Commons:Deletion requests/File:1953 Vicksburg tornado damage Flood Wall Mural.jpg

Per the source, this mural was painted in 2006. We have no evidence that the artist has abandoned their copyright or licensed it under a free license. Rlandmann (talk) 21:24, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Closing admins should familiarise themselves with the evidence and discussions at this RfC when closing this request.

•  Keep — This image came from this National Weather Service webpage. At the bottom of the webpage is a disclaimer button. Per that disclaimer, “The information on National Weather Service Web servers and Web sites is in the public domain, unless specifically annotated otherwise, and may be used freely by the public.” The caption of the image is: “Several panels of the flood wall along the Yazoo River at downtown Vicksburg are decorated with historical scenes from Vicksburg's past. One of these panels is themed "The 1953 Vicksburg Tornado" and was sponsored by the Pat Cashman family and dedicated in April 2006. The mural depicts the devastation in the downtown area and commemorates the Pulitzer Prize-winning work of the Vicksburg Sunday Post-Herald. The Vicksburg floodwall murals can be seen along Levee Street between Clay Street and Grove Street on the Vicksburg riverfront.” There is no copyright statements or indicators of a clear “specifically annotated otherwise”.

For the clause of “specifically annotated otherwise”, NWS either allows the user to add a copyright “©” watermark to the image {as seen in this image, hosted on this NWS webpage} or by directly adding a copyright statement using “©” {as seen on this NWS webpage: difference between the “Tornado Photos” and “Damage” tabs}. That disclaimer is linked at the bottom of all three of the NWS webpages linked above (this image’s webpage + 2 I used as examples). To me, “specifically annotated otherwise” indicates a direct copyright (©) statement or watermark. For that reason, I support keeping this image as it is in the public domain. WeatherWriter (talk) 21:52, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Even if the image were in the Public Domain (which we have no evidence for; a general disclaimer does not and cannot furnish such evidence), then the mural inside the image certainly is not (unless we can find evidence to the contrary.) This is reallyfundamental to any understanding of copyright and licensing and why, for example, nobody can take a photo of a film poster in a cinema lobby, then publish it on posters or T-shirts. --Rlandmann (talk) 03:44, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

...so you're talking about the mural. ChessEric (talk) 03:47, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Are you talking about the photo or the mural? ChessEric (talk) 01:16, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is the correct distinction; the image itself and the mural inside the image are subject to separate copyright considerations. --Rlandmann (talk) 03:45, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So basically, just to make sure I'm understanding, you're saying that the problem is not necessarily the photo, but the mural in the photo. ChessEric (talk) 03:50, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes! That's correct. The photo itself might or might not be in the Public Domain, but for the purposes of the Commons, that's irrelevant because it's a photograph of a piece of art that's protected by copyright. This particular question has come up often enough that there's an FAQ entry about it at COM:MURALS. --Rlandmann (talk) 04:25, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well...I hate to say this as the uploader of this file, but  Delete. ChessEric (talk) 05:59, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Strong Delete as murals do not qualify under freedom of panorama. 🌀 Hurricane Clyde 🌀 (talk) 22:53, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn’t matter whether or not the photo itself is in the public domain. The mural likely is not. Here is an example of the principle here: let’s say that I take a picture of a poster of the recent Twisters movie; and I release that picture into the public domain. The picture I took might be in the public domain; but the poster in the picture is still copyrighted. And for our purposes, would not be suitable for inclusion here. 🌀 Hurricane Clyde 🌀 (talk) 22:56, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: we need VRT permission from the copyright holder of the mural. --Abzeronow (talk) 18:52, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]