User talk:Non-dropframe/Archive 1/2008/September

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For no reason Non-dropframe has deleted my article on LCMSC, so I'm adding that to the talk page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mas12806 (talk • contribs) 21:38, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Hello, Mas12806. Here at Wikipedia, I cannot delete pages. I can only nominate pages for deletion. As can be seen at the page now, 16:34, 2 September 2008 Accounting4Taste (Talk | contribs) deleted "LCMSC" ‎ (A7 (group): Doesn't indicate importance or significance of a group/company/etc.: Article about an a group or club, which does not assert notability (CSD A7)). For more information, see WP: CSD A7 Thanks. Non-dropframe (talk) 21:47, 2 September 2008 (UTC) Dear Wikipedia, I am so sorry about the hole Keltie Coleen thing. I am so sorry, i only wanted to make my point clear. Oh, i am soooooooooo sorry. :(

Non-dropframe also suggested deletion of "Sarah Palin's Pastor", which refers to Ed Kalnins, who is NOT Sarah Panin's Pastor. The page on Sarah Palin's former pastor, Ed Kalnins, has also been deleted, on the grounds that he is not notable (despite being incorrectly referred to all day on cable, not by name, but by the expression "Sarah Palin's Pastor". And it is impossible to link from Sarah Palin's page to her former church, "Wasilly Assembly of God", to her former pastor, "Ed Kalnins", or to the incorrect but used on cable expression "Sarah Palin's Pastor".

Someone is controlling the release of information about Palin and her former pastor Kalnins (who said you can't go to heaven if you vote for Kerry, and that you will go to hell if you criticise Bush's handling of Katrina.

(I do not know how to sign this. If there is a way to privately communicate with the people recommending my articles be deleted, please let me know.)

Actually I suggested deletion under the grounds of it being an attack page. (WP:CSD#G10). Again, I have no control over which pages are and aren't deleted. I nominated both of the mentioned pages due to the fact that they conflict with Wikipedia's guidelines. An administrator agreed and that page was deleted. Furthermore, Eric, you re-created a deleted page multiple times which is further grounds for deletion. By the way, you may sign your posts with four ~. Thanks, Non-dropframe (talk) 00:53, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

You auggested deletion of Ed Kalnins by saying personal attacks are not allowed. What personal attack? I objectively stated his quotes and referenced links including to his own site containing videotapes of the quotes.

Why was this informatino deleted?

I wrote the Wasilla Assembly of God page. Why does the Wasilla Assembly of God link on the Sarah Palin page go to a page other than the page I wrote?

Why does Wikipedia administration not allow Ed Kalnins to be referenced on its Sarah Palins page, but the same is not true for Reverend Wright and Barak Obama? ``` EricDiesel —Preceding unsigned comment added by EricDiesel (talk • contribs) 00:57, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Look, Eric. It is clear that you wrote your article in a biased way. That bias is a personal attack. I can't answer the rest of your questions. Perhaps you should write an email to the administrator who deleted the page. --Non-dropframe (talk) 01:02, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Is an article on Hitler that describes death camps but fails to mention Hitlers day care centers biased? Are you saying that Wikipedia has a requirement of equal time, as on broadcast networks. Should Intelligent Design get equal time as a science theory because Palin wants it to?

Please indicate what was biased.

Please give at least on example. —Preceding unsigned comment added by EricDiesel (talk • contribs) 01:13, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

There are so very many things wrong with your argument but I'm going to just ignore it. There is nothing I could do for you if I wanted to so I have no idea what you want from me. I have done my job, the administrator has done their job. If you would really like to be an unbiased editor of this encyclopedia, you should likely read this: WP:Your first article. --Non-dropframe (talk) 01:19, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

You've just given me a warning for removing a speedy delete tag from a page I created (Miners Derby). If you check the history of the page you'll find that I did not create the page and so am perfectly enititled to remove the speedy as per WP:DP#Speedy deletion. I'd appreciate it if you could remove the warning from my page with a comment in the edit summary that it was placed incorrectly so that other editors are aware that it shouldn't have applied. Dpmuk (talk) 01:17, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Cheers for that - I often check the speedy deletion candidates as I once saved an article from deletion that went on to be a DYK article and as such like to make sure speedys are applied correctly. As for the article itself I'll see if I can find any sources etc now but I still think context is there (just). Football derbys are significant events in England and I strongly suspect that even one in the lower leagues will have signifcant coverage. Dpmuk (talk) 01:27, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Further update - seems that there's no relevant google hits for this although it is listed at Local derbies in the United Kingdom. I think that latter page needs a fair amount of work given the lack of references. Anyway have now prodded Miners Derby as I don't think any speedy is applicable. Dpmuk (talk) 01:35, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Mark Silva, White House correspondent for The Chicago Tribune, writes that “Kalnins has preached that critics of Bush will be banished to Hell, questioned if people who voted for Sen. John Kerry in 2004 would be accepted to Heaven, charged that the 9/11 terrorist attacks and Iraq were part of a war ‘contending for your faith’; and that Jesus ‘operated from that position of war mode’.” This language is almost identical to the portions deleted from my final edit of my article, only without my direct quotes supporting Silna's summary. http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/09/palins_past_pastor_bushfoes_he.html#more

The Sarah Palin page is not available to edit, the Wasilla Assembly of God reference does not link to the Wasilla Assembly of God page, and there is no reference to her controversial pastor. The web is thick with pages Kalnins references. I summarized all the information I could find that was objective, and referenced his own posting of his quotes.

Today was my first attempt to write Wikipedia articles. If there was a problem with my articles, I should have been allowed to edit them. Instead, information is being controlled on the Sarah Palin page, and no other information is being allowed on Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by EricDiesel (talk • contribs) 04:35, 3 September 2008 (UTC)