles, and I'm not allied with any of these ethnic groups, so I don't really care which one is in the article, but it seems wrong to let overt racism guide the decision. Am I misreading the situation? --Elvey(t•c) 02:04, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
- I absolutely think you should say exactly that. Wikipedia should not be in the business of adding facts to articles only if they are about the majority population of a country. In fact an argument could be made that, considering WP:NOTPAPER, we should include as much material as possible on minority populations for posterity's sake. I'm leaving the {{help me}} template in place so you can get more opinions and assistance with this matter. — Bill W. (Talk) (Contrib) (User:Wtwilson3) — 13:47, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
- Well, there is the concern that the images should give readers an understanding of what is typical, in this case about Eritrean music. If Faytinga is among the most renowned and/or popular Eritrean musicians, or a proponent of one of the typical styles, by all means we should have an image of her (and her serving as a "cultural ambassador" for her country would indicate that, but that claim seems rather overblown). On the other hand, if she's just one member of a notable ensemble, or if her style of music is highly uncommon and not at all what would usually be considered "typically Eritrean" music, why should her portrait be used to symbolize all of Eritrean music? If I give Middayexpress the benefit of the doubt, he's trying to argue something similar, though I'd say for the "music" section prominence in music, not ethnicity, should be the deciding factor. If we were discussing, say, the images in a collage in the infobox, as German people or Arabs have them, then he might have a point that the people chosen should roughly represent the ethnic composition of the country. Huon (talk) 21:04, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
- To add to that, I think you were absolutely right not to add the para you list above, and you should resist the temptation to cry "Racism!" It is possible that the other guy was motivated by racism, but it is also possible that he was considering the sort of issues Huon describes. To decide that it was racism involves you making an assumption about what was in his mind, and goes against WP:AGF and "Comment on content, not on the contributor"; moreover, such an inflammatory accusation is not likely to assist in getting resolution or improving the encyclopedia, and much more likely to create unproductive drama. JohnCD (talk) 22:40, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks, User:Wtwilson3, and admins Huon, and JohnCD. Hmm. Yes, the next step is to figure out if Faytinga is more like the former or latter characterizations of Huon. [Done: Looks like the former - "traditional dances and songs" and "traditional musical instruments" of Eritrea. And she's renowned(All per the Ministry of Information) Faytinga has 3 albums on Amazon; Meles has none. OTOH, "cultural ambassador" does seem to be a peacock term from the singer's own web site] John: yes, I'm glad I didn't post it. But you've only suggested what I should avoid/NOT do. It's fine that you disagree with Bill, but: What I'm posting here asking for, is advice about what I should do. What IS likely to assist in getting resolution or improving the encyclopedia, John? I'm not assuming it was racism, though you say I am, John. Rather, I think the discussion makes clear that I'm concluding that the rationale seems racist because all other possible interpretations I can think of, after further inquiry, seem implausible. If the reason for excluding Faytinga isn't racist, tell me this: why is Middayexpress so unwilling to say whether one Kunama photo is OK? I'm still at a loss as to what to do. AGF says, "Avoid accusing other editors of bad faith without clear evidence". Look at the whole thread; look at the latest response and my findings responding to Huon's questions. --Elvey(t•c) 06:50, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
- I found some excellent general advice at Wikipedia:Navigating conflict. Surprised I'm having such trouble finding policy that speaks more directly to racist content. I did find that WP:CIVIL says: "For ... bigoted attacks or other hateful speech,... use the Administrator's Noticeboard Incidents page to contact the site's admins." --Elvey(t•c) 01:58, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks, User:Wtwilson3, and admins Huon, and JohnCD. Hmm. Yes, the next step is to figure out if Faytinga is more like the former or latter characterizations of Huon. [Done: Looks like the former - "traditional dances and songs" and "traditional musical instruments" of Eritrea. And she's renowned(All per the Ministry of Information) Faytinga has 3 albums on Amazon; Meles has none. OTOH, "cultural ambassador" does seem to be a peacock term from the singer's own web site] John: yes, I'm glad I didn't post it. But you've only suggested what I should avoid/NOT do. It's fine that you disagree with Bill, but: What I'm posting here asking for, is advice about what I should do. What IS likely to assist in getting resolution or improving the encyclopedia, John? I'm not assuming it was racism, though you say I am, John. Rather, I think the discussion makes clear that I'm concluding that the rationale seems racist because all other possible interpretations I can think of, after further inquiry, seem implausible. If the reason for excluding Faytinga isn't racist, tell me this: why is Middayexpress so unwilling to say whether one Kunama photo is OK? I'm still at a loss as to what to do. AGF says, "Avoid accusing other editors of bad faith without clear evidence". Look at the whole thread; look at the latest response and my findings responding to Huon's questions. --Elvey(t•c) 06:50, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
- To add to that, I think you were absolutely right not to add the para you list above, and you should resist the temptation to cry "Racism!" It is possible that the other guy was motivated by racism, but it is also possible that he was considering the sort of issues Huon describes. To decide that it was racism involves you making an assumption about what was in his mind, and goes against WP:AGF and "Comment on content, not on the contributor"; moreover, such an inflammatory accusation is not likely to assist in getting resolution or improving the encyclopedia, and much more likely to create unproductive drama. JohnCD (talk) 22:40, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
- Well, there is the concern that the images should give readers an understanding of what is typical, in this case about Eritrean music. If Faytinga is among the most renowned and/or popular Eritrean musicians, or a proponent of one of the typical styles, by all means we should have an image of her (and her serving as a "cultural ambassador" for her country would indicate that, but that claim seems rather overblown). On the other hand, if she's just one member of a notable ensemble, or if her style of music is highly uncommon and not at all what would usually be considered "typically Eritrean" music, why should her portrait be used to symbolize all of Eritrean music? If I give Middayexpress the benefit of the doubt, he's trying to argue something similar, though I'd say for the "music" section prominence in music, not ethnicity, should be the deciding factor. If we were discussing, say, the images in a collage in the infobox, as German people or Arabs have them, then he might have a point that the people chosen should roughly represent the ethnic composition of the country. Huon (talk) 21:04, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
I'm considering simply putting back the image of the singer Faytinga and saying that for the "music" section, prominence in music, not ethnicity, should be the deciding factor. Faytinga has 3 albums on Amazon; Meles has none. Faytinga has international recognition (prizes).--Elvey(t•c) 06:50, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
- Google search for "Eritrean music" doesn't pull up either of them as the results tend to be focused on pop music. It's like saying Woody Guthrie is more American then Beyonce because he sings more "traditional" music. — Bill W. (Talk) (Contrib) (User:Wtwilson3) — 14:00, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
- I think the argument I'm opposing is akin to and as abhorrent as the argument that "Beyonce is not a valid representative for American Music because she's black, and most Americans are caucasian". Well, Interestingly, the folks repeatedly removing Faytinga haven't yet added Meles to the article. Any further thoughts on how to proceed, User:Wtwilson3, Huon, JohnCD, etc? Is the recent article talk page discussion making the situation or way forward more clear? How can I search just policies and guidelines, e.g. for terms like racism, bias? My only reason for coming to this topic was the request for a third opinion, which you can see just above this section. --Elvey(t•c) 21:25, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
- I've left a comment at the talk page. If we can't form a consensus, ultimately dispute resolution may have to be employed. Huon (talk) 22:29, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks for participating. I hope your style of discussion is more fruitful. The article and talk page are active. I realized that I made one comment in a series of discussions that take up the entirety of Talk:Yemenite_Jews/Archive_1 all about a similar issue - whether it was OK to include an image of Dana International in that article. Is it time yet to call for an uninvolved admin to step in with their admin hat on, as User:Writ Keeper did there? I see a lot of advanced wikilawyering and possible tag teaming [10]. See new comment above too. --Elvey(t•c) 00:26, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
- Not responding to (or reading) previous comments, just bringing my own perspective:
That reasoning sounds racist to me
is (to a neutral third party, as well as to the accused) an accusation of bad faith. It would be more politic to say something like "That reasoning seems to exclude someone for extraneous considerations relating to your own subjective notions about ethnicity". I agree that the consideration is, in fact, extraneous, since the singer is question is Eritrean by nationality, whatever their alleged ethnic history. The concern is therefore reasonable, even if your draft approach is not, and seems to be unnecessarily combative. — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 18:15, 29 July 2015 (UTC)- Umm... ??? User:SMcCandlish, my open helpme request is down at #Helpme. Thanks for the advice - good wording suggestion - but this thread is 9 months old. Searching, I find that [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Eritrea&diff=next&oldid=633405859 this is how I handled it. No AGF violation there. It does seem that the image remains excluded due to, ahem, extraneous considerations relating to subjective notions about ethnicity, but I dropped it long ago. --Elvey(t•c) 19:48, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
- Oh, ha ha. I ended up in this section by page-searching for "help me". Derp. — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 20:49, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
- Umm... ??? User:SMcCandlish, my open helpme request is down at #Helpme. Thanks for the advice - good wording suggestion - but this thread is 9 months old. Searching, I find that [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Eritrea&diff=next&oldid=633405859 this is how I handled it. No AGF violation there. It does seem that the image remains excluded due to, ahem, extraneous considerations relating to subjective notions about ethnicity, but I dropped it long ago. --Elvey(t•c) 19:48, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
Jack Seiler
[edit]Hi Elvey,
Recently I've added the following text to Jack Seiler's page:
>> On November 2nd 2014 the 90-year-old Arnold Abbott was stopped by the police for handing out four plates of food to homeless people in a South Florida park. Abbott and two pastors in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, were charged for feeding the homeless in public, the city's first crackdowns under a new ordinance banning public food sharing. They face possible jail time and a $500 fine. Abbott has been helping feed homeless people in the area through his Love Thy Neighbor nonprofit since 1991.
Mayor Jack Seiler will keep on enforcing the laws in Fort Lauderdale and is not satisfied with having a cycle of homeless in the city of Fort Lauderdalem, stating that providing them with a meal and keeping them in that cycle on the street is not productive. After an ordinance limiting the storage of personal property in public, came the restrictions for food sharing.
Police told Abbott anyone who touches a pan, anyone who is involved, will be arrested. It's a battle Abbott has fought before. In 1999 he sued the city for banning him from feeding homeless people on the beach and won. <<
User 74.191.76.114 thought the info was untrue and than FortLauderdale1911 removed it time after time without reason. The latest removal by Bbb23 was done because on an infringement of the biogtaphies of living persons policy. I absolutey disagree with all the removals because CNN is a reliable source, my text isn't colored + gives a factual overview of what happened and there's no defamation or what so ever.
I'm a not a Wiki-pro and I don't know what to do to get my addition back in the article. For the moment I remain with this feeling that some people in Fort Lauderdale don't want to acknowledge all Jack Seiler's contributions to society. The good and the bad should be described and people must judge for themselves whether they see his behaviour as something positive or negative. I wouldn't even be surprised if Jack Seiler's team is behind this heist of my addition.
Please me restore the page. --Deinemutti85 (unsigned)
- Indeed, the sloganeer in me notes that starvation does seem a cruel and unusual punishment for the "crime" of homelessness.
- Yes, what you want to do, User:Deinemutti85 is correctly use {{edit request}} on the talk page, including just the CNN-verificable stuff, while respecting NPOV, which, it seems, you do. Some of the stuff (added on after your edit at least) was problematic. Most important: read this. He alleges a copyright violation somewhere. Were your words original? Hope that helps.
- Yeah, it looks like you copied from the CNN source without proper citation. Law was enforced again. If you wrote the CNN article, there's OTRS, otherwise ,see especially the big green check marks halfway down the Wikipedia:Plagiarism article.--Elvey(t•c) 17:02, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
- Update: Done! I have fixed the article to reflect the events, as reported in the most reliable, sound sources I could find, like the New York Times.--Elvey(t•c) 09:40, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
Copyright checks when performing AfC reviews
[edit]Hello Elvey. This message is part of a mass mailing to people who appear active in reviewing articles for creation submissions. First of all, thank you for taking part in this important work! I'm sorry this message is a form letter – it really was the only way I could think of to covey the issue economically. Of course, this also means that I have not looked to see whether the matter is applicable to you in particular.
The issue is in rather large numbers of copyright violations ("copyvios") making their way through AfC reviews without being detected (even when easy to check, and even when hallmarks of copyvios in the text that should have invited a check, were glaring). A second issue is the correct method of dealing with them when discovered.
If you don't do so already, I'd like to ask for your to help with this problem by taking on the practice of performing a copyvio check as the first step in any AfC review. The most basic method is to simply copy a unique but small portion of text from the draft body and run it through a search engine in quotation marks. Trying this from two different paragraphs is recommended. (If you have any question about whether the text was copied from the draft, rather than the other way around (a "backwards copyvio"), the Wayback Machine is very useful for sussing that out.)
If you do find a copyright violation, please do not decline the draft on that basis. Copyright violations need to be dealt with immediately as they may harm those whose content is being used and expose Wikipedia to potential legal liability. If the draft is substantially a copyvio, and there's no non-infringing version to revert to, please mark the page for speedy deletion right away using {{db-g12|url=URL of source}}. If there is an assertion of permission, please replace the draft article's content with {{subst:copyvio|url=URL of source}}.
Some of the more obvious indicia of a copyvio are use of the first person ("we/our/us..."), phrases like "this site", or apparent artifacts of content written for somewhere else ("top", "go to top", "next page", "click here", use of smartquotes, etc.); inappropriate tone of voice, such as an overly informal tone or a very slanted marketing voice with weasel words; including intellectual property symbols (™,®); and blocks of text being added all at once in a finished form with no misspellings or other errors.
I hope this message finds you well and thanks again you for your efforts in this area. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 02:20, 18 November 2014 (UTC).
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Mass message issue
[edit]There isn't a problem with the Mass Message system. I received the same message without incident on my talk page. However, something on your talk page caused it to display a template instead of the template code within <nowiki>...</nowiki>
. I'm not sure what the issue is with your talk page, but the system has performed fine with this message on other pages. Imzadi 1979 → 02:05, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
- We disagree. I don't claim it never works. I claim it fails enough that two users complained about the same mass message failing on their talk pages. I agree that part of the blame probably lies with the content on my page and perhaps that's the case with the other user. Imzadi 1979, If you think my warning is too strong, feel free to soften it, but I think a warning is appropriate. --Elvey(t•c) 02:18, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
- Hi. This edit was appropriate. It's not really a disagreement. In the case of this talk page, there were a bunch of mismatched curly braces (e.g., {{ without a corresponding }}). Generally MediaWiki doesn't care about these and will just output them directly, but Fuhghettaboutit's message only put {{ in nowiki tags and not }}. When the message was delivered here, the unclosed {{ met an "unclosed" }} and you saw the weird parsing behavior. The message has been restored above just to demonstrate that it's not to (fully) to blame here.
- User talk:LukeSurl was probably a similar issue, though I haven't fully investigated yet. In any case, not a MassMessage bug. --MZMcBride (talk) 05:05, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks for figuring it out. Agreed, the problem was with Fuhghettaboutit's message and with mismatched curly braces in the messages already on my page - not a MassMessage bug, though perhaps an enhancement opportunity. Kudos.--Elvey(t•c) 05:43, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
- Apologies. Apparently then it from my editing error.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 11:37, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
- Accepted, and sorry, I didn't mean what I wrote to sound all blaming of you, Fuhghettaboutit. My goal was just to prevent lots of future problems with a tool that gets used a lot and I (mistakenly) thought had a new bug likely to cause widespread damage, some of which would go unnoticed, even if only a small fraction of its edits were doing damage like what resulted on my and LukeSurl's pages. Also, no one had initially responded to LukeSurl's message for several hours, or mine, so I felt it appropriate to wave a flag, so to speak, 23 hours after the edits had been made, which was (too?) effective. Anyway, I see the problem in both cases was mismatched curly braces. Perhaps BracketBot should be directed at draft mass messages. Suggested. --Elvey(t•c) 14:20, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
- Apologies. Apparently then it from my editing error.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 11:37, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks for figuring it out. Agreed, the problem was with Fuhghettaboutit's message and with mismatched curly braces in the messages already on my page - not a MassMessage bug, though perhaps an enhancement opportunity. Kudos.--Elvey(t•c) 05:43, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
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PR, FCOI and PAE - OK or not? - Jytdog discussion
[edit]so you read it. don't know if you are satisfied or not. but i am really concerned that you think i misrepresented the wifione case in our discussion. i may misunderstand something and am interested to see what you think that is. you may be right, but i won't know til you explain. it is an important case and i don't want to be going around with misconceptions. so i look forward to your reply in our discussion. thanks. Jytdog (talk) 02:51, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
- I replied and explained. I softened my criticism - removed the "grossly". Also, sorry if my comment is hard to follow - I made several points in a bit of a run-on sentence - and it looks like a clerk dropped the ball - not your fault - and so you have repeatedly quoted a stricken finding. The other thing is that while it's true that ARBCOM at one point said "paid editing as it is not prohibited by site policies", it did NOT say "UNDISCLOSED paid editing as it is not prohibited by site policies" and yet it feels like you were saying that ARBCOM had said the latter.
- I'm pretty well satisfied re. your COI on GMOs, Jytdog. (Your comments/attitudes about/conflict regarding PAE are confusing to me - you sorta seem to be OK with PAE (or at least the lack of policy against it), and I'm not, but I've not read enough to feel conclusory about that.) I also strongly agree with you in that GMOs are largely good and get a bad rap - mostly because of fear of the unknown plus scads of unscientific fear mongering! (But I also find when I drill down that Monsanto's bad rap is also for some heinous shit! For example, you don't think they've sued and collected damages from farmers when a small fraction of their seed was GMO, probably through no fault of the farmer? I drilled down and found that but perhaps I didn't ran the claims far enough to ground...) Let's continue the COI conversation at least mostly over there where I started it - at Wikipedia_talk:Conflict_of_interest#WIfone_case.--Elvey(t•c) 03:31, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
- i am glad you are satisfied with the COI thing. that is a relief. i replied to you over at WT:COI so won't go further into that here. (dif to save you the digging)
- my stance on paid editing is as follows. i am a practical guy and i don't ride any high horses.
- what matters is NPOV content. advocates (and I deal with scads of FRINGE medicine and anti-GMO advocates) and editors with a financial COI both screw up WP. I don't know which is worse. I really don't. Passion and money are both powerful fuels.
- But WP absolutely needs to manage financial COI. it is a basic responsibility of any knowledge producing organization.
- in academia, we manage COI by forbidding it (and firing people who engage in forbidden COI activities) or we manage it through disclosure and various levels of oversight
- WP has been unable to come to consensus on forbidding paid editing (the most blatant kind of financial COI) .... unable to bridge the tension between the desire to manage COI and what i call the "content not contributor" nexus deep in the guts of WP. banning is not going to happen in our lifetime. it is just not realistic (fwiw, i voted in favor of banning it the 5 proposals after the Wiki-PR scandal, but I really listened to what those opposing it were saying. the proposals all failed to gain consensus by a long, long way, and divisions were clear and consistent)
- WMF stepped in and acted when we could not and made paid editing OK if and only if paid editors disclose and follow community PAG. In WP, our PAG is the COI guideline, which says that paid editor should not directly edit articles, but should make edit requests on Talk pages. that again, is just the real world. So paid editors are really at the community's mercy - if some editor works with them, their stuff can get into an article in some form. Thats' as far as that goes. (this is academic option #2 - manage via disclosure and oversight)
- in my work at COIN, that is what I do - I try to get editors with a pattern of COI behavior to disclose, and follow the COI guideline. I watch articles that are reported. If someone who was reported says they have no conflict, i warn them of advocacy and tell them about NPOV, and if they make NPOV edits I revert. If they keep doing it, i bust them eventually on edit warring or something else, or they give up and go away. it takes attention and time, but this is where a lot of the real work of managing COI actually happens. (i also end up filing SPI cases sometimes, but i don't have my head far enough out of the weeds to see all the networks - folks like Doc James are pursuing that)
- when i have some extra time, I sometimes look at paid editors edit requests. sometimes they are freaking great. when they suck, i tell them how to fix it, and keep trying to teach them until they get it right. if it is really great (NPOV and well sourced) i implement it. i generally don't take too much of my time letting other people exploit me, though. :) just when i think their work makes the encyclopedia better... which it can do. (see Jerry Yang (entrepreneur) for an example).
- that is my approach. no big Principles or high horses. Just practical, and doing what i can to follow and protect PAG and the ToU, both of which are very important to me.
- on the Monsanto farmer thing. what you write there is a misconception. Monsanto only brings cases if there is intentional and significant infringement going on. (it would be a waste of their money to do what the internetz says they do... just bad business) A lot of the misconceptions stem from Monsanto Canada Inc v Schmeiser - please have a careful read of that, and you will see what really happened there. but yes they have done some bad stuff. i will not deny that, ever. but their badness is wildly exaggerated on the internet, i'd be happy to discuss that more.
- thanks for talking! Jytdog (talk) 03:55, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
- It's great that you do that stuff you list doing at COIN. Also, I like your new NPOV part 1 section on your user page - great points - except for this at the end - "If you have inserted content into an article based on a primary source and I have deleted it, it is not because I disagree with the content." - surely often you disagree with the content and at least some of the time it's deleted at least partly because you disagree with the content. It's not a credible claim for anyone to make.
- Happy to agree to disagree - yes, passion and money are both powerful fuels, but money is worse than passion, IMO. "PAG"? Paid Advocacy Guideline? I don't think it's true that the WMF "made paid editing OK if and only if paid editors disclose and follow community PAG". Rather the WMF said it's not OK if they :::*don't disclose
- if they don't not follow PAG
- if they engage in PAE.
- That's very different.
- Happy to agree to disagree - yes, passion and money are both powerful fuels, but money is worse than passion, IMO. "PAG"? Paid Advocacy Guideline? I don't think it's true that the WMF "made paid editing OK if and only if paid editors disclose and follow community PAG". Rather the WMF said it's not OK if they :::*don't disclose
- You sometimes look at paid editors edit requests. Kudos. I've been frustrated in the past when I've found paid editors edit requests that sucked and got implemented anyway (not by you, that I recall), and been attacked when trying to get the sucky stuff removed, nominally because i didn't follow some rule that someone wikilawyered about in a way that preserved the sucky PAE.
- Will read Schmeiser. Thanks.
- You have a valid approach. It sounds like you want to continue to allow editors who are paid to do PR - to represent an entity well on WP, and feel that using existing rules to police their contributions is better than having one that bans it. I hear that it works for you. It hasn't worked for me.
- Take care. Thanks for talking, Jytdog! --Elvey(t•c) 04:27, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
- I just realized that what i wrote there might get you worried b/c it sounds like corporate-speak. when i say "intentional and signficant" i am thinking like i do at work... i deal with companies and intellectual property a lot, and i understand how companies think about patents. you don't waste money suiing somebody (especially not your customer!) unless you are pretty sure you are going to win. so the "intentional" thing has to be there. and there needs to be something at stake - a big chunk of money now or down the road, or you wouldn't waste your money suing somebody. hence the "signficant". sorry if that was freaky. Jytdog (talk)
- Scaring many other farmers into buying your seed results in a big chunk of money down the road, even if Monsanto sued and collected damages from a farmer when just a small fraction of their seed was GMO. So we need to take the claim that they've sued and collected damages from farmers when a small fraction of their seed was GMO to the ground to see if it's true. You can't explain it away as implausible because it isn't implausible at all. I'm disappointed that you tried to do so. --Elvey(t•c) 18:25, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
- thanks for answering! sorry too wiki-slangy, "PAG" = WP:PAG (policies and guidelines). i agree with your description of what WMF did. many people were furious that they didn't outlaw paid editing and they describe the WMF as "legalizing" it or making it OK, but your description is more accurate.
- on the primary source thing, when new content is added to articles i watch - medical ones especially - i look at the source even before i look at the content that was added. really. b/c my bar for the content totally changes if it the source is primary and my cursor starts moving to toward the revert button... and only if the content fills some important gap will i go look for a secondary source to see if i can properly fill that gap. using primary sources in the life sciences (which is where most of my editing happens) is just crazy.
- If you think i want to allow paid editors to do PR you have really misunderstood me. that is sad. PR = getting the company's message out. NPOV = WP articles say what reliable sources say (which has nothing to do with what the company wants). ONLY if a paid editor's proposed content is NPOV (in my judgement and I have pretty high standards and even higher in that context) and well sourced (and again i have pretty high standards) will i use it. ONLY. again, see the Yang article and especially its Talk page. see also the LinkedIn talk page. those are two i did not too long ago. and neither of those did i copy/paste of the whole thing, but did a lot of integrating and extra work of my own. please do - you really got the wrong idea there. yikes. my point was that paid editors ~can~ come up with acceptable content. often what they want most, is to update or correct the article (and a lot of articles have incorrect content - i just fixed a pretty serious error in article that made GA status just last week). when i make it clear what the content has to be like, they comply - the more important thing to them is getting it corrected or updated (they would like to spin it, but will "settle" for updating/correcting it, in NPOV well sourced fashion)
- but yes absolutely if some sloppy editor schwoops in a paid editor's edit request, the whole thing collapses and effective oversight is lost. WP is what it is.
- i would rather that paid editing were banned. i would. but i don't see the community reaching consensus anytime soon, and really wise/experienced Wikipedians have tried to craft solutions. so.. it is about trying to achieve the best we can in the world that exists and do our best to make it excellent. that's what i am trying to do anyway. Jytdog (talk) 05:31, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
- I don't think I've misunderstood you, though I DO think you want to allow paid editors to do PR. I think that because of what you've said. Reading what you've said, it sounds like you want to allow paid editors to do PR, as long as it's the kind of PR you support - edits that respect NPOV. In other words, you want to allow paid editors to do PR, unless their edits don't respect NPOV. So when I say "You want to allow paid editors to do PR", it's not like I'm saying something untrue. You want to allow paid editors to do PR, as long as their edits respect BLP too. You want to allow paid editors to do PR, as long as their edits that respect policy. See where I'm going? The "as long as their edits that respect policy" part is pretty damn superfluous in any sentence of the form "Editor X wants to allow editors to do Y, as long as their edits that respect policy. See where I'm going?
- Sometimes what reliable sources say is what the company wants. In which case, it still may well be in violation of FTC regs when it's added by a paid editor doing PR. Yes, of course paid editors ~can~ come up with acceptable content. No need to look at the examples you link to. But it's the exception. Paid editors ~can~ GREATLY stymie and drive away valuable users and content too.--Elvey(t•c) 18:25, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
- i appreciate you talking with me, but there are way too many balls in the air in this conversation, and all of them are under the umbrella of this hounding of me about COI that is going on. Too many layers, too many topics. And the paid editing thing, and the Monsanto thing, are both complex topics and based on what you have written so far, you are misinterpreting me. I will say this with some emphasis, as I am now frustrated: I do not want to allow paid editors to do PR. The misinterpretation is not surprising, given the context and the many-balls thing. I don't see how to go forward here, sanely. Shall we just discuss one at a time, or should we just stop? What do you suggest? Jytdog (talk) 18:30, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
- I will try to clarify one thing, on the paid editing front. I said that paid editors need to follow PAG, which means that they cannot directly edit articles. They can propose content on article Talk pages. I will not consider content proposed on Talk pages, unless it is NPOV and well sourced. And even when I take that up, I do not copy/paste the whole thing into an article, but rather integrate it, as I see fit. (I gave you two examples to show what I mean) I serve the encyclopedia. I have no idea what you mean about paid editors stymieing anything, if they are restricting themselves to the Talk page. They can just be WP:SHUNned there, if they become POV-pushers and do IDHT. I could see a paid editor being a pain in the butt there, but I see advocates being a pain in the butt there too, and advocates are also free to directly edit. So I have no idea where your response to me is coming from. It is not based on what i have written here or elsewhere. Jytdog (talk) 18:54, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
- i appreciate you talking with me, but there are way too many balls in the air in this conversation, and all of them are under the umbrella of this hounding of me about COI that is going on. Too many layers, too many topics. And the paid editing thing, and the Monsanto thing, are both complex topics and based on what you have written so far, you are misinterpreting me. I will say this with some emphasis, as I am now frustrated: I do not want to allow paid editors to do PR. The misinterpretation is not surprising, given the context and the many-balls thing. I don't see how to go forward here, sanely. Shall we just discuss one at a time, or should we just stop? What do you suggest? Jytdog (talk) 18:30, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
- Since you asked and feel hounded, I suggest you stop posting here; I won't mind at all. I'm certainly not wikihounding you; you're on MY talk page, discussing topics in a discussion you started, and I believe I haven't followed you anywhere but here to my talk page. I feel for you if others are hounding you. I hear that you feel I interpreted your statement that "ONLY if a paid editor's proposed content is NPOV and well sourced will I use it" overly broadly. Sorry for what the incorrect official statements on what was stricken from the arbcom case led me to say about you, incorrectly. --Elvey(t•c) 19:07, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
- I originally posted here asking you to explain your claim that I was misinterpreting the arbcom case, as that concerned me, especially since you explicitly noted that your perception that i had misinterpreted it, had made you more skeptical of me. thanks for noting here, that i didn't misinterpret it. fwiw, in the context i am in, it would be kind if you noted the same at WT:COI. The other matters that we are discussing, are things that you brought up here, and that i have responded to here. If you want to stop talking, that's fine. again, i appreciate the discussion... it has just gotten messy. Jytdog (talk) 19:17, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
- Since you asked and feel hounded, I suggest you stop posting here; I won't mind at all. I'm certainly not wikihounding you; you're on MY talk page, discussing topics in a discussion you started, and I believe I haven't followed you anywhere but here to my talk page. I feel for you if others are hounding you. I hear that you feel I interpreted your statement that "ONLY if a paid editor's proposed content is NPOV and well sourced will I use it" overly broadly. Sorry for what the incorrect official statements on what was stricken from the arbcom case led me to say about you, incorrectly. --Elvey(t•c) 19:07, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
- Were it true - your claim that "paid editors need to follow PAG, which means that they cannot directly edit articles". IIRC, it says that they should not directly edit articles. Please please please edit it to say that they cannot directly edit articles. After all, and I've taken this one to the ground, PAE is illegal in much of the world. You seem to be taking what I said about paid editors GREATLY stymieing and driving away valuable users and content personally. Please don't take it as being about you. --Elvey(t•c) 19:21, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
you make a great point there. What COI actually says, is "Paid advocates are very strongly discouraged from direct article editing." (emphasis from the original!) We have debated that sentence a lot at WT:COI and we cannot get consensus to make that stronger... into "cannot" as I have been saying. What I have been doing in practice, is really driving that should not home to editors with a COI. Most editors I explain that to, follow it. The ones who don't, who are really NOTHERE, end up getting busted for more clear policy violations. I have been on the lookout for a good "test case" to bring to ANI, to have the community take action against an editor with a COI who blows off that "should not". I believe that the community will find it actionable; I believe the bolded "should not" is, in effect, a cannot. But you are correct, in that it remains to be seen. Good point. Yes. Jytdog (talk) 19:38, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
- Thank you! Will try to remember to contact you if I see an editor with a COI who blows off that "should not". Agreed.
- Thanks for the education on Monsanto. Monsanto_legal_cases#False_advertising is relatively minor evildoing. It seems I was misled, perhaps by Food, Inc, into believing Monsanto sued and collected damages from a farmer when just a small fraction of their seed was GMO. --Elvey(t•c) 04:58, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
- I would appreciate being contacted about that very much, thanks! it is really hard to get good information about GMOs and Monsanto, as he internet is full of sites with hyperbole. i don't know if you read the NYT but there was a really great article about that (on the front page no less) when Hawaii was considering banning GM crops. It is here if you are interested. that guy's story mirrored my own, which i used to have posted on my userpage. it was odd and pleasing to find the similar story in print, and so prominently. Jytdog (talk) 05:09, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
- Read the story when you mentioned it, but didn't reply at the time. Good story on the hyperbole, indeed.--Elvey(t•c) 02:59, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
- I would appreciate being contacted about that very much, thanks! it is really hard to get good information about GMOs and Monsanto, as he internet is full of sites with hyperbole. i don't know if you read the NYT but there was a really great article about that (on the front page no less) when Hawaii was considering banning GM crops. It is here if you are interested. that guy's story mirrored my own, which i used to have posted on my userpage. it was odd and pleasing to find the similar story in print, and so prominently. Jytdog (talk) 05:09, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
Paid Advocacy Editing by SPA HealthMonitor
[edit]Jytdog - Belated ping. I bet you can't get the community to take action against SPA HealthMonitor, who has a disclosed FCOI and blows off that "should not".--Elvey(t•c) 01:16, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
Ban appeals email
[edit]Just noticed what you said about it and I've updated it. Thanks for spotting it. Dougweller (talk) 18:20, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
- Cool.--Elvey(t•c) 02:43, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
RFC notifications
[edit]I saw your question at WP:AN about whether notifications are required for requests to close an RFC. I can authoritatively report that no such notification is even "recommended" at this time, much less required. I can tell you this because we have a particular editor who has decided that listing most (probably more than 80%) expired RFCs is his particular contribution to the community. Almost a year ago, I requested that he try leaving a note at the RFC about his close requests (or even asking them in advance if they wanted a closing statement written). He declined this idea as being too much pointless bureaucratic bother for him; he'd rather encourage pointlessly bureaucratic closing statements without having to tell anyone affected by it what he was doing.
I believe that means that ANRFC is the only admins' noticeboard where you can report a discussion and not inform any of the other participants about your action. If this ever changes, then I'm sure it will be listed in the directions at the top of the page. But for now, the rule is that nobody has to inform anyone of a listing at ANRFC. WhatamIdoing (talk) 03:49, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
- I'm glad to hear it isn't recommended. I doubt he (whoever "he" is; I didn't look) feels his listings "encourage pointlessly bureaucratic closing statements." If it was difficult for uninvolved folks to contribute by finding and closing expired RFCs, and he's making it easier, that's a good thing in my book. However, it sounds like you think it's a bad thing because sometimes the result is a pointlessly bureaucratic closing statement. I don't find that argument compelling. NRN, but if you do, please identify "him". --Elvey(t•c) 02:56, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
Off hand comment
[edit]"I've had to return (feit) LED bulbs because they were less than half as bright as they claimed to be"
I have purchased several different types of LED bulbs but don't have a tester to see if they give off as much light as advertised. That said, the Nanoleaf bulb I purchased does appear to give off considerably more light than any of the others. Thanks! Unconventional2 (talk) 19:35, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
PD-ORGov
[edit]Hi, I see you noticed our work long ago on legislation in Oregon. Let me know if you have any questions or would like to discuss. -Pete (talk) 16:02, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
- Hi, Pete. Yes. Copyright law, in particular, interpretation of the copyright clause, is in lamentable condition. As Larry Lessig has started to evangelize, and I agree, we need to strike at the root. Be Rootstrikers, rather than twig nippers... Seen/want to link to Wikipedia:Public_domain_status_of_official_US_government_works? --Elvey(t•c) 16:24, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
RFC clarification
[edit]Hi Elvey I pinged you on the MEDRS talk page where you closed a RFC. There are questions and a difference of opinion on what is meant in the last paragraph of the close. Would you be so kind as to drop by the talk page when you have a minute and clarify it for us? Thanks AlbinoFerret 21:32, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
- The talk page there is kind of crazy. I have closed over 200 RFC's, but don't know if I would have done one on that page even if uninvolved. Let me ask you here if you dont want to go back to it.
- Some want to add a loophole to the "country of origin" by stating it still can be considered with language like this as a note "While country of origin per se is not a suitable reason to reject a source, it is appropriate to consider in cases where reliable sources have identified systematic problems in the medical literature associated with specific regions or countries" The editors who want to add this say that the last paragraph of your close says that. Dose this match the meaning of your last paragraph of the close? To me it looks like language to stop editors jumping off a cliff and saying that we cant even discuss sources that talk about country of origin problems when discussing it for a article or section of an article on the topic of problems. AlbinoFerret 13:28, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
- @AlbinoFerret: WhatamIdoing refuses to address my comments about his repeated extreme, odd interpretations of what I said. I feel grossly misrepresented, and the lack of a response, let alone an apology is certainly disruptive. I am loathe to interact with that user while that uncivil behavior goes unchecked.
- I have answered his question, writing
"We cannot override WP:V or WP:RS" means just that. Surely none of you dispute that "We cannot override WP:V or WP:RS." There was consensus that "country of origin", per se, is not a valid reason to reject a source. I claim neither WP:V nor WP:RS contain any sentence consistent with allowing "country of origin", per se, as a valid reason to reject a source. [...]
The behaviors of reversing my close and insisting the question wasn't answered are disruptive.
- I have answered his question, writing
- I wrote:
(This addition should NOT be read as a PC ban on any mention of country of origin (or founding source, etc.) when necessary to refer to studies with hard data (as contrasted to stereotypes) that have identified a systematic problem that is normally identified with an affiliated country of origin, as mentioned by Richard Keatinge. Likewise, this addition should NOT be read as a changing the longstanding policy that sources from publications known to routinely publish and fail to retract material proven unreliable may be excluded.)
- When I wrote that, I didn't create a loophole. This proposed language would do that; it is not consistent with what I said; it is inappropriate.
- I wrote:
- I was, rather, simply clarifying that mention of country of origin is not barred, even though it would now be explicit that decision making on the basis of country of origin, per se is not OK.
- That's what's meant by "mention of country of origin (or funding source, etc.) when necessary to refer to studies with hard data (as contrasted to stereotypes) that have identified a systematic problem that is normally identified with an affiliated country of origin [is OK]"
- It's does not bar mention of them if there exist reliable sources that have identified systematic problems in the medical literature associated with a specific study type"
- In other words: Could we say it's OK to reject a high-quality study-type in cases where reliable sources have identified systematic problems in the medical literature associated with that high-quality study-type? No. That would be contradictory. It wouldn't BE a high-quality study-type.
- I just noticed a bunch of edit warring over this on the policy page - e.g. Alexbrn should be admonished for diff. I requested full page protection.--Elvey(t•c) 19:38, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks for clearing that up Elvey. Some would take a close to an extreme, and like you said try and bar mention of country of origin in areas outside of high quality sources. Such as topics on problems with sources from a specific country that a source discusses. I call that taking the wording and jumping off a cliff, or following the close to absurd levels. It happens, I know I have seen it more than once. AlbinoFerret 22:34, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
- I just noticed a bunch of edit warring over this on the policy page - e.g. Alexbrn should be admonished for diff. I requested full page protection.--Elvey(t•c) 19:38, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
- You're welcome. Hope it helps in the ensuing conversation which I fear is destined to be a reanimated horse carcass for some time, based on current trajectories.--Elvey(t•c) 22:59, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
- Just a suggestion: it may be best for you to limit your participation in the current/next RfC. I don't mind when a previous closer comments in a subsequent RfC (I've done it myself) but I view it as bad form if they come in fighting, responding to all the comments, and pushing for a certain outcome. By the way, I am sorry for the drama you've had to go through in that close, and appreciate you following up and trying to settle things. And I appreciate the difficulty of making a hard close and dealing with the backlash. I wish you the best of luck in future RfC closes...hopefully you won't run into anything like this again. ~Awilley (talk) 00:13, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
Question on Marsy's Law
[edit]Hello! I noticed you responded to my request for updating the Marsy's Law article on November 19, 2015, but then reverted the Talk page. Did you have any problems with my suggested changes? If so, I'm more than happy to address any issues. Due to my conflict of interest I know I should not edit the page myself, which is why I have reached out to other editors to look at my suggestions. I appreciate you taking the time to look into it. Thank you. JulieMSG (talk) 13:57, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
Total revert without talking and with elimination of undoubtful technical and other edits
[edit]Please stop making total reverts, as you did to City Sightseeing. This contravenes many of Wikipedia's policy and rules. If you continue to do so, you may be offered to blocking from editing Wikipedia. Total reverts uses against vandalism. Your total revert was no argumented beside of non-concreted "nothing explained" while this and other my edits (not only about "worlds largest") were detailed explained. You avoided of talking sentence "worlds largest" subject and no provided contr-arguments. Even you doubt about this, you destructively no inserted at first the source-tag although such tag already exist in all article and no need and no duty always just after any word and any sentence. And you more destructively eliminated at total revert the many undoubtful technical and other edits in article that looks as vandalism. 46.61.152.186 (talk) 07:30, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
- What nonsense! Please edit a wikipedia in your own language. You don't seem to know enough English to write comprehensibly or understand our policies.--Elvey(t•c) 03:03, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
History of catapults need your help
[edit]Dear Elvey, I've never replied or try to edit any type of Wikipedia material before. I do appreciate all the hard work that goes into it but my disability does not allow me to do a lot of "adjustong:,let's call it. So I would appreciate you taking a look at this. In the article " catapult", credit is given to the Greeks invented the first rock catapults in the 5th century and the first arrow catapults or cross bows in the 3rd century however I invite you to take a look at the document written in the 9th century BC. That would be in the Bible book of 2nd chronicles chapter 26 verse 15. Thank you for your diligent research — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.103.208.34 (talk) 14:06, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
- Why me? I'm not familiar with the bible as an WP:RS for such things. Not interested. --Elvey(t•c) 03:03, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
wikitrust?
[edit]WikiTrust: Once-useful tool that colored an article's text according to how trustworthy and stable it seems to be. Now only usable/useful on the pt (Portuguese) wiki. - Is it? How? Firefox addon? Customized service? I'd like to know more! See also my collection at de:Benutzer:Atlasowa/edit_history_visualization. --Atlasowa (talk) 14:17, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
- Atlasowa Thanks! I'm no expert on it - a few minutes at the link I provided and you'll know more than I. I just recall it was cool when I checked it out and first used it long ago, but when I wanted to make real use of it, a while ago, it no longer worked. I recently installed the addon again to see if it was indeed still not working, and it wasn't. Thanks for the link to your collection. Why would one keep stuff in English on the de wiki?--Elvey(t•c) 18:05, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
- So how do you use Wikitrust in ptwiki?? Tell me, seriously! Finnish WP used to have a Wikitrust install (no more, afaik), but i never heard of ptwikitrust...? Or will you fix your text at WP:Tools? --Atlasowa (talk) 21:58, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
- I don't know; I don't speak it. But https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/wikitrust/ says, "This add-on modifies your view of wikipedia.org pages (currently only Italian and Portuguese)". But that conflicts with the project's main site, which says,
WikiTrust has been taken offline, indefinitely. You can still download the code, and use it to analyze Wikipedia (or in general, mediawiki) dumps. We are working on making it newly available in better format, and we will soon post more information about the project.
. http://www.wikitrust.net/ and http://www.wikitrust.net/news I'd love to know who uninstalled it from each wiki (though I'm most interested in en), and on what justification! I will. --Elvey(t•c) 22:17, 6 January 2016 (UTC)- Thanks, have a look at de:Benutzer:Atlasowa/edit_history_visualization#WikiTrust / WikiPraise and read the links for background why this died. --Atlasowa (talk) 17:41, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
- I don't know; I don't speak it. But https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/wikitrust/ says, "This add-on modifies your view of wikipedia.org pages (currently only Italian and Portuguese)". But that conflicts with the project's main site, which says,
Reminder
[edit]As far as I know you are currently under a community-imposed topic ban for matters related to COI, per this, which started Aug 7 2015 and runs 6 months. You have violated that topic ban several times in the past week or two. I'm not taking any action now - just reminding you. Jytdog (talk) 02:15, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
- Can a person really be banned from talking about Conflict of Interest in general? I mean, not just articles about conflict of interest or some specific topic area, but about conflict of interest in general? And why? I see that long long long case there and can't make heads or tails of it.... what happened there? I guess i can't expect Elvey to reply because they are gagged by the topic ban. It's inhumane and stupid. That's my 2 cents. I don't see why we can't simply speak as human beings. I wish people would act like humans here. I don't get the intent of all this wikilawyering and bullying that happens at Wikipedia -- all this intimidation, chilling, and warnings.... in my experience, 'friendly warnings' are anything but ... and there is often too much repression, death by a thousand paper cuts, and so much beside the point wikispeak... anyway. It's weird. We human beings are the strangest species, the only species that demands some members pay to live on the planet on which they are born, and the only ones who go 50 levels deep in determining what becomes human knowledge, in this thing called "the sum of all human knowledge" where integrity is rare and intimidation is the norm. So much resistance from behind. SageRad (talk) 06:27, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
- While on can hardly disagree with these fine sentiments, the fact of the matter is that the topic ban was enacted, for the period stated. This editor should be advised to accept the matter, and abide by it. He is done a disservice by discussion that might be seen as justifying flaunting the ban. Cheers, two pence. Le Prof 50.179.252.14 (talk) 06:47, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
- I don't know who you are, but i think it does Elvey a service to speak against unjust systems. Conformity is not a virtue. If a system is bad, i'll speak against it. SageRad (talk) 11:05, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
[Note for any (talk page stalker): Sarah is responding below to two threads on her talk page that are worth reading first
Hi Elvey, re: the SPI, I'm not sure what's happening with it, but the best thing is to keep an eye on that page. I don't know anything further about it. Best, SarahSV (talk) 07:28, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
- I meant to leave this link for you: Wikipedia:Blocking IP addresses. As it explains, there's no point in blocking the IPs if not used recently, because they can only be blocked for a short time. SarahSV (talk) 05:15, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
- I'm glad to see that there's some progress; Formerly 98 has been blocked, FINALLY. Thank you for your hard work on this! But really, SarahSV? "can only be blocked for a short time"? That whole sentence bugs me. Why?
1)You're wrong about that 1,232 times * sizeof(range) over. Sorry if this sounds shrill, but it's super frustrating. That's how many current RANGE blocks are indefinite or won't expire in 2016 (and many are /16's!) I'm so sick and tired of hearing admins making grossly inaccurate simplifications like that. And it's aggravating to see that the admins making them are provably not ignorant since they're listed on that page as having placed such blocks. (You're the exception.) Sounds like the meme is so virulent it's infected you. Sorry if this sounds shrill, but it's super frustrating.
2)As I said,And when y'all say the IPs are stale for blocking purposes, that [is super frustrating], because when I raised the issue of this sock, the IPs were not stale AT ALL. They had just ******* been used. And I see no definition of 'stale' other than the 90 day definition, written into policy, which hasn't come close to being reached. So calling 'em stale seems arbitrary. [Edit: Yup, I checked Wikipedia:Blocking IP addresses too; no definition there either.] Do you wish y'all's actions to seem arbitrary; shouldn't stale be defined? You claim that WP:BLOCK says such IPs are stale for blocking purposes, but it says no such thing! If they're stale, it's cuz y'all didn't act in a timely manner.
:-(
3)In the same diff, I said,AGAIN: Do you have ANY evidence that the named IPs in the range are shared among multiple IP editors? All the evidence points to them being used only by this user.
and instead of a civil answer to the reasonable questions, I was threatened, and no response was given. Is that not a reasonable question? Wikipedia:Blocking IP addresses does say:If you propose to block a significant range, or for a significant time, ... check for collateral damage – that is, for the presence of other users who may be unintentionally affected by the range block
- such a check has been done, and for some of the ranges, there would be NO collateral damage from a soft block. Yet they're not blocked! Isshouldn't stale be defined?
not a reasonable question to expect to have answered? BTW, I'm not convinced Formerly 98 was really outed; it's not cool if he was, or that it was attempted, but he claims to be retired and not retired, so I'm not convinced. Jytdog and Formerly 98 not only worked very closely together, they frequently came to each others defense when there was (alleged) wrongdoing. And Jytdog got me topic banned because I kept on accurately describing what a policy said and people who didn't want me to do that called that disruptive. -Elvey(t•c) 15:58, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
- I'm glad to see that there's some progress; Formerly 98 has been blocked, FINALLY. Thank you for your hard work on this! But really, SarahSV? "can only be blocked for a short time"? That whole sentence bugs me. Why?
- Hi Elvey, IPs are blocked for a short time only for the most part. Range blocks occur when there has been sustained and continuing abuse. The two ranges noted on the SPI as his are 2601:643:8100:8AF4::/64 and 169.230.155.0/24. Regarding the second, the only IP I'm aware of in that range is 169.230.155.123. Do you know what any of the others were? SarahSV (talk) 21:59, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
- I've heard that before. I see that you were trying to be helpful by leaving that link for me, and trying to describe what it says. Can you hear that A)I'm no longer seeking to have the IPs or IP ranges blocked. B)It's super frustrating that when I raised the issue of this sock, there was a lot of misinformation and half-truths directed at me, and it's super frustrating when even more not-entirely-accurate info about the same issue is directed at me?
- Hi Elvey, IPs are blocked for a short time only for the most part. Range blocks occur when there has been sustained and continuing abuse. The two ranges noted on the SPI as his are 2601:643:8100:8AF4::/64 and 169.230.155.0/24. Regarding the second, the only IP I'm aware of in that range is 169.230.155.123. Do you know what any of the others were? SarahSV (talk) 21:59, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
- Yes, I do know of other IPs in that range and other ranges that Formerly 98 used. I wish I could edit the SPI or open a new one to add 'em, but I fear doing so as I've been threatened with a block, by an admin who, knowing how admins who have been dishonest in the past act, I'd expect would block me claiming that opening a new SPI related to the closed one is part of what he told me not to do. And the fact that you don't know of other IPs and ranges he used is damn good evidence, IMO, that the reverts of my edits to add 'em to the SPI were disruptive, and that the additions themselves were not, and that my edits should be restored. See here, e.g. this! Oh, and I corrected a typo in your msg, above. And thank you again for your hard work on this! --Elvey(t•c) 00:43, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
Sorry, I was aware of one more in the 169 range and I see a third on the SPI page. If you know of more posted anywhere, please let me know. I asked the clerk if you could post at the SPI talk page, and was told no, so that seems to be that.
Some general advice: try not to get upset about this, partly because it's not good for you, partly because it will mean people won't take the evidence so seriously. Wikipedia's immune system has failed in this case, and in fact has turned in on itself. That doesn't affect you or me. All we can do is point it out, and if people won't listen, well, that's up to them. SarahSV (talk) 02:49, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks for the advice and for trying. The way in which Jytdog stubbornly refused to acknowledge, well, anything, at the discussion you linked to (that he, oddly, excised from an article talk page!!!)) shows how extreme his editing is. That Vanjagenije describes my insistence that editors finally be CIVIL as extremely disruptive and won't let me comment makes me wonder about him.--Elvey(t•c) 02:55, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
- Formerly and I have been in each other's face many, many, many times. Can I now say for a fact that he was a puppet? (Thanks for your work.) Gandydancer (talk) 20:09, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
- Gandydancer, if you have any views about Formerly's editing, it might be helpful to explain them to Xeno and Vanjagenije, the admins handling this. I've offered my opinion on the SPI talk page (from this section onward) that this was a case of extreme advocacy, and that it's therefore important not to make the edits harder to find by letting them be split up. Xeno has implied that it may simply be that I disagreed with Formerly's edits. SarahSV (talk) 20:28, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
- Gandydancer Thanks for the kudos. I have do deal with the ANI thread Jytdog has brougt on now, despite SarahSV's good work. --Elvey(t•c) 03:49, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
- Gandydancer, if you have any views about Formerly's editing, it might be helpful to explain them to Xeno and Vanjagenije, the admins handling this. I've offered my opinion on the SPI talk page (from this section onward) that this was a case of extreme advocacy, and that it's therefore important not to make the edits harder to find by letting them be split up. Xeno has implied that it may simply be that I disagreed with Formerly's edits. SarahSV (talk) 20:28, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
- Formerly and I have been in each other's face many, many, many times. Can I now say for a fact that he was a puppet? (Thanks for your work.) Gandydancer (talk) 20:09, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
I wonder if Jimbo gets this.
Is David H. Gorski off here? What's a "good guarantee"?
[edit]In Nature, David H. Gorski writes, "In CAM, as in science-based medicine, prior plausibility is no guarantee of positive results, but prior probabilities that are as close to zero as those of homeopathy are a good guarantee of negative results."
But I think this is wrong. After all, in double-blind RCTs with sample sizes chosen to find a statistically significant effect in noise[1] with (P ~= .05) shouldn't skeptics expect positive results in around 1 out of 20 studies? Assuming they're generally generally well-designed, wouldn't such studies be considered to be standard?
Given those odds, wouldn't Gorski be foolish to guarantee that well designed RCTs on homeopathy will all produce negative results? I think it would be far more appropriate for Gorski to make a slightly weaker statement, such as "In CAM, as in science-based medicine, ..., but prior probabilities that are as close to zero as those of homeopathy are likely to produce positive results quite rarely."
What say you, (talk page stalker)? User:MastCell, who linked to it? --Elvey(t•c) 14:34, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks for your interest in Gorski's work. You write: ... shouldn't skeptics expect positive results in around 1 out of 20 studies? Not exactly. Assuming a significance threshold of p<0.05, one should expect to incorrectly reject the null hypothesis in 1 out of 20 statistical tests, not in 1 out of 20 studies. (Separately, this expectation should have nothing to do with one's level of "skepticism"). Most published studies describe numerous statistical tests (primary outcomes, secondary outcomes, subgroup analyses, intention-to-treat vs. actually treated, etc.), to say nothing of the opportunities to re-test the same dataset repeatedly by treating variables as categorical vs. continuous and so on. Many times, the authors don't report how many such statistical tests they carried out—they only report the "significant" findings. This is what Andrew Gelman calls "The Garden of Forking Paths".
I'm sure you see the problem: if study authors perform 10 statistical tests with a significance threshold of p<0.05, then the chance of incorrectly reporting a "significant" finding is not 5%; it's actually about 40%. If the authors perform 20 statistical tests, then the chance of a false-positive "significant" finding is at least 65%. (More generally, the likelihood of a false-positive "significance" test is 1 - ((1 - α)n), where α is the significance threshold (typically 0.05) and n is the number of comparisons tested). So the likelihood of incorrectly rejecting the null hypothesis in a given study is not 1 in 20—in fact, it depends on the number of comparisons performed, and is probably closer to 50% than 5%. (Well-designed studies approach this problem by pre-specifying the analyses they will perform, by carefully designating other analyses as exploratory, and by adjusting for multiple comparisons by lowering the α accordingly).
To your point about the sentence in question, I suppose it could have been worded more clearly (although it also suffers by being taken out of context here). It's part of a discussion of true-positive vs. false-positive study results. The point is an elementary restatement of Bayes' theorem: specifically, if the prior probability of a treatment's utility is very low, then "significant" findings of benefit are much more likely to be false-positives than true-positives. MastCell Talk 22:02, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
- MastCell: I'm enjoying this related article. I though I replied earlier. Thanks for the detailed analysis. Good stuff. Seems like you see that yes, I'm right, Gorski was off, but likewise, I was off too; statistics isn't easy stuff; we both simplified that which couldn't be so simplified w/o losing accuracy. --Elvey(t•c) 08:31, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
- I think Ioannidis is the usual reference for the effect of prior plausibility on false positive outcomes. Guy (Help!) 10:49, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
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Darkfrog24
[edit]If you have not yet exhausted all your patience with Darkfrog24, then it is worth reading their unanimously declined appeal to arbcom from April (if you have not already) before considering granting an appeal. Ultimately DF was not engaging in legitimate dispute resolution, but extensively and repeatedly trying to re-litigate their topic ban. They were blocked until such time as they understand the topic ban and agree to abide by it. I have only skim-read the latest comment on their talk page but I do not get the impression that either condition is met. I have no interest in spending any more time on this user, and will unlikely comment further. Thryduulf (talk) 21:39, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
- Thryduulf: (I more or less have exhausted it; I thought my comment on his talk page made that pretty plain, but perhaps the conciliatory tone of my suggestion implied otherwise. I'd not seen the appeal. I do not get the impression that either condition is met either. And I've no desire to grant an appeal either.) Did you misspeak above when you imply I might be "considering granting an appeal"? I guess so; the comment doesn't make sense to me; I have no ability to grant an appeal, right? strike? One good thing is the experience of reading all that may help me better understand what was in the minds of the folks that tbanned me and see where we went wrong.--Elvey(t•c) 22:25, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
Amendment request
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Clinton Foundation page
[edit]Insofar as you have expressed an interest in the shenanigans over at the Clinton Foundation page, I thought you might like to know that the disruption continues, even after encouragement has been given to add encyclopedic info. Wikipedia's record is, as we say in French, très correct. :) SashiRolls (talk) 16:35, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
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[edit]Thank you for refactoring your comments. I've struck out my comments as you requested. [11] --Ronz (talk) 16:35, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
If you don't mind, I think you should consider adopting the proposal at ANI [12]. I was pleasantly surprised that you went ahead and removed your comment after I requested. To me, that says you are willing to correct yourself and try to work with others in better ways. Again, I appreciate it. --Ronz (talk) 20:53, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
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