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{{nutshell|Consensus is Wikipedia's fundamental model for editorial decision-making. |
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⚫ | Consensus is typically reached as a natural product of the editing process; generally someone makes a change or addition to a page, and then everyone who reads the page has an opportunity to either leave the page as it is or change it. In essence silence implies consent if there is adequate exposure to the community. In the case of policy pages a higher standard of participation and consensus is expected. |
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Wikipedia works by building [[consensus decision-making|consensus]]. |
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When there are disagreements, they are resolved through polite reasoning, cooperation, and if necessary, [[Wikipedia:negotiation|negotiation]] on [[Help:Talk page|talk pages]], in an attempt to develop and maintain a [[Wikipedia:neutral point of view|neutral point of view]] which consensus can agree upon. If we find that a particular consensus happens often, we write it down as a [[Wikipedia:policies and guidelines|guideline]], to save people the time having to discuss the same principles over and over. In the rare situations where consensus is hard to find, the [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution|dispute resolution processes]] provide several other ways agreed by the community, to involve independent editors and more experienced help in the discussion, and to address the problems which prevent a consensus from arising. |
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When consensus is referred to in Wikipedia discussion, it always means 'within the framework of established policy and practice'. Even a majority of a limited group of editors will almost never outweigh community consensus on a wider scale, as documented within policies. |
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== Reasonable consensus-building == |
== Reasonable consensus-building == |
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Consensus develops from agreement of the parties involved. This can be reached through discussion, action (editing), or more often, a combination of the two. Consensus can only work among reasonable editors who make a [[Wikipedia:Assume good faith|good faith effort]] to work together in a [[Wikipedia:Civility|civil manner]]. Developing consensus requires special attention to [[WP:NPOV|neutrality]] - remaining neutral in our actions in an effort to reach a compromise that everyone can agree on. |
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Note that consensus can only work among reasonable editors who make a good faith effort to work together to accurately and appropriately describe the different views on the subject. (e.g. insisting on insertion of an insignificant factoid into an article in opposition to many other editors has been judged a violation of consensus; see [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Charles Darwin-Lincoln dispute]].) |
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== How consensus emerges during the editing process == |
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It is difficult to specify exactly what constitutes a reasonable or rational position. Good editors acknowledge that positions opposed to their own may be reasonable. However, stubborn insistence on an eccentric position, with refusal to consider other viewpoints in good faith, is not justified under Wikipedia's consensus practice. (Note that in the rare case that the "eccentric" position turns out to have merit, the consensus can change). |
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''See also:'' [[Wikipedia:Editing policy|Wikipedia:Editing policy]] |
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[[Image:CCC Flowchart 6.jpg|thumb|right|300px|When an edit is made, other editors have these options: accept the edit, change the edit, or [[Help:Reverting|revert]] the edit. These options may be discussed if necessary.]] |
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Generally someone edits a page, and then subsequent viewers of the page have three options: accept the edit, change the edit, or [[Help:Reverting|revert]] the edit. Included in each of the courses is the option to discuss the action before or after the action. Typically, each article goes through many iterations of the consensus process to achieve a [[Wikipedia:Neutral point of view|neutral]] and readable product. If your ideas are not immediately accepted, think of a reasonable change that might integrate your ideas with others and make an edit, or discuss those ideas. This can be done at the talk page, as an edit summary, or as a note to others at a user talk page or other widely read page such as the Village pump. [[Wikipedia:Edit war|Edit wars]] can lead to [[Wikipedia:Page protection|page protection]] rather than improvements to the article. |
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== Use of the talk page == |
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Even if an editor's contributions appear to be biased, keep in mind that their edits may have been made in good faith, out of a genuine desire to improve the article. Editors ''must'', in almost all situations, [[WP:AGF|assume good faith]] and must always remain [[WP:CIVIL|civil]]. |
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''See also:'' [[Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines|Talk page guidelines]] |
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Be '''[[WP:BOLD|bold]]''' in editing; you can also use the [[Help:Talk page|talk page]] to discuss improvements to the article, and to form consensus concerning the editing of the page. In the case of [[wikipedia:policies and guidelines|policy pages]] a higher standard of participation and consensus is expected. In cases where consensus is particularly hard to find, the involvement of independent editors or more experienced help in the discussion may be necessary. If editing of the page is impeded by [[Wikipedia:edit war|edit war]]s, or is [[Wikipedia:Disruptive editing|disrupted]], or consensus cannot be found on the talk page through ordinary discussion, there are more formal [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution|dispute resolution processes]]. |
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[[Image:Consensus new and old.svg|thumb|right|400px|Wikipedia consensus process flowchart]] |
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== Participating in community discussions == |
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Consensus is not immutable. It is reasonable, and sometimes necessary, for the community to change its mind. A small group making a decision does so on behalf of the community as a whole, at a point in time. If the community disagrees, the decision was badly founded, or views change, then the updated consensus replaces the old one. |
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Community discussion takes place on various pages: noticeboards such as at [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents|Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents]]; or pages such as [[Wikipedia:Requests for comment|Requests for comment]], [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration|Requests for arbitration]] and the [[Wikipedia:Village pump|Village pump]]. These processes require collaborative effort and considered input from their participants in order to form a consensus and act appropriately upon the consensus that can be discerned. |
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A small group of editors can reach a consensual decision, but when the article gains wider attention, others may then disagree. The original group should not block further change on grounds that they already have made a decision. No one person, and no (limited) group of people, can unilaterally declare that community consensus has changed, or that it is fixed and determined. An editor who thinks there are good reasons to believe a consensual decision is outdated may discuss it on the relevant [[WP:TALKPAGE|talk page]], through a [[WP:RFC|Request for Comment]], or at the [[WP:VP|Village Pump]] or [[WP:3O|Third Opinion]] to see what points other editors think are important, and to compare and examine the different viewpoints and reasons. |
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In determining consensus carefully consider the strength and quality of the arguments themselves, including the evolution of the final positions, the objection of those who disagree, and in complex situations, existing documentation in the project namespace. [[Minority]] opinions typically reflect genuine concerns, and the logic may outweigh the logic of the majority. [[WP:BITE|New users]] who are not yet familiar with consensus should realize that a poll (if one is even held) is often more likely to be the start of a discussion than it is to be the end of one. The outcome may be decided ''during discussion''. |
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This does not mean that Wikipedia ignores precedent. A precedent usually has reasons too, which may still be valid. There is a distinction between unresolved [[WP:FAITH|good-faith]] concerns over a reasonable or policy related matter, and [[WP:DISRUPT|disruptively]] trying to enforce an individual view. An issue decided in the past can always be discussed again, especially if there is new information or a question of policy being breached. |
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In the few cases where polls are used, note that they are actually structured discussions, your opinion is much more effective when you provide a rationale during a poll, not just a simple vote. |
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Wikipedia's decisions are ever-changing, because new people visit every day, and through new information and new ideas, we may gain insights we did not have previously. It is important that there is a way to challenge past decisions, however these decisions were reached. Decisions should therefore practically never be "binding" in the sense that the decision cannot be taken back. Some decisions have been made by a large number of editors. For example, the [[Wikipedia:Three-revert rule|three-revert rule]] would need |
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a great number of the Wikipedia community to participate in a discussion to determine if consensus for the rule has changed or been lost. A less widespread discussion, such as discussion on the policy talk page, or even a [[WP:BOLD|bold edit]], might be enough to establish a change of consensus on a detail of the policy or other minor improvement. |
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=== "Asking the other parent" === |
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⚫ | It is very easy to create the appearance of a changing consensus simply by asking again and hoping that a different and more sympathetic group of people will discuss the issue. This, however, is a poor example of changing consensus, and is antithetical to the way that Wikipedia works. Wikipedia's decisions are not based on the number of people who showed up and voted a particular way on a particular day |
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Consensus is not immutable. Past decisions are open to challenge and are not binding, and changes are sometimes reasonable. |
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A good sign that you have not demonstrated a change in consensus, so much as a change in the people showing up, is if few or none of the people involved in the previous discussion show up for the new one. In this situation you may find that any changes you make to the article are quickly reverted by people outside the new talk page discussion. Do not be tempted to [[WP:EW|edit war]] but instead post comments on the talk page encouraging others to participate in the new discussion. |
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Wikipedia's processes remain flexible for several reasons including: |
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Asking for a consensus in a completely different "venue" or section of Wikipedia, in the hope of finding more support for a failed proposal, is known disapprovingly as [[forum-shopping]]. It's better to find the most appropriate page for discussing the topic, then ask there first and only. (This doesn't mean you can't take your proposal elsewhere if you're told you chose the wrong page for the topic.) |
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*new people bring fresh ideas, |
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*as we grow we evolve new needs, and |
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*sometimes we find a better way to do things. |
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Sometimes a representative group makes a decision on behalf of the community as a whole, at a point in time. More often, people [[Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines#Sources of Wikipedia policy|document changes to existing procedures]] at some arbitrary point in time after the fact. |
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==Consensus in practice== |
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Consensus does not mean that everyone agrees with the outcome; instead, it means that everyone agrees to abide by the outcome. The following description of consensus, from the [http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2005-July/026513.html mailing list], argues a difference between consensus and unanimity: |
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''See also:'' [[Wikipedia:Forum shopping|Forum shopping]] |
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In fact WP's standard way of operating is a rather good illustration of what it does mean: a mixture across the community of those who are largely agreed, some who disagree but 'agree to disagree' without disaffection, those who don't agree but give low priority to the given issue, those who disagree strongly but concede that there is a community view and respect it on that level, some vocal and unreconciled folk, some who operate 'outside the law'. You find out whether you have consensus, if not unanimity, when you try to build on it. |
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⚫ | It is very easy to create the appearance of a changing consensus simply by asking again and hoping that a different and more sympathetic group of people will discuss the issue. This, however, is a poor example of changing consensus, and is antithetical to the way that Wikipedia works. Wikipedia's decisions are not based on the number of people who showed up and voted a particular way on a particular day based on a system of good reasons. |
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While the most important part of consensus-building is to ensure all issues are considered and listened to in the discussion, it is often difficult to reach a single conclusion, and the debate can become unwieldy as more people participate than can effectively cooperate (see: [[Dunbar's number]]). At times it is not clear what (if any) consensus may be accessible, how to work towards one effectively, and to identify when one exists. [so what is done then?] |
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In practice, a lot of people look in on an issue and check to see if a (mere) majority exists in favor of their position. While this quick and dirty rule helps you to figure out what to spend your time on, it is obviously *not* the same thing as finding the actual consensus (or what it will end up as). To do that, you actually need to carefully consider the strength and quality of the arguments themselves (including any additional concerns that may have been raised along the way), the basis of objection of those who disagree, and in more complex situations, existing documentation in the project namespace should also be checked. If you are volunteering to carry out an action on the basis of rough consensus, only this thorough approach is acceptable. |
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Minority opinions typically reflect genuine concerns, and discussion should continue in an effort to try to negotiate the most favorable compromise that is still practical. In situations with a deadline, a perfect compromise may not have been reached by all participants at the deadline. Nevertheless, a course of action should be chosen that is likely to satisfy the most persons (rather than merely the majority). Running roughshod over the (then) minority is the best way to get yourself into almost unlimited amounts of trouble. Besides, next time someone from that minority might be the final closer, and you might be one of the people in a minority, so it's a good idea to be a gentleperson at all times and set a good example. |
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So in summary, wikipedia decision making is not based on formal vote counting ("[[m:Voting is evil|Wikipedia is not a majoritarian democracy]]"). This means that polling alone is not considered a means of decision-making, and it is certainly '''not a binding vote''', and you do not need to abide by polls per se. Polling is generally discouraged, except in specialized processes such as AFD. |
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New users who are not yet familiar with consensus should realize that a poll is often more likely to be the start of a discussion than it is to be the end of one! The true decision is typically made during discussion. This is also why you should always provide a further rationale during a poll. People can then engage you in discussion and work out an acceptable compromise. This can be very empowering. Provided you do your homework right, at times your opinion alone will be enough to tip the scales, or even decide the issue all on its own! |
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==Exceptions== |
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There are a few exceptions that supersede consensus decisions on a page. |
There are a few exceptions that supersede consensus decisions on a page. |
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*Declarations from [[Jimmy Wales]], [[m:Board of Trustees|the Board]], or [[mw:Developers|the Developers]], particularly for server load or legal issues ([[copyright]], [[Invasion of privacy|privacy rights]], and [[Slander and libel|libel]]) have policy status (see [[Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines#Sources of Wikipedia policy]]). |
*Declarations from [[Jimmy Wales]], [[m:Board of Trustees|the Board]], or [[mw:Developers|the Developers]], particularly for server load or legal issues ([[copyright]], [[Invasion of privacy|privacy rights]], and [[Slander and libel|libel]]) have policy status (see [[Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines#Sources of Wikipedia policy]]). |
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*[[Wikipedia:Office Actions]] on a specific article (such as stubbing or protecting it) are outside the policies of the English Wikipedia. |
*[[Wikipedia:Office Actions]] on a specific article (such as stubbing or protecting it) are outside the policies of the English Wikipedia. |
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*Consensus decisions in specific cases are not expected to override consensus on a wider scale very quickly - for instance, a local debate on a |
*Consensus decisions in specific cases are not expected to override consensus on a wider scale very quickly - for instance, a local debate on a does not override the larger consensus behind a policy or guideline. The cannot decide that for articles, policy does not apply. |
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*[[m:Foundation Issues|Foundation Issues]] lay out the basic principles for all Wikimedia projects. These represent the largest consensus decisions achievable among all Wikimedia projects. These consensuses are fundamental and affect all other Wikimedia and Wikipedia agreements. This means they evolve very slowly. |
*[[m:Foundation Issues|Foundation Issues]] lay out the basic principles for all Wikimedia projects. These represent the largest consensus decisions achievable among all Wikimedia projects. These consensuses are fundamental and affect all other Wikimedia and Wikipedia agreements. This means they evolve very slowly. |
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==Note on use of discussion page== |
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While the consensus process does not ''require'' posting to the discussion page, it can be useful and is encouraged. It is also a good idea to check the discussion page before making an edit, because someone may have thought of it before, or discussed something that sheds more light on the subject. Otherwise "[[WP:BOLD|be bold]]"; ultimately, improving articles is what Wikipedia is all about. |
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Edit summaries are short and can be misinterpreted. Discussing your edit may help it attract consensus. Sometimes misunderstandings occur because people see the edit before any rationale is posted on the talk page. Posting a comment before editing is the best way to avoid such misunderstandings (but if you post a comment before editing, please make the associated edit immediately afterwards). To avoid falling into a similar trap yourself: if you are unsure about an edit someone has made, wait a reasonable amount of time to allow them to post a comment. |
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== See also == |
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* [[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates]] |
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* [[Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines]] |
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* [[Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle]] |
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* [http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2005-July/026513.html WikiEN-l mailing list Jul 2005] |
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Revision as of 23:00, 18 May 2008
This page documents an English Wikipedia policy. It describes a widely accepted standard that editors should normally follow, though exceptions may apply. Changes made to it should reflect consensus. |
This page in a nutshell:
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Consensus is typically reached as a natural and inherent product of the wiki-editing process; generally someone makes a change or addition to a page, and then everyone who reads the page has an opportunity to either leave the page as it is or change it. In essence, silence implies consent, if there is adequate exposure to the community. In the case of policy and process pages a higher standard of participation and consensus is expected, because we attempt to document the actual consesus which has evolved through practice, rather than form a consensus of what we think it should be. Consensus among a limited group of editors, at one place and time, should never over-ride community consensus on a wider scale, unless convincing arguments cause the new process to become widely accepted.
Reasonable consensus-building
Consensus develops from agreement of the parties involved. This can be reached through discussion, action (editing), or more often, a combination of the two. Consensus can only work among reasonable editors who make a good faith effort to work together in a civil manner. Developing consensus requires special attention to neutrality - remaining neutral in our actions in an effort to reach a compromise that everyone can agree on.
How consensus emerges during the editing process
See also: Wikipedia:Editing policy
Generally someone edits a page, and then subsequent viewers of the page have three options: accept the edit, change the edit, or revert the edit. Included in each of the courses is the option to discuss the action before or after the action. Typically, each article goes through many iterations of the consensus process to achieve a neutral and readable product. If your ideas are not immediately accepted, think of a reasonable change that might integrate your ideas with others and make an edit, or discuss those ideas. This can be done at the talk page, as an edit summary, or as a note to others at a user talk page or other widely read page such as the Village pump. Edit wars can lead to page protection rather than improvements to the article.
Use of the talk page
See also: Talk page guidelines
Be bold in editing; you can also use the talk page to discuss improvements to the article, and to form consensus concerning the editing of the page. In the case of policy pages a higher standard of participation and consensus is expected. In cases where consensus is particularly hard to find, the involvement of independent editors or more experienced help in the discussion may be necessary. If editing of the page is impeded by edit wars, or is disrupted, or consensus cannot be found on the talk page through ordinary discussion, there are more formal dispute resolution processes.
Participating in community discussions
Community discussion takes place on various pages: noticeboards such as at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents; or pages such as Requests for comment, Requests for arbitration and the Village pump. These processes require collaborative effort and considered input from their participants in order to form a consensus and act appropriately upon the consensus that can be discerned.
In determining consensus carefully consider the strength and quality of the arguments themselves, including the evolution of the final positions, the objection of those who disagree, and in complex situations, existing documentation in the project namespace. Minority opinions typically reflect genuine concerns, and the logic may outweigh the logic of the majority. New users who are not yet familiar with consensus should realize that a poll (if one is even held) is often more likely to be the start of a discussion than it is to be the end of one. The outcome may be decided during discussion.
In the few cases where polls are used, note that they are actually structured discussions, your opinion is much more effective when you provide a rationale during a poll, not just a simple vote.
Consensus can change
Consensus is not immutable. Past decisions are open to challenge and are not binding, and changes are sometimes reasonable.
Wikipedia's processes remain flexible for several reasons including:
- new people bring fresh ideas,
- as we grow we evolve new needs, and
- sometimes we find a better way to do things.
Sometimes a representative group makes a decision on behalf of the community as a whole, at a point in time. More often, people document changes to existing procedures at some arbitrary point in time after the fact.
Forum shopping
See also: Forum shopping
It is very easy to create the appearance of a changing consensus simply by asking again and hoping that a different and more sympathetic group of people will discuss the issue. This, however, is a poor example of changing consensus, and is antithetical to the way that Wikipedia works. Wikipedia's decisions are not based on the number of people who showed up and voted a particular way on a particular day; they are based on a system of good reasons.
Exceptions
There are a few exceptions that supersede consensus decisions on a page.
- Declarations from Jimmy Wales, the Board, or the Developers, particularly for server load or legal issues (copyright, privacy rights, and libel) have policy status (see Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines#Sources of Wikipedia policy).
- Office Actions on a specific article (such as stubbing or protecting it) are outside the policies of the English Wikipedia.
- Consensus decisions in specific cases are not expected to override consensus on a wider scale very quickly - for instance, a local debate on a WikiProject does not override the larger consensus behind a policy or guideline. The WikiProject cannot decide that for the articles within its scope, some policy does not apply, unless they can convince the broader community that doing so is the right course of action.
- Foundation Issues lay out the basic principles for all Wikimedia projects. These represent the largest consensus decisions achievable among all Wikimedia projects. These consensuses are fundamental and affect all other Wikimedia and Wikipedia agreements. This means they evolve very slowly.