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Just below is the section of my first editing on Wikipedia and is what I found looking at it once again. I changed vortex to current. But it really wasn't written clearly so I did a little more. I've never heard of a beer sucking in any way other than taste. Yet it was written that the Guinness sucks bubbles down. Pushes the bubbles down makes a lot more sense. Perhaps mentioning entrainment was going to far, but it's not wrong.

I hope whoever re-edited my changes sees this. Do what you think is best, and feel free to delete these comments.

First change: The effect is attributed to drag; bubbles which touch the walls of a glass are slowed in their upwards travel. Bubbles in the centre of the glass are, however, free to rise to the surface, and form a rising column of bubbles. This creates a current, which causes the bubbles near the edge of the glass to be sucked downwards by the base of the column, and pushed downwards by the column's head. [5] Although the effect occurs in any liquid, it is particularly noticeable in any dark nitrogen stout, as the drink combines dark-coloured liquid and light-coloured bubbles.

Final version: The effect is attributed to drag; bubbles which touch the walls of a glass are slowed in their upwards travel. Bubbles in the centre of the glass are, however, free to rise to the surface, and form a rising column of bubbles. The rising bubbles create a current by the entrainment of the surrounding fluid. As beer rises in the center, the beer near the outside of the glass falls. This downward flow pushes the bubbles near the glass towards the bottom. [5] Although the effect occurs in any liquid, it is particularly noticeable in any dark nitrogen stout, as the drink combines dark-coloured liquid and light-coloured bubbles.

I think it might be a good idea to changed the caption for the "perfectly poured" photo as the two pints in the photo are far from being "perfectly poured" - the heads of each pint don't even reach the top of the rim of the glasses. - OFDM 16:50, 25 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe they were perfect but the photographer couldn't help himself taking a sip or two.

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I'd like to propose this image for the perfect pour.--y6y6y6 16:24, 14 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Assuming the image is public domain, I say go for it. I suppose the text of the main article should be edited slightly to indicate that a perfectly poured pint should reach the top of the glass as well.--Gangster Octopus 22:24, 14 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, it's my photo. As public domain as can be.--y6y6y6 22:36, 14 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I am an employee of the Guinness Storehouse and I corrected some inaccuracies. The serving temperature is never 13°C as stated previously. Also, I am certain the water from the Dodder river is not the source of the brewery's supply.

I put back a more neutral langauge wording, given that half the Guinness drinkers I know drink Guinness quite warm, and many eateries and even pubs will ask you if you want it served warm or cold, and keep stocks of both chilled and nearly-room temperature Guinness. The original language indicated that this (higher figure) ideal temperature was quite disputed, and that the lower figure is generally preferred, but also that not all agree. To simply say that "this is incorrect" is POV, especially when considers that it is in reference to a preference of taste and not to an industry recommendation or such. This could stand to be cleaned up a bit later in any case.

Thats right, warm guiness is served at a pub near me. I think its just room temparature. Its nice warm. Borb 22:12, 12 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Is it worth mentioning that Guinness is Kosher and began exporting to the State of Israel in the first month of it's creation? --Irishpunktom\^talk

Here! Here! for the editorial. By the way, if you're ever in Houston, McGonegal's Mucky Duck takes about 4 minutes to pour an imperial pint. --Invictus

Is Guinness a beer first and foremost? Who is the book of world records named after? Does s/he deserve an entry? :-)

It depends on who you are and where you are from. If you say "Guinness" in the U.K. everyone will think of the beer first. Unless you are young, and can't get into pubs, in which case you will probably think of the records book first.

Even in the US, the records book is always referred to as the "Guinness's book of records". Though I don't frequent bars, but I think the short name "Guinness" is always the beer.

Yes, Guinness is a beer first. The Guinness book of records is named after the beer maker.

Guinness originally made the book of records for use in Pub Quizzes

Guinness is not only a book and a beer, it's also a brewer (though he might be posted under his full name), and a brewery! Quite a lot of the interwiki links are ONLY about the beer (the english article is about the brewery AND the beer). And some are about both. Especially note the german article - it's specifically about the beer (Bier = beer), and not the brewery, even though I haven't been able to find an article about the brewery in the german wikipedia. Obviously, at least in my eyes, this seems like a good place for a fork page? Additionally, there should be some cleanup among the interwiki links - it doesn't look that good if you read a page about one subject, and you end up in a similar, but not identic article... 82.83.127.193 9 July 2005 14:30 (UTC)

Is there any information on the brewing process, ingredients, alcohol level, etc? Martin.

You can find some information regarding Guiness at Guiness.com. i.e. "Six Degrees of Preparation GUINNESS® Draught is best served at 6°C (that’s 42.8°F), with the legendary two-part pour. First, tilt the glass to 45 degrees and carefully pour until three quarters full. Then place the glass on the bar counter and leave to settle. Once the surge has settled, fill the glass to the brim. It takes about 119.5 seconds to pour the perfect pint. But don’t fret. It’s worth the wait." - www.Guiness.com

Correction....Guinness is not a beer, its a Stout. I was descended from Arthur Guinness. (McGuinness was my grandmother's maiden name.) Scott Gall 00:18, 2005 Apr 20 (UTC)

Stout is a type of beer. Same as Pinot Noir is a type of wine. Lineage is irrelevant.

NEW SCIENTIST magazine

Worth putting in or too trivial? This is not quite true. Guinness does contain many vitamins and minerals in small quantities, but is lacking vitamin C, as well as calcium and fat. So, to fulfil all of your daily nutritional requirements you would need to drink, a glass of orange juice, two glasses of milk, and 47 pints of Guinness

I'd always heard that it was Guinness AND milk that you could live off. I suppose, as long as you don't mind a little scurvy, that's fine. Darac Marjal 10:34, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Has anyone got a reference for this?

http://theguinnessdiet.blogspot.com/2005/05/so-joke-turned-real.html

Will someone tell Wikipedia that Guinness was first made in 1859 and not in 1857 as they said. What a clumsy mistake.

Well thats gonna be hard to do, considering that it does not say anywhere in the article about 1859 or 1857, and if you are refering to the dates of 1759 and 1757 then you need to re-read the article. It says that the brewery opened in 1756 and didn't brew Guinness untill 1759.

"Arthur Guinness Son & Co., founded 1756, produces a dark stout (a type of beer, specifically porter), known widely as Guinness, brewed at St. James's Gate Brewery, Dublin, Ireland since 1759, when Arthur Guinness signed a 9,000 year lease at £45 per annum for the unused brewery

--Boothy443 | comhrá 22:53, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, 1759 is also probably incorrect for the start date for stout brewing. I will change it if and when I find a source, but I believe Arthur G didn't begin brewing stout for several decades. Moreover, stout and porter are not the same! BrendanH 17:45, 23 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There was a picture of some traffic and apparently a roadside sign for Guinness that was very hard to read as such. I have replaced that with an advert that is mentioned in the article. I can't imagine there are use problems with the picture since it is available as a poster from dozens of different sites on the web. I even have one hanging in my bedroom.

I added a comment in regards to the first noted Exportation in 1769. There is more in the history in regards exportation and brewing outside of Ireland (such as the brewery in Africa). Rowlan 18:37, 5 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

How exactly do you draw a shamrock or harp in the head of guiness?!

By moving the glass as you do the final pour - the flow of liquid through the settled head will leave an obvious line. Also you should be able to stand a match vertically in the head of a properly poured pint of Guinness.