Commons:Deletion requests/File:Flag of the Osage Nation.svg

This file was initially tagged by Intervex as Dw no source since (dw no source since)

This should be discussed since multiple Wikipedias use it. Abzeronow (talk) 01:05, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Right, so I can't find a source for this flag being freely licensed. The sourcing I've found about the seal in the middle of the flag is that it was created in 1957 [1] and its author died in 2019 [2]. If anybody can find evidence of a free license that'd be welcome, as I haven't had any luck. I'm unfortunately getting the sense this flag will have to be transferred to Wikipedia with a nonfree use justification. Intervex (talk) 01:22, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Works published in the United States in 1957 needed to be published with a copyright notice and renewed in 1984 or 1985 to still be in copyright. Abzeronow (talk) 01:27, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately I have had no success trying to track down when the flag was made, only when the seal used in the flag was made. I do not know if the seal was published with a copyright notice. Intervex (talk) 01:31, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If this is deleted, we could reupload it to the English Wikipedia. Deal? SpinnerLaserzthe2nd (talk) 20:11, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

•  Keep License changed to PD-EdictGov. Dmartin969 (talk) 03:45, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • A flag is not an edict of government, and in the US, non-federal government works such as those from the Osage Nation can be copyrighted. As said above, it can be public domain for other reasons. Abzeronow (talk) 18:19, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Assuming the copyright *of the seal* was not renewed, am I correct that the *seal* would be {{PD-US-not renewed}}? Based on this assumption, my understanding is the *flag* would be below TOO as its only complex visual element is the seal (so {{PD-inelegible}} or similar). But: How can we be sure the seal was not renewed? I have searched the US copyright office database for Osage and renewals and did not see anything, but my understanding is that a lack of a record in their online system does not mean a lack of copyright. Intervex (talk) 20:14, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

     Keep. This village pump discussion about the Navajo flag gave me a sense that "published with notice" was pretty strict in the US. User Carl Lindberg writes: "even a copyright notice on a book's dust cover was not sufficient to cover the book, since it was removable.". A seal seems easier to have kept under copyright than a flag, so I'm still not 100% sure keep is the right move. But I think without clear evidence the seal was kept under copyright, it's fair for us to assume it went into PD, and hence the flag is also PD. Intervex (talk) 01:07, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Comment To consolidate discussion, I think File:Osage seal.png should also be discussed here, because the Osage flag's copyright status depends on the copyright status of the seal. Intervex (talk) 01:57, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]