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A map purporting to show a statistical distribution and created by a contributor who provides no source for the data on which it is allegedly based is useless Sitush (talk) 13:41, 9 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

 Abstain : This is problematic as it seems it was not created by the uploader. Presumably the original source provides the data it is based on. Wherever that is is quite difficult to discern --moogsi (blah) 04:30, 10 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
EDIT: it has become apparent that the uploader IS the creator of the map, making the reason for my vote invalid --moogsi (blah) 11:04, 20 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
 Delete: Yes, it should be promptly deleted. It is copied badly. The original should be restored on all places.--Khalid Mahmood (talk) 07:56, 10 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
 Abstain : Not to be deleted, Mr. Khalid Mehmood you actually up loaded a similar map but that was based on positions of Sir Gerison Linguistic work of 1920. British Colonial settlements post irrigation system in Punjab in 1930's and Post independence 1947 Migrations as well as recent settlements in Choolistan desert has brought in Majhi dialect Settlers and mixed up the demography in Shah Puri, Jaangli, Changvi, and Riasti dialect speaking areas.You being a local will also appropriate the facts stated by me. I acknowledge your work and efforts on Punjabi dialect articles. Please see those articles and you will appreciate my effort on those articles to carry forward your initiative. Being a professional I request you and all other's support to not delete the File which with all my honesty is very true representation of 2013 positions Maria0333 (talk) 16:00, 14 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
And your reliable source for the data is? - Sitush (talk) 22:17, 15 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
For that you have to do a lot of reading . If you are linguist then you will easily digest the material in following references. but if you are not a linguist then you better stay away [1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10] [11][12][13]Maria0333 (talk) 09:36, 18 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Hm. Well, it looks like you have created the image by synthesising information from various sources in order to present a unique summary, a montage of facs gleaned from several places. Even if this file survives on Commons, it cannot be used on English Wikipedia for this reason. Other people may not have a problem with it but English Wikipedia will have. - Sitush (talk) 07:17, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Well, No one has objected on English Wikipedia so why you not being professional linguist taking extra Head ache and interest. It is not digesting. You better focus on something productive. Additionally who told you that I have synthesized it. I just referred you to books where you can read and verify my map because unfortunately you neither a local nor a linguist so its my duty to guide you through. BEST RegardsMaria0333 (talk) 08:09, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I objected and I am fairly sure that I've seen someone else object a while before me. The point is, none of the sources you provide contain all of the information and working out which bit comes from which source is a nightmare. I do not think Commons has a policy against synthesising content and so perhaps this is ok here, but English Wikipedia does and even if the image survives here it will be removed from all the articles on English Wikipedia that currently use it. Whether that leaves it with any value is a matter for this community to consider. My remarks were intended as a "heads-up", a comment on what is going to happen regardless of this deletion discussion. - Sitush (talk) 18:29, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, and I am not sure that all of the various sources have used the same method to arrive at the conclusion that you have aggregated from them. - Sitush (talk) 18:52, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I again advise you to stay away from an area where you are not an expert. I am a linguist and this work belongs to me as I have indicated in my up load. In my Masters times I read all these books so I referred you to them. You should understand the Fact for example an accountant has his own competence although when ever his Chief executive asks him something about accounting he refers his CEO to books like Maigs and Meigs and Tax ACT etc because those books provided him a base. His own vision or work could not be out rightly rejected because he made a base from such books as a new learner. Applying to my case you cant out rightly reject it. The only option available to some one who thinks that there is a wrong representation in the map which I up loaded ..for example Thalochi dialect in the map then I well come to any changes he proposes as an professional in the areas of Thalochi in the map based on valid arguments Maria0333 (talk) 06:23, 20 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. This map looks like a nice piece of work. However, examination of the map and its usage indicates that someone is using Commons as a venue for publishing their own original research, then is citing Commons as a content source for an encyclopedia article. That is an inappropriate use of Commons. --Orlady (talk) 19:52, 20 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Own work is not discouraged on Wiki Commons if it is not proved as wrong representation. Any one is invited to pin point any wrong representation on my uploaded map. Khalid Mehmood has also up loaded a similar map and I think he appears to me from same profession of linguistics. I hope to see his fresh comments when he logs in after his break from WP. Maria0333 (talk) 20:06, 20 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Seriously i am very confused that how I describe all of you that I have not created a New mobile technology or new formula or new painting. Because unfortunately there is no published map on the subject. I have just given a shape of all dialects agreed by all known linguists in to a map. Only map already available (File:Dialects Of Punjabi.jpg) on WP which was uploaded by Khalid Mehmood WP user, which was based on 1900,s position so I just made it as per modern linguist work specially of CARDONA. I am surprised that no one objected on Khalid Mehmood map uploaded in 2010 for 3 years on the same grounds of Self publishing and just for sake of an unknown ego they are making my Map controversial with out any professional discussion on its accuracy. That is the best case of discrimination. Unfortunately every one is just playing with words and with out any professional objectivity. Every thing in the world revolves around objectivity and it over rides Rules, every time they both compete the end result is modification of rules to accommodate the logic. Maria0333 (talk) 08:59, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
uN FORTUNATELY I have been discussing with users who appears to me not from A linguist back round. So making life easy for you all, You vote here on the basis of a single and most recent source of my map which is a latest research in 2007, Book named 'The Indo-Aryan Languages' by George Cardona and Dhanesh Jain. up loader of first map on punjabi dialects as his own work Mr. Khalid Mehmood has requested deletion with out a reason as to where it is wrong although I have explained him that his uploaded image was as per Sir Garrison 1919 positions and my work is as per latest linguistic research post Irrigation colonization, Indo pak partition and Recent cultivation of Thal and Choolistan deserts.Maria0333 (talk) 09:14, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
As I have commented on your talk page at EN Wikipedia, on page 639 of that book there is a map of the dialects. It has some broad similarities to your map, but it has far less detail and there are noteworthy discrepancies with your map -- in particular, your map shows more dialects than the published map and it does not include some of the principal dialects that are described (and mapped) in the book. --Orlady (talk) 16:36, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

References

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  4. http://books.google.fr/books?id=C9MPCd6mO6sC&printsec=frontcover&hl=fr&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
  5. Dulai, Narinder K. 1989. A Pedagogical Grammar of Punjabi. Patiala: Indian Institute of Language Studies.
  6. Gill, Harjeet Singh Gill and Henry A. Gleason, Jr: A Reference Grammar of Punjabi: Patiala University Press
  7. Koul, Omkar N. and Madhu Bala :Punjabi Language and Linguistics: An Annotated Bibliography: New Delhi: Indian Institute of Language Studies
  8. Malik, Amar Nath,: 1995 : The Phonology and Morphology of Panjabi: New Delhi: Munshiram Manoharlal Publishers
  9. http://dsal.uchicago.edu/books/lsi/lsi.php?volume=8-1&pages=600#page/8/mode/1up
  10. Grierson 1920
  11. Masica 1991:25
  12. Burling 1970:chapter on India
  13. Shackle 1970:240

 Comment As a longer comment, I am going to add it separately before I close the DR as kept. Works of fiction and non-fiction can be hosted at Commons. It is not the purpose of Commons to make the decision of the wikipedias whether an uploaded file is accurate as of today 2013. If a work is inaccurate, that should be noted on the talk page of the image, and the corresponding decision of whether to use the work is made and documented at the Wikipedias. If a work is inaccurately named, and the request a rename. If a work is based on a specific work, then that should be noted in the description of the file. A deletion request is not the place for your political arguments.  — billinghurst sDrewth 02:48, 22 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]


Kept: File within scope. Accuracy is determined and note on the file; use is prescribed by the WPs, not here.  — billinghurst sDrewth 02:49, 22 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Added by a user with multiple accounts, pushing POV maps and subsquently blocked. No confidence in own work of this map, none of this user's maps were even similar. Ellin Beltz (talk) 20:58, 15 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]


Deleted: per nomination --Krd 07:17, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]