Moisejp
Hi my friend. Great to see you temp back, and waiting with breted breath to see what you and Zimbo come up with. One thing I dont get though is why ye never consider "Streets of Philadelphia" as a song article. its way, way, my fav bruce song. Anyway things recovering here in 2024; both myself and Liz lost our fathers at the end of last year, and that#s not much fun.[1]
As a side note, and dunno if you are much of a Joy Division nerd, but have been considering creating a page on their frustrated "third album". Tracks would have included "Love Will Tear Us Apart", "Transmission", the deeply affecting "Komakino",[2] which has perhaps Hookies strongest bass line, and only god knows what else. Ceoil (talk) 11:12, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Ceoil, so sorry to hear about your and Liz's losses—sincerest deep condolences. :-( I don't mind "Streets of Philadelphia" but musically it reminds me too much of Valentine's Day, not sure if you agree. I'm actually an un-Joy Division non-hipster—they're among the bands I've always wanted to check out but sadly never got to. In my teens I became especially familiar with Rolling Stone's 100 Best Albums of the 1980s list, and had a good respect for everything on it, even if I didn't get to hearing it all. Last year I saw someone wearing a Metallica Kill 'Em All t-shirt, then by coincidence a minute later someone wearing a New Order Power, Corruption and Lies t-shirt. I told him, "Hey, cool t-shirt. That guy over there is wearing a Metallica Kill 'Em All t-shirt. Two classic albums of the eighties, both on Rolling Stone's list of the best 100 albums of the decade." But in a way I felt kind of like a wanna-be because I hadn't actually heard either album. Joy Division's Closer is also on the list. All right, tonight once and for all I want to listen to them—I've actually coincidentally been thinking about this recently. I want to start with PCL and Closer, and then try to get to the songs you linked to sometime after that. Thanks for the nudge! Moisejp (talk) 02:31, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
- A "un-Joy Division" music fan? Dude, never darken my depressing goth door again :) Hadn't heard Valentine's Day before...many thanks for that. Saw your review of the Hoff's FAC; thats me back listing to early 80s jangle-pop again...never thought that band got the cred they were due...there was a period before they hit big when they were Velves covering indie darlings in the British music press, and my god did they rock live.[3] Ceoil (talk) 11:40, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yo Ceoil, I finally have a mo to get back to you! Thanks for the link, I enjoyed their cover of "Waiting for the Man". A number of months ago for the first time in forever I discovered a new band I really like, La Femme from France. Maybe they're well known in the UK and Ireland (being from just across the English Channel)? I'd never heard of them, but a friend sent me a link to this song: [[4]] which is their most commercial song I've heard. They've got several albums and I'm still slowly exploring them. One of their albums is all in Spanish: [[5]] <-- the fourth song "Y Tu Te Vas" is my favourite for now from that one. "Paradigme" the first tune from the album "Paradigmes" is another one that's among my current favourites [[6]]. Yeah, dunno if you already know them and do/will like them, but that's my musical report for you this time. :-) Moisejp (talk) 17:13, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- A "un-Joy Division" music fan? Dude, never darken my depressing goth door again :) Hadn't heard Valentine's Day before...many thanks for that. Saw your review of the Hoff's FAC; thats me back listing to early 80s jangle-pop again...never thought that band got the cred they were due...there was a period before they hit big when they were Velves covering indie darlings in the British music press, and my god did they rock live.[3] Ceoil (talk) 11:40, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
Nebraska question
editHey there old friend. Was wondering if you'd be able let me know what Clayton Heylin states is the recording date for all the Nebraska songs? I'm currently having it say "December 17, 1981, to January 3, 1982, although I only have only source that gives this range (Margotin and Guesdon), with three that say it was all done on January 3. If you could help me out I'd greatly appreciate it. Thanks! – zmbro (talk) (cont) 21:25, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
To add on to this, what dates does he give for "The Big Payback" (B-side of "Open All Night") and "My Father's House"? Thanks! – zmbro (talk) (cont) 21:56, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
Hi Zmbro, I'll try to get back to you soon. Thanks for your patience! Moisejp (talk) 15:13, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
Hi Zmbro, "My Father's House" May 25, 1982 Colt's Neck. "The Big Payback" no definitive recording date, probably January to April 1982, Colt's Neck. Heylin says the notes in Essential Bruce Springsteen say "The Big Payback" was recorded "shortly after" Nebraska recording was completed. Heylin also gives December 17, 1981, to January 3, 1982 for the Nebraska recording dates. Yeah, I remember when I was mentioning the recording of Nebraska in "I'm Goin' Down" one source I saw specifically said the often cited "all done on January 3" scenario was unlikely—it might have been Heylin, but there are some pages missing from the preview I'm looking at, and I couldn't find it (if indeed it was Heylin). Himes also mentions it was January 3 that just the mixing was done of "the best songs from the new work the singer had been recording" (p. 26 in the PDF I sent you before).
- Heylin, Clinton (2012). E Street Shuffle: The Glory Days of Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band (2013 ed.). Constable. ISBN 978-1-78033-868-2.
- Nebraska recording: p. 309.
- "My Father's House": p. 490.
- The Big Payback": p. 484.
If you're doing a serious overhaul of the Nebraska article, which I'm sure you are, Heylin goes into lots of detail about the album and its songs. Just a thought if you want to invest in it for this and future articles. As I mentioned, you can access some of it [here] but you need to search with specific search terms, you can't just read through page by page. Some of the pages are inaccessible to preview. Cheers! Moisejp (talk) 06:03, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- I've encountered another problem: the song(s) "Bye Bye Johnny"/"Johnny Bye-Bye". So "Bye Bye Johnny", a supposed cover of a Chuck Berry song, was on the original Nebraska tape. In his notes to Jon Landau, Springsteen annoyingly wrote "no explanation necessary" (Zanes, p. 164). He then apparently rewrote the song as "Johnny Bye-Bye" (credited to Springsteen and Berry) during the U.S.A. sessions. Rob Kirkpatrick says:
- "Johnny Bye Bye"—the "I'm on Fire" B-side which borrows its two opening lines from Chuck Berry's "Bye Bye Johnny" (Berry got cowriting credits on the song) and serves as an ode to Elvis, with the image of Hank Williams's white Cadillac death car thrown in for good measure (p. 102)
- Kirkpatrick says that "Johnny Bye-Bye" was the B-side of "I'm on Fire" (p. 104), as does Discogs. Margotin and Guesdon have a discrepancy in their book: in the "I'm on Fire" section, they say "Bye Bye Johnny" was the B-side (p. 240), yet in the "Johnny Bye-Bye" section, they say this song was the B-side (p. 259). Geoffrey Himes says on p. 27: ""Pink Cadillac" and "Bye Bye Johnny" would be re-recorded and seriously considered for the Born in the U.S.A. album, only to be bumped at the last moment to the B-sides of the "Dancing in the Dark" and "I'm on Fire" singles." Out of the 15 songs on the original demo tape, Himes says "The Losin' Kind" is the only one that remains unreleased.
- Basically, I'm confused on the difference between these two songs. According to Peter Ames Carlin, "Bye Bye Johnny" had already been performed by the time it appeared on the demo tape (p. 292). I tried the open library to view Heylin's book and it's apparently been down for over 10 days. It's weird that the sources I have don't really specify the difference. If you have any other sources or info about this I'd appreciate it, because this is one thing I'm pretty stuck on rn. – zmbro (talk) (cont) 15:36, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Additional I'm also struggling to find the single release date for "Atlantic City". Margotin and Guesdon also have a discrepancy with the date for "Open All Night": in the "Open All Night" section, they say November 22, 1982, (p. 214), yet in "The Big Payback" section, that says October 21, 1980 (p. 218), which is most definitely a typo; it's just weird how nobody caught that... – zmbro (talk) (cont) 15:41, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Hi Zmbro, hope you're well! Sorry for my late reply. Can you access this: [9]? I see a bunch of excerpts on the left. When you click them, they're supposed to take you to the full page, but that functionality is not working for me right now, no doubt due to the ongoing gradual recovery of the website. I guess it's the same for you? Unfortunately just seeing the excerpts misses out on some of the context and extra details that there might be. I get the same limited functionality if I search for "Atlantic City" or "Open All Night". Maybe accessibility will get better soon, we can only hope. Good luck! Moisejp (talk) 19:35, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
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