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The usability beta has been tried out by over 570,000 users across all Wikimedia projects and roughly 80% of those beta users continue using it. See more stats about the beta analysis here. As for Commons, about 7,500 users tried out the beta as of end of February and 86% of users are still using it. The usability team is planning to roll out the current beta interface including the new toolbar as the default interface in April and May; please refer to WMF blog and the tech blog for more details.

As the acceptance rate of the beta by Commons users is relatively high, we would like to make the switch for Commons at first in the second week of April. In order to facilitate the transition and to avoid critical issues, we would like to ask as many of you as possible to try Beta before that date, so that most issues are discovered and fixed before we go default. You can opt-in via the 'Try Beta' link at the top of your interface.

We appreciate that Commons heavily relies on custom user scripts and site-specific JavaScript; Our changes are not especially related to multimedia usability, but we need your help to make sure the most used tools are compatible with the new interface. If you encounter issues using the beta, please share your feedback on the dedicated page.

Many thanks in advance.--Shuhari(Naoko Komura @ WMF) (talk) 03:27, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I stopped using the new interface on Commons and de.wikipedia.org since one click more is needed to reach admin functions. Or did I miss something? --Polarlys (talk) 11:56, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I had the same experience as Polarlys. Killiondude (talk) 16:44, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Although admin tasks are not visible at the first sight on the new tab layout, you can select them by hovering over your cursor to the drop down arrow (caret). It does not require another step or a click to get to the admin tasks. We would like to work with the developers or script writers to makesure that site-specific Java Script is compatible with the new interface we are introducing so that you can customize the tabs to meet your needs. --Shuhari (talk) 19:06, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have to say, I tried Beta for the first time, but quit like two minutes later because I couldn't find those links. Now that I know where they are, I still prefer working with Monobook, because (despite what you say) it's quicker to reach those tabs (Tineye, Delete and Log, mostly). I wish there was a way of selecting which tabs we want directly on top of the page, and which ones we want hidden away (is there?) –Tryphon^☂ 10:19, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

„Hovering the cursor“ is nothing for power users (as needed here, see our backlogs). Don’t forger us sysops when implementing a nice looking interface for the average or unexperienced user. All it all we need tools within the software to make our work faster and without the need to implement our own tools to do so. Give us shortcuts for or some floater with generic reasons for deletion to click on instead of deletion tabs and drop-down menus. Regards, --Polarlys (talk) 12:05, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that admin shortcuts need to be supported for Vector. Let us make sure that the shortcuts are working for Vector. The bug is filed. --Shuhari (talk) 01:48, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

What does your statistic say about admins? The new interface should also be capable of viewing, tagging and deleting files as fast as possible (independent from all these scrips we use today). I never had the feeling that it is too difficult to upload files here. It’s more difficult to get rid of them ;-) Regards, --Polarlys (talk) 17:02, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That's what the Multimedia usability project is about. The new interface was mainly to improve the editing experience for newcomers. Improvements are in the works for multimedia participation, and I want to facilitate the work of both newcomers and power users. It definitely is difficult to upload files -- believe me, or review our research. But we don't want to forget users who review the incoming files either. We just need a little more time. guillom 02:34, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Next to the star tab, there's a tab with an arrow. Make a mouse-over over it, and you'll find the delete and protect buttons. --The Evil IP address (talk) 17:14, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I know. And it works like this: Point. Click. Click. Choose. Click. Click to close the tab. :-( --Polarlys (talk) 12:05, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

We didn't conduct the beta survey targeted just only for Admins. So the beta survey results are from all different user class. The focus of the usability project was targeted for novice users, and we haven't reached out to admins much. Our wish is at least not to interfere the work you do, and improve the user experience for admins in the future. --Shuhari (talk) 01:49, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Monobook forever! No, vector looks nice, and is probably better for the casual editor, but I don't see many heavy or technically-minded editors liking the reduced access to their tools. I want more tabs, not menus. Rocket000 (talk) 20:59, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Amen to that! –Tryphon^☂ 12:48, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• The Vector-skin has been my default since the first day I saw it. Though there are fix I am annoyed by, so far I've either fixed that by a client side script or just left it be. Overall I think it's an improvement. A few things I disliked the most:

- Unused whitespace in the header ; Fixed by #page-base{height:3.6em} #left-navigation{top:1.1em} #right-navigation{margin-top:1.1em}

- Big-screen unfriendly ; Though the default right-tabs (View, Edit, History) jump into the dropdown when the window becomes too narrow. The advanced tabs (Move, Delete, TinEye etc.) do not jump out of the dropdown when the window is wide enough for this. I really like the system of the dropdown. But in my opinion it is mandatory that it works both ways for the sake of unused screenspace and to not have to hover first (because we cant see what's in it untill we hover + .. why not if there's room enough?)

A few things I liked most:

- White background color ; Not yellow, pink etc. But clean white everywhere.

- jQuery loaded ; Enables making nifty little scripts in no-time. Though I'd be nice if it were loaded on every page by default and, unless other libraries are loaded, the $-variable could be used (without need for setting $=jQuery)

- Choosen theme ; I prefer the current vector roll out (Not collapsible left menu's or a different color scheme)

- Searchbar ; Logical, top right

Greetozz., –Krinkle^talk 13:12, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Jump out menu is a groovy idea. It is some thing to reflect on. --Shuhari (talk) 01:48, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'll also be staying with Monobook due to the reasons Polarlys outlined. Vector is not particularly admin-friendly. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 14:16, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Also there are lots of scripts for the monobook skin. There probably will be just as many for the vector skin, but that will take a bit of time. Until then I see no reason to change my skin. Regards, -- ChrisiPK (Talk|Contribs) 14:29, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well, Naoko's message is precisely aimed to give a heads-up to the people able to make sure the scripts are compatible with both Monobook and Vector, so that when Vector becomes the default skin, the scripts continue to work. guillom 15:44, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

AFAIK, all usual Monobook and Gadget scripts work the same on Vector. The last know script which didn't work was the hiding of the FirstHeading on the Main Page, but after the creation of MediaWiki:MainPages.css, it seems to work now. --The Evil IP address (talk) 13:36, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I switched back from vector to monobook after I could not figure out how to customize the toolbar on top of the edit window, the way I am used to (see User:Jarekt/monobook.js). --Jarekt (talk) 15:42, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

@Jarekt: The way those buttons are inserted is no different in Vector. I copied the contents of User:Jarekt/vector.js to my own and confirmed that it works fine (I'm using Vector too). You might have had a cache issue, or there is a conflict with another script you're using. –Krinkle^talk 16:00, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

•  Question: Has the skin already be changed to Vector? I can't say it, because I use Vector all the time. --The Evil IP address (talk) 16:11, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Preferences still read "MonoBook (default)", so I presume not. –Krinkle^talk 16:29, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I added {{Rename}} to this file over a month ago. Can anyone handle this please? Crazy Ivan (talk) 16:06, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

OK It's now File:Chuck Eidson.jpg -- Reinhard Kraasch (talk) 17:58, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. Crazy Ivan (talk) 22:51, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there,

several local wikipedia projects introduced "draft versions" of edits, which have to be marked "sighted" or "patrolled". Within several projects I got local rights to do this, in de-WP and pl-WP it's called "editor", in hu-WP "trusted" and in no-WP "autopatrolled". Is there a possibility to apply for global rights to mark edits ok?

You might know, that I don't mess around, I just try to keep the in order ... axp_de^Hello! 08:12, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The right place to ask might be meta not commons. --Schlurcher (talk) 09:16, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In short, there is no such global right. In fact, many of the projects aren't set up with patrolled edits. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 13:00, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I asume you mean flagged revisions instead of patrolled edits. –Krinkle^talk 00:08, 4 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

For having your edits marked as patrolled see COM:RFR Gnangarra 01:11, 4 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please could someone upload the new version of File:Max_und_Moritz.JPG. I cropped it (to remove the border) and uploaded it here: http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/6157/maxundmoritz2.jpg I can't do it myself because the File is protected by User:Bdk/de/images0 because the image is on de:Wikipedia:Hauptseite (Main Page). That's also the reason why I do not want to wait till it is unprotected. Cheers --Saibo (Δ) 22:55, 3 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

 Done –Krinkle^talk 00:06, 4 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Seriously, has anybody seen to where the check-usage function/tab is gone? If I remember right, it did work yesterday evening and early this morning, but no more, as the tab has disappeared. --Túrelio (talk) 18:36, 4 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It was removed from MediaWiki:Extra-tabs.js [1], maybe it's really redundant but I somehow dont trust GlobalUsage with all those toolservers lags (or is it working on live server?), besides what I really miss is Checkusage local duplicate show --Justass (talk) 18:48, 4 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

GlobalUsage is independent from the Toolserver, which is exactly the reason why it's installed here. We shouldn't be dependent on the Toolserver to check where a file is used. --The Evil IP address (talk) 18:58, 4 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I believe the question is not if the button reads Check usage or Global usage. The question is, is the button there at all. I would like to keep the button on top, since scrolling all the way down to View more global usage of this file. is not user friendly. About 2 hours before you deleted it from Extra-tabs.js I swapped Check-usage for Global-usage. I suggest not deleting it everywhere without discussion first, I therefor reverted the removal of Global-usage in Extra-tabs for now.
See also Commons:Bots/Work_requests#Change_Checkusage_to_Globalusage. –Krinkle^talk 22:20, 4 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't sure if GlobalUsage is always up to date. I'd like to know how long the time lag between edits in local wiki and GlobalUsage. Regards. – Kwj2772 (msg) 13:32, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please see MediaWiki talk:Vector.css/rtl. Without it vector skin isn't working in RTL languages. ערן (talk) 12:12, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

 Done, thanks for fixing the upcoming Vector skin. --The Evil IP address (talk) 13:32, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This user has uploaded a lot of images that appear to be copyvios (e.g. most of the Glee cast from [2]). I'm on a crappy 115.2bps EDGE connection for most of today so it'd take me ages to go through and figure out if there are any valid images. Can someone please have a look through and take any appropriate actions? Stifle (talk) 12:26, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi fellow Administrators,

As you've probably noticed, since almost a month now Commons has the ability to mark any edit as patrolled (See here if you missed it). That enables us to keep track of anonymous edits in a systematic way and organise what is and is not checked and thuss fight vandalism in a fairly effective way (See COM:ANON for that). To know more about patrolling see the updated COM:PATROL.

But to the reason why I'm posting here in the Administrators' noticeboard; Every admin has the patroller right. So next time you block a user for vandalising Commons, and checking the other edits of the user please click [mark as patrolled] while there as this saves the vandal-watchers a lot of wasted time patrolling already checked edits (in an already big checklist of anonymous edits).

Ofcourse that doesn't only apply to checking edits of blocked vandals, just in general. Whenever you're on a diff-page, mark it as patrolled. Both when it's a bad edit or a good edit. Good edits can be checked and go off the checklist automaticly, bad edits can be checked and then acted upon (ie. reverting). Ofcourse, when you dont intent to revert the edit or take action, leave it unpatrolled.

Anyhow, thanks in advance. If you have any questions feel free to leave a note on the CVU-talkpage or on my talk, –Krinkle^talk 12:32, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As announced last week, Commons will have new user interface as of 7am 6am UTC on April 6. --Shuhari (talk) 20:54, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Corrected the time above, should be 06:00 UTC, not 07:00. --Catrope (talk) 21:04, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, during my patrolling labors I found an image of Frank15 (talk · contribs) which doesn't have any source or Author information, checking user contributions I found that all images uploaded by the user don't have source/author. Also in the summary of his first upload we can see: "[...]Source=panoramio.com [...]". So, what do you think? Best regards --by Màñü飆¹5 ^talk 03:18, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've tracked down the sources of several of his uploads (=copyvios). But there is still work to be done. --Túrelio (talk) 06:35, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

File:Flag of the Netherlands.svg is upside down. The page is protected. Can an admin revert this "joke"? /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 07:31, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It wasn't a joke. I'm sure it was a harmless mistake as zscout stated he was trying to simplify the code, but thanks for thinking the best of people! I've reverted for now. Killiondude (talk) 07:36, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Why call this "harmless"? Admins should not fool around with protected images, that are difficult to revert. There is also a ridiculous effort to "simplify the code" in File:Flag of Libya.svg. Please go play with less widely used images. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 07:40, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Seriously. ¦ Reisio (talk) 09:07, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]